It’s victim-blaming at its worst. Last week, Father Benedict Groeschel, a fairly prominent religious figure who is, among other things, the director of the Office for Spiritual Development for the Catholic Archdiocese of New York, said some utterly appalling things about the victims of sexual abuse by priests.
In an interview with the National Catholic Register, Groeschel declared that some of the victims were likely “seducers,” and expressed sympathy for ”poor” Jerry Sandusky, and suggested that abusers “on their first offense … should not go to jail because their intention was not committing a crime.”
After the comments spurred outrage, the NC Register took down the interview. Here are the relevant sections, which I found reposted by an appalled columnist on the right-wing RenewAmerica site. The whole thing is awful; I’ve highlighted some of the worst parts.
[Interviewer]: Part of your work here at Trinity has been working with priests involved in abuse, no?
[Father Groeschel]: A little bit, yes; but you know, in those cases, they have to leave. And some of them profoundly — profoundly — penitential, horrified. People have this picture in their minds of a person planning to — a psychopath. But that’s not the case. Suppose you have a man having a nervous breakdown, and a youngster comes after him. A lot of the cases, the youngster — 14, 16, 18 — is the seducer.
[Interviewer]: Why would that be?
[Father Greoschel]: Well, it’s not so hard to see — a kid looking for a father and didn’t have his own — and they won’t be planning to get into heavy-duty sex, but almost romantic, embracing, kissing, perhaps sleeping but not having intercourse or anything like that.
It’s an understandable thing, and you know where you find it, among other clergy or important people; you look at teachers, attorneys, judges, social workers. Generally, if they get involved, it’s heterosexually, and if it’s a priest, he leaves and gets married — that’s the usual thing — and gets a dispensation. A lot of priests leave quickly, get civilly married and then apply for the dispensation, which takes about three years.
But there are the relatively rare cases where a priest is involved in a homosexual way with a minor. I think the statistic I read recently in a secular psychology review was about 2%. Would that be true of other clergy? Would it be true of doctors, lawyers, coaches?
Here’s this poor guy — [Penn State football coach Jerry] Sandusky — it went on for years. Interesting: this poor guy — [Penn State football coach Jerry] Sandusky Why didn’t anyone say anything? Apparently, a number of kids knew about it and didn’t break the ice. Well, you know, until recent years, people did not register in their minds that it was a crime. It was a moral failure, scandalous; but they didn’t think of it in terms of legal things.
If you go back 10 or 15 years ago with different sexual difficulties — except for rape or violence — it was very rarely brought as a civil crime. Nobody thought of it that way. Sometimes statutory rape would be — but only if the girl pushed her case. Parents wouldn’t touch it. People backed off, for years, on sexual cases. I’m not sure why.
I think perhaps part of the reason would be an embarrassment, that it brings the case out into the open, and the girl’s name is there, or people will figure out what’s there, or the youngster involved — you know, it’s not put in the paper, but everybody knows; they’re talking about it.
At this point, (when) any priest, any clergyman, any social worker, any teacher, any responsible person in society would become involved in a single sexual act — not necessarily intercourse — they’re done. And I’m inclined to think, on their first offense, they should not go to jail because their intention was not committing a crime.
In the place where the interview originally ran, the National Catholic Register posted apologies from the paper’s editor-in-chief, the The Community of the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal, and Groeschel himself. The statement from the Friars was at best a half-apology, and offered this “excuse” for his comments:
About seven years ago Fr. Benedict was struck by a car and was in a coma for over a month. In recent months his health, memory and cognitive ability have been failing. He has been in and out of the hospital. Due to his declining health and inability to care for himself, Fr. Benedict had moved to a location where he could rest and be relieved of his responsibilities. Although these factors do not excuse his comments, they help us understand how such a compassionate man could have said something so wrong, so insensitive, and so out of character.
I’m pretty sure getting hit by a car doesn’t make you think that victims of sexual abuse are the ones responsible for that abuse. It doesn’t put that attitude in your head, though it might make you think it’s acceptable to say such things out loud in an interview.
