Itβs victim-blaming at its worst. Last week, Father Benedict Groeschel, a fairly prominent religious figure who is, among other things, the director of the Office for Spiritual Development for the Catholic Archdiocese of New York, said some utterly appalling things about the victims of sexual abuse by priests.
In an interview with the National Catholic Register, Groeschel declared that some of the victims were likely βseducers,β and expressed sympathy for βpoorβ Jerry Sandusky, and suggested that abusers βon their first offense β¦ should not go to jail because their intention was not committing a crime.β
After the comments spurred outrage, the NC Register took down the interview. Here are the relevant sections, which I found reposted by an appalled columnist on the right-wing RenewAmerica site.Β The whole thing is awful; Iβve highlighted some of the worst parts.
[Interviewer]: Part of your work here at Trinity has been working with priests involved in abuse, no?
[Father Groeschel]: A little bit, yes; but you know, in those cases, they have to leave. And some of them profoundly β profoundly β penitential, horrified. People have this picture in their minds of a person planning to β a psychopath. But that’s not the case. Suppose you have a man having a nervous breakdown, and a youngster comes after him. A lot of the cases, the youngster β 14, 16, 18 β is the seducer.
[Interviewer]: Why would that be?
[Father Greoschel]: Well, it’s not so hard to see β a kid looking for a father and didn’t have his own β and they won’t be planning to get into heavy-duty sex, but almost romantic, embracing, kissing, perhaps sleeping but not having intercourse or anything like that.
It’s an understandable thing, and you know where you find it, among other clergy or important people; you look at teachers, attorneys, judges, social workers. Generally, if they get involved, it’s heterosexually, and if it’s a priest, he leaves and gets married β that’s the usual thing β and gets a dispensation. A lot of priests leave quickly, get civilly married and then apply for the dispensation, which takes about three years.
But there are the relatively rare cases where a priest is involved in a homosexual way with a minor. I think the statistic I read recently in a secular psychology review was about 2%. Would that be true of other clergy? Would it be true of doctors, lawyers, coaches?
Here’s this poor guy β [Penn State football coach Jerry] Sandusky β it went on for years. Interesting: this poor guy β [Penn State football coach Jerry] Sandusky Why didn’t anyone say anything? Apparently, a number of kids knew about it and didn’t break the ice. Well, you know, until recent years, people did not register in their minds that it was a crime. It was a moral failure, scandalous; but they didn’t think of it in terms of legal things.
If you go back 10 or 15 years ago with different sexual difficulties β except for rape or violence β it was very rarely brought as a civil crime. Nobody thought of it that way. Sometimes statutory rape would be β but only if the girl pushed her case. Parents wouldn’t touch it. People backed off, for years, on sexual cases. I’m not sure why.
I think perhaps part of the reason would be an embarrassment, that it brings the case out into the open, and the girl’s name is there, or people will figure out what’s there, or the youngster involved β you know, it’s not put in the paper, but everybody knows; they’re talking about it.
At this point, (when) any priest, any clergyman, any social worker, any teacher, any responsible person in society would become involved in a single sexual act β not necessarily intercourse β they’re done. And I’m inclined to think, on their first offense, they should not go to jail because their intention was not committing a crime.
In the place where the interview originally ran, the National Catholic Register posted apologies from the paperβs editor-in-chief, the The Community of the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal, and Groeschel himself. The statement from the Friars was at best a half-apology, and offered this βexcuseβ for his comments:
About seven years ago Fr. Benedict was struck by a car and was in a coma for over a month. In recent months his health, memory and cognitive ability have been failing. He has been in and out of the hospital. Due to his declining health and inability to care for himself, Fr. Benedict had moved to a location where he could rest and be relieved of his responsibilities. Although these factors do not excuse his comments, they help us understand how such a compassionate man could have said something so wrong, so insensitive, and so out of character.
Iβm pretty sure getting hit by a car doesnβt make you think that victims of sexual abuse are the ones responsible for that abuse. It doesnβt put that attitude in your head, though it might make you think itβs acceptable to say such things out loud in an interview.
And if Groeschel is indeed so cognitively impaired that he can’t be held fully accountable for the words coming out of his mouth, why was he giving interviews to the press in the first place? How was he still capable of running the Office for Spiritual Development for the Catholic Archdiocese of New York? And why did the editors of the NC Register publish the comments without challenge in the first place? Β Presumably none of them have been recently hit by a car.
In their apology, the Friars also said:
He never intended to excuse abuse or implicate the victims.
Really? How exactly is suggesting that 14 year old boys are βseducersβ preying on the weaknesses of old men NOT intended to βexcuse abuse [and] implicate the victims?β
They also say:
We hope that these unfortunate statements will not overshadow the great good Fr. Benedict has done in housing countless homeless people, feeding innumerable poor families, and bringing healing, peace and encouragement to so many.
They might as well have replaced their entire βapologyβ with this sentence, which reflects what seems to be their main concern here β that is, Groeschel looking bad, and making them look bad.
@BigKitty
“(Owly and lots of his icky MRA buddies think βephebophiliaβ is a thing, but it is NOT A THING. Too young to be able to consent to adult sex is exactly the same thing, whether the child victim is 4 or 14; the molestorβs methods might differ, but the evil doesnβt.)”
