Paul Elam has so far refrained from responding to the halfway-on-the-mark, halfway-completely-ridiculous criticism of the Men’s Rights movement leveled by rapey PUA douchenozzle Roosh that we discussed yesterday. Not even that bit comparing the very serious dudes reading A Voice for Men to silly ladies reading Cosmo was enough to provoke the oh-so-easily provoked Elam. Either he’s gotten very Zen about criticism from PUAs, or he’s spent the last several days punching pillows and muttering under his breath about evil “pussy beggars.”
But some of Elam’s acolytes took it upon themselves to respond for him. My favorite comment is this bait-and-switcher from MrStodern, which starts off with a vaguely reasonable observation before descending into misogynist nonsense.
Apparently feminists love pickup artists, and the only legitimate reason for dudes to have sex with women is to teach them a lesson. Who knew?
Obviously we don’t believe you about that last part, but let’s pretend for a moment that we did. What would your point then be, and how would that anecdote be relevant to David’s description of Roosh as rapey?
Making a remark like that, especially if it had an accompanying smirk, would get a man kicked out of my bed, house and life, immediately. I don’t like smug, entitled arseholes who think they know what I want better than I do, or who imply I’m playing games or lying, or who demonstrate indifference or lack of care or general selfishness lik that. They’re losers.
“like that”
What is it with WordPress changing details between posts???
Partners who refuse to explain what they want in bed then get mad when you can’t mind read aren’t good partners. I have not met many women who want a man to just “take them without asking despite their protests”. You shouldn’t assume women want you to do that even if you have run into a few.
“Obviously we don’t believe you about that last part”
again, your faith in my veracity and/or sincerity is none of my concern.
“What would your point then be, and how would that anecdote be relevant to David’s description of Roosh as rapey?”
as i said, i do not know very much about roosh, and david’s description may be accurate. my stated opinions in this thread constitute my initial reaction to the post david directed me to. i do think that the phenomenon roosh alludes to in his post is a real one, although i think, as i have said, that there are better ways of dealing with it than taking roosh’s advice.
“Making a remark like that, especially if it had an accompanying smirk, would get a man kicked out of my bed, house and life, immediately.”
that is your right and prerogative. what is your point?
I especially loved the attempt to insinuate that anyone who objects to his creepy, disingenuous argument is attempting to deny submissive women agency. We have quite a few submissive women here, and I’m going to guess that what jimmy is describing is not what they’re looking for in a sexual partner.
“I didn’t bother to do any research into this Roosh person, but I strongly felt that David must be wrong about him being rapey, so I had to share my rather creepy theories about how women don’t mean what they say with you.”
What an excellent way to enter a blog conversation! That always goes well.
“What is your point?”
The point is that your smug assertion of how it “works” is disgusting and contemptible, as is your implicit attitude toward women – even without your defence of Roosh.
A dude who, suspiciously, knows a lot of women who get annoyed by talking because it ruins the mood! We haven’t seen that before! (I feel like putting a sarcasm tag here would be insulting 😛 ).
(I mean, that’s not to say they don’t exist, but that they seem to always magical find their way into the friend groups of these guys.. yeah. And I feel like this is a thing that’s been pointed out a million times, but i’m going to do it anyway because i’m feeling.. hardcore).
*magically
(Making an entire new comment just to correct a typo is also hardcore).
Oooh, does that mean I was being hardcore before, Shade? Wow! 😀
But you know, this MRA guy actually has a few valid points:
1. By tricking/manipulating/forcing women to have sex with you when they don’t want to you’re not furthering men’s rights, you just make women pissed off. Point!
2. If you don’t like “gold-digging cunts”, you should avoid them altogether. Point!
3. If you wanna sleep around, you should do it with sexually free spirited women. Now if “sexually free spirited” means “WANTS to sleep with you”, then again, he has a point!
Off topic,
But has anyone seen Antz lately? I’m getting kinda worried about him.
No, but I know what you mean. Of all our regular trolls, he was the one who made me most concerned that he’d do something really stupid in the real world.
@Happy
Didn’t he get banned? I thought he got banned.
He was put on permanent moderation after posting a link to an extremely NSFW picture without any warning. I was one of the unlucky ones who saw it, which is why I don’t propose to remind anyone else of its contents.
But a quick bit of digging has revealed that he posted on Reddit earlier today.
Regarding Mary Kellet, she is rightly being brought before an administrative board regarding her behavior. From what I’ve read on legitimate news sites, she withheld evidence from the defense during discovery. Every prosecutor who abuses their authority needs to be disciplined for it. What Some Guy cannot prove here is that this issue is solely a feminist plot against men. It is part of a much broader spectrum of prosecutors and cops abusing their authority.
We had a prosecutor here in Wisconsin who used his authority to try and pressure crime victims into having sex with him. What’s worse is that the Wisconsin Office of Lawyer Regulation and the Wisconsin Department of Jusice knew about his history but did nothing about it, not until the press got wind of the situation. Then suddenly he was forced to step down.
http://www.thedailypage.com/daily/article.php?article=30614
@new boring troll i can’t be bothered clicking back to get the name of
If someone really wants to have sex with you, but says no because that’s secretly her thing or w/e, and then you proceed to not have sex with her, like a normal non-rapist human being, she may well ask to have sex with you. She might not. Whichever. No need to be paranoid about ruining the moment and end up raping someone on a chance.
Also you’re being a creep; please don’t.
Also, I used to go by icons to recognise people and the kitties are making it really tricky. Whose idea was kittyocalypse?
Lowquacks – but it’s kitties’ role in life to make it tricky for humans!
That is very true. But people are meant to instinctively love kitties, and I’m not sure if that’s happening for me. Mayhap the kitties should be fluffier?
I just really like fluffy kitties is all.
How about this? 😀
Well, I changed mine but it’s not showing up yet.
Well I’m keeping my kitty for at least a while I think. A bunch of viscaria flowers was a little too on-the-nose for an avatar, anyway. Hopefully people start associating me with this new image. 🙂