Men’s Rights Activists, I hate to have to break the news to you, but Roosh V, the rapey pickup guru I’ve been writing about a lot lately, is very disappointed in you and your so-called activism. In a sort-of followup to a post of his from several years back with the self-explanatory title “Men’s Rights Has Become A Euphemism For Sexual Loser,” Roosh lays into the “manginas” of the Men’s Rights movement, which he says isn’t really worthy of the name.
The biggest problem with MRAs is that they are not activists. They are pamphleteers. … They believe that one-thousand of them typing away and producing ten-thousand blog posts will change society. … [But] their movement hasn’t produced any results, only little online playgrounds where sad boys can sit in the sandbox and helplessly watch girls play with the cocky boys who understand the rules of the game.
He’s just getting going:
What political or social change have the men’s rights pamphleteers brought? Say MRP in one syllable. That’s the sound they make every time they sit down and hit publish on another one of their turd rants, giddy at the prospect of changing the world when a cup of strong coffee accomplishes more change to their actual turds. … They get the occasional snarky mention from Jezebel and think they’re accomplishing something when they’re actually being used as nothing more than fodder for female bemusement or page views … Even the feminists, their supposed mortal enemy, refuse to debate them on equal footing.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they go back to mostly ignoring you, with occasional time-outs for laughter.
Our dear friend Paul Elam gets a little namecheck:
The entire men’s rights non-movement can be boiled down to one middle-aged man named Paul Elam who is carrying the weight of a thousand pamphleteers on his suffering shoulders. That’s not activism, that’s following one dude’s blog. The difference they think they’re making by cheering the public outing of false rape accusers or “male shamers” is the same difference my sister makes when she reads an article in Cosmo.
Aw. I don’t think Elam is really going to appreciate having his blog compared to Cosmo. Just keep telling yourself: Any publicity is good publicity.
But wait a minute, you might find yourself saying, isn’t Roosh just a blogger himself? What possible difference has he made for the men of the world?
Ah, but Roosh has anticipated this objection, and so sets out explicitly what makes him different, and better, than the “sad boys” of the MR(non)M: Roosh fucks ladies who aren’t fat.
As he puts it:
I take personal action and encourage other men to do the same.
At the same time I was complaining that American girls are fat, I was blasting inside Polish girls with perfect bodies. I tell men how to sleep with such women.
At the same time I was whining about divorce rape, I was dating a Ukrainian girl who treated me like a king. I tell other men where to find women like her.
In Ukraine, perhaps?
And while Roosh improves the lives of men with the power of his penis, he is also doing his part to rescue the economy from its doldrums:
At the same time I complain that the American economy is in trouble, I was completing another book I knew my readers would like so that I could increase my income.
That’s right, selling ebooks to make yourself some cash is apparently the highest form of activism.
But he’s not done:
At the same time I was ranting against the Skrillex haircut, I was banging a Lithuanian girl whose hair belonged in a Vidal Sassoon shampoo commercial. I tell men how feminine women are like.
We commend Roosh for his courage and his humility, and his humanity-bettering strategy of pressuring drunk women into bed. Soon the Skrillex haircut will be nothing more than a scary memory.
But Roosh isn’t done with the Men’s Rightsers just yet. While he sets out to better himself and his penis, Roosh complains, the Men’s Rightsers want everything handed to them on a government-issue silver platter,
hoping the government will one day serve their interests and give them things that me and my readers are achieving on their own. I don’t need the government to pass laws against alimony. I simply won’t marry in the USA. I don’t need the government to pass laws promoting fair child custody laws. I won’t impregnate an America girl. I don’t need the government to increase punishment for false rape accusers. I’ll cover my own back. I don’t need the government to ban trans fat to lower the weight of the population. I’ll go to Poland.
What a hero! He continues:
In the same breath they call me a pussy beggar, they beg the government for protection from pussy.
That line is strangely Kennedyesque in its eloquence: “Beg not for what pussy your government can protect your from … .”
Before winding up his inspiring little manifesto, Roosh manages to namecheck a certain middle-aged Men’s Rightser once again:
Instead of listening to