And if Groeschel is indeed so cognitively impaired that he can’t be held fully accountable for the words coming out of his mouth, why was he giving interviews to the press in the first place? How was he still capable of running the Office for Spiritual Development for the Catholic Archdiocese of New York? And why did the editors of the NC Register publish the comments without challenge in the first place? Presumably none of them have been recently hit by a car.
In their apology, the Friars also said:
He never intended to excuse abuse or implicate the victims.
Really? How exactly is suggesting that 14 year old boys are “seducers” preying on the weaknesses of old men NOT intended to “excuse abuse [and] implicate the victims?”
They also say:
We hope that these unfortunate statements will not overshadow the great good Fr. Benedict has done in housing countless homeless people, feeding innumerable poor families, and bringing healing, peace and encouragement to so many.
They might as well have replaced their entire “apology” with this sentence, which reflects what seems to be their main concern here – that is, Groeschel looking bad, and making them look bad.
Where’s Tommy, I bet he’d like to read this.
Sand cats and sand kittens:
Aww, sand kittens! Many thanks to Wordspinner for brain bleach before anybody even asked. I know I needed it.
I feel so sad that victims of abuse might see that interview and internalize all that blaming… (I don’t mean here, since there are trigger warnings and you point out how TERRIBLE AND WRONG he was to say those things. I wish Steele hadn’t ruined the word vile for us.)
I know I already posted this on another thread, but it is now my “go to” brain bleach. (Sorry you now have to wait through a short commercial for kitty litter.)
A Telegraph picture gallery of inter-species friendships:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthpicturegalleries/6056116/Best-friends-fur-ever-the-worlds-most-unusual-animal-friendships.html?image=0
Hell, if they both have Facebook accounts, they’ll be Friending each other!
Yes and now I feel quite nauseous and for the record I was hit by a car as a kid and have never blamed victims of sexual assault for the crimes committed against them.
Thank you for the kittens. Kittens are good.
The ears on those kittens are like a million times bigger than they are. O.O
Gee, could it possibly be because “spiritual advisers” like this one have been telling children and their parents for years and years that they asked for it?
I think I mentioned before that in an interview with a man who raped a three year old
HE SAID THE SAME SHIT THAT THIS PRIEST JUST DID.
The members of the clergy have been telling rape and incest victims this forever.
Someone in the comments on the Renew America site dug up a thread at Free Republic from 2003 about this guy. The original source is a story in the New Jersy Herald. Seems he was instrumental in getting a pedophile priest reinstated back in the 80s.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/857021/posts
Who knew auto accidents cause pedo enabling years before they happen?
All the more reason to keep gays away from young boys. Since ebophelia and pedastry are the exclusive domain of gays there is only one group to blame. Underage prostitution runs 50/50 boys and girls. Gays make up a miniscule portion of the population, 1 to 2% at the most, which means gays are 5,000% to 10,000% as likely to engage in this vile practice.
Feminists are up in arms about gays not being allowed in the boy scouts. I wonder why? One must conclude that feminists want boys to be molested when the odds are so likely they will be molested by gays.
So only gays molest children of both genders, and feminists want gays in the Boy Scouts so they can molest more boys?
That’s got to be a low point of both stupidity and repulsiveness, even for you.
Yes, NWO, that’s exactly what feminists want. JESUS TITTYFUCKING CHRIST, do you even read what the fuck you type out?
I don’t know who’s worse, this asshole priest or NWO.
Oh for fuck’s sake, an 18-year-old having sex with his (or her) priest is unethical as hell, but it’s not a crime. Talk about straw-victims…
I guess you ought to be believed since you are obviously quite an authority on that subject, evidenced by your lack of even knowing what the actual words are that you are pronouncing as the exclusive domain of gays.
Oh, goodie, the same old homosexuality-and-pedophilia-are-totally-the-exact-same-thing nonsense again. Because some people just can’t be bothered investing in a dictionary, I guess. And because googling an online dictionary would just be to hard.