And gays are 5,000% to 10,000% more likely to commit that evil. Feminists support, endorse and encourage that sickness. Good for you.
Lying again, eh, rustbucket?
Says the guy who has discussed the sexuality of 14 year old girls several times right here on this fucking blog. Let’s also ignore that whole messy Reddit child-porn problem, too. Yup, only gays.
Bullshit, Steele. Citation needed.
I’m sorry? Feminist spaces such as Boobzland – as I’ve repeatedly stated – make a hobby out of laughing at men’s issues and denying misandry; this naturally has the (intended) effect of trivializing male victims. And since most of the victims of pedophile priests have been male – for a variety of reasons – this issue has been gendered male as a whole.
Yes in point of fact, Boobzland is a little fish in a big pond; nonetheless, more influential voices – such as the second-wave feminists who control the mainstream American media – echo your vile sentiments, sending shock waves through the mainstream culture.
Also, FINALLY! It only took a full day for Etna to show up on my avatar.
Steele, get a dictionary and look up the word “citation.”
cloudiah – instead of vile, I’d go with “abhorrent” at the moment. Ugh.
Steele, thanks for confirming your original post was total bullshit.
Steele, excuse me? What has the Bowel Movement been fighting against?
BTW, Steele, did you see that you, personally, are the subject of concentrated mockery right here?
OT, but I haven’t been around for a while, and I note that everybody has a new kitty avatar! Could somebody please show me how to get one of my own? thanks!
What has the Bowel Movement been fighting against?
Constipation, duh. π
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Shade, then that’s a losing battle. Exhibit A: everything Steele writes.
Shade, you ninja’d me, you jester’s fool! π
And drst, yeah, abhorrent is probably the right word. Seriously, I have been watching kitten videos non-stop since reading the original post.
cloudiah: I think it was by just like a millisecond too. π *Evil kitty cackle*
@ Steele,
Um, no. We don’t trivialize men’s issues here. We trivialize the misogyny that the MRM paints as men’s issues. I think the regulars here would agree that the patriarchy hurts men who don’t conform to its ideals. For the most part, we care about the actual problems men face, not the misogyny the MRM dresses up in the language of addressing men’s problems.
Remember when Ruby said that prison rape was funny? I do. I also remember that just about everyone else here condemned her comments.
Ozy comments here fairly regularly. Don’t they help run No, Seriously, What About Teh Menz? I suppose that they help run a blog specifically dealing with the issues men face simply because they like laughing at men’s issues?
The media is controlled by second-wave feminists?
Such as . . .?
Tell me, who are these second-wave feminists who control the mainstream American media? I’d really like to know.
And, no, linking to one of your Antimanboobz posts where you rail against this cabal of second-wave feminists controlling the American mainstream media doesn’t help. You absolutely failed to provide examples, citations, or evidence of any sort there as well.
Oh great, the child rape advocate NWO is here, with his buddy Steele/Varpole/Butthorn who cuddles up to child rape advocates.
The Movement is totally all about social justice, if by social justice you mean raping kids.
So, hey, let’s say that I killed someone in a fit of rage, but it wasn’t a planned murder. It’s not like I set out to commit a crime. So I shouldn’t go to jail, right?
Except people don’t pull this weasely, disingenuous shit with any crime except rape.
And yeah, ephebophilia and pedophilia are exclusively gay things, which internet forums like r/jailbait and r/preteens exist on Reddit.
Steele, honey, darling, sweetheart, idiot, one of those, if you want to make a claim, you’re going to have to back it up. If you believe:
Then you’re just going to have to go ahead and come up with an example of “the Movement” fighting against it.
Go ahead. ONE EXAMPLE.
I find it enormously amusing that you refer to “the Movement” as “we,” even though as far as I can tell you’ve been ignored by every MRA you’ve ever tried to buddy up to. (Hey, remember that time you were going to contact “prominent MRAs” to warn them that Tom Martin was a feminist plant? How’d that go? Did you have to send out followup emails hastily retracting your accusations after you decided you wanted to be Martin’s best friend?)
At this point Steele’s version of The Movement seems to consist of…Steele. He’s excommunicated everyone else. He is a Movement of one.
So…is it just me, or do Owly’s posts seem set up in such away as their astoundingly easy to knock down? Like, each sentence seems perfectly crafted to be a strong concentration of bullshit.
When I read this, aside from being shocked at the victim blaming, I had a thought: even if a 14 year old gets the idea into their head to seduce an adult, isn’t it the adult’s RESPONSIBILITY as a legal adult to do the refusing? I mean, sorry…a kid coming on to Sandusky doesn’t suddenly make his responsibility disappear. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.
I don’t believe for an instant that anyone, other than Sandusky himself, is responsible for the rape and molestation. But the “14 year old seducer” bull-puckey isn’t a defense, either. I really, REALLY hope those kids didn’t run across this. The last thing a suffering kid needs is someone merrily tromping through their misery setting up “You’re WRONG!” signs.
God help those kids, their families, and hell…their therapists too. All of ’em have a long slog ahead of them and I wish them the best of luck and a path free of victim blaming ass-hats who are only serving to destroy the work they’re trying to do.