Paul Elam has so far refrained from responding to the halfway-on-the-mark, halfway-completely-ridiculous criticism of the Men’s Rights movement leveled by rapey PUA douchenozzle Roosh that we discussed yesterday. Not even that bit comparing the very serious dudes reading A Voice for Men to silly ladies reading Cosmo was enough to provoke the oh-so-easily provoked Elam. Either he’s gotten very Zen about criticism from PUAs, or he’s spent the last several days punching pillows and muttering under his breath about evil “pussy beggars.”
But some of Elam’s acolytes took it upon themselves to respond for him. My favorite comment is this bait-and-switcher from MrStodern, which starts off with a vaguely reasonable observation before descending into misogynist nonsense.
Apparently feminists love pickup artists, and the only legitimate reason for dudes to have sex with women is to teach them a lesson. Who knew?
“There? Oh, you’re too kind, Mr. Hiddleston!”
Elam’s response to criticism
@thebionicmommy
Elam: “I’m going to make my own sub-reddit! With blackjack! And hookers! In fact, forget the hookers, they’re probably all feminists!”
@bionicmommy: Frost-ridden Croatia? The one on the Adriatic coast above Greece and opposite Italy? Truly a man of the world, this one.
Y’know I think I’ve spent half a century without even meeting an MRA. I don’t know how I’ve coped, I really don’t.
I was let down when the “refuting” wasn’t done by Paulie himself. I can’t wait for his huffing and puffing on this. There’s no way that man is going to take the high road and ignore it.
How these guys categorize women really confuses me. So there’s ‘gold digging whores’ ‘evil feminists’ ‘sexually free spirits’ ‘good submissive foreign women’…do these categories overlap here? What ‘lesson’ are women supposed to be learning? Don’t…sleep with guys on the first date? Don’t *reject* guys? Don’t work manly jobs, but also don’t be gold-digging? What qualifies as gold-digging anyway? I thought the problem with women was that we *don’t* rely on men for income anymore. HELP ME UNDERSTAND! …ok, I probably don’t want to understand….
‘Elam: “I’m going to make my own sub-reddit! With blackjack! And hookers! In fact, forget the hookers, they’re probably all feminists!”’
That explains a lot. Because isn’t teaching women a ‘lesson’ by refusing to have sex with them somewhat similar? Like a little boy grabbing his toys and stomping off because no one wants to play with him?
two moggles, I’m with you on the confusion about the MRA “categories.” I’m always having fun with all the overlaps I must have on their freaky Venn diagram. On one hand, I’m married, I stay home with my kids, and I take care of all the housework, so I should fall into the “submissive woman” category. However, I’m also a liberal, so I get an overlap with the “evil feminists.” And since I wasn’t hermetically sealed in a glass jar until my wedding day, I guess I’m a “sexually free spirit,” too. And I haven’t worked a nine-to-five job in five years, so I’m also a “gold digging whore.” Fun times!
This reminds me of an episode of Glenn Beck’s show I watched a few years back. At the beginning of the hour he was praising me to the heavens because I had borne a child into this world, which automatically made me pure and noble and concerned with the future of America. After the next commercial break, he was urging all of us spotless women to rise up against the evil progressive wave sweeping this nation – which I guess meant I was supposed to kill myself? Since it was Glenn Beck, who knows.
Hmm, if MRAs want nothing to do with me, I think I can live with that.
MRAs are not alone in wanting nothing to do with you, Ruby.
This reminds me of a Calvin and Hobbes cartoon where Calvin’s up in his treehouse with the GROSS banner, and Suzie walks by, and Calvin yells at her that she can’t join his club because she’s a slimy girl. Suzie replies “Why would I want to spend all day up in a treehouse with you, anyway?” and leaves Calvin, slumped down and depressed as he mutters “Leave it to a girl to take all the fun out of sex discrimination!”
The MRA (and PUA) idea of women is pretty simple in essence – it’s the same old, same old misogynist one that’s been around forever.
If you’re a woman, you’re wrong. Doesn’t matter what you do, what views you hold, you will always be wrong.
@ Cyberbird
I was thinking how well the icon fit because of them both being planet-sized assholes.
Just to re-iterate. Again. Some more.
Yeah thirded or fourthed or whatever it is by now
Ruby actually agreed with me on something today, and it made me seriously question the point I’d originally made. That’s not a good sign, if I’m in any way representative of the way most people here see her.
There are some new people around, so just for the record the hostility towards Ruby stems from some problematic attitudes she has, such as that poor people are to blame for their poverty and that it’s hilarious when male prisoners are raped because they totes deserve it. Also that she never, ever contributes anything useful to the discussion, and is totally defensive when called on her shit. Anyway, this is why we don’t like her.
also she’s said a lot of dumb racist stuff about ‘western civilization’
Remember the comment about how America is superior because of blue jeans? That was quite something.
Oh yeah, that wasn’t meant to be an exhaustive list of Ruby’s problems, just a little teensy slice.
my favorite ruby comment is when she said she didn’t know roads were a government program. because apparently she thinks they just come out of nowhere.
I thought Bain Capital built all the roads and bridges. “We built this.” Isn’t that what they meant?
no they were trying to make it clear they didnt understand what infrastructure is