You’re off to a great start today, Owly. Nice to see that you still don’t understand the concept of consent.
Well, except for the fact that they’re not.
I have no idea whether or not this number is accurate. (In all fairness, I’d be willing to bet that it’s completely and totally wrong, based on your track record with providing accurate statistics alone.) But even if it is accurate, so what?
Many pedophiles will rape/molest whatever child they can get access to, regardless of gender. The fact that these children are often boys doesn’t prove anything.
(Should I point out to Owly that women can be pedophiles too? Or would that make his brain explode?)
Well, not really. It depends on how you count. Are our criteria based on behavior or self-identification? Are we counting only people who call themselves gay? Anyone who has ever had some sort of sexual intercourse with a member of the same sex? Anyone who has ever any sort of sexual/romantic attraction to a member of the same sex? Only people who have never felt any sort of sexual attraction or been in any sort of romantic relationship with a member of the opposite sex?
Human sexuality is complicated. You can’t simply divide people cleanly into the categories of gay and straight. It’s really more like a sliding scale, where you have some people who are completely heterosexual and some people who are completely homosexual, and a lot of people who fall at various points in-between. The number of gay people you find in a population depends on how you define the term.
D’awww. Slavey’s learned that there are percentages out there other than 1%, 99%, and 100%. Unfortunately, he still doesn’t know exactly what those percentages are. And he still doesn’t know how percentages work at all.
Slavey, you are as good at math as Steele is at writing.
In fairness, Father Groeschel is the founder of the Office for Spiritual Development. I don’t know if he’s also its director, but if so, it may be because there’s no one to demote him but himself. It appears from a cursory Google search that most of his roles in Catholic organizations do not involve any actual responsibility at this point, although I could be wrong about that. Still, he was almost certainly being interviewed not because he’s an actively important figure in the Church but because he had (has?) a TV show and has published a bunch of books, and thus is still pretty well-known.
That doesn’t mean anything he said isn’t horrifying, or that it isn’t reflective of attitudes that are all too common among Catholic leadership, but just that I’m not sure the “if he’s really so cognitively impaired, why is he still important in the Church” argument works when the guy in question doesn’t appear to be important in the Church these days so much as “still famous from when he was moderately influential, back before he had a stroke and such.” Groeschel is an asshole and deserves to be pilloried for it, but I’m not sure he’s the best stick with which to beat the Catholic Church at this point. (Now, the fact that he was influential in the first place – that’s a problem.)
How can NWO say that ephephbophe…pedophilia is only about gay men, when he himself has told us many times that he finds fifteen-year-olds in ordinary fifteen-year-old clothing unbearable temptresses?
You guize, I think you’re forgetting that Owly has -1,000,000% the concern for facts and science that most people have (which isn’t even very much to begin with).
There is not enough brain bleach in the universe to make me feel less hideously grossed out by this evil excuse for a Catholic priest. He actually makes me wish I believed in Hell, because I’d feel much better believing he would end up there.
Appalling. This is the kind of attitude that the Movement fights against; we have met significant resistance from feminists.
Bullshit, Steele. Citation needed.
Cliff and Tulgey – um, actually, Owly has complained about the seductive temptations of 8-year-olds in bathing suits. At the beach, with their moms and dads. But he is Very! Very! Concerned! about how gay men might theoretically be pedophiles.
(Or “ephebophiles'” a distinction without a difference, since it’s still about kids. Kids, who at 14 have every right to experiment sexually with other young teens, but ALSO have the right to be protected from the molestation of creepy grownup monsters like Owly.
(Owly and lots of his icky MRA buddies think “ephebophilia” is a thing, but it is NOT A THING. Too young to be able to consent to adult sex is exactly the same thing, whether the child victim is 4 or 14; the molestor’s methods might differ, but the evil doesn’t.)
Oh fuck right off, Steele, you are so full of shit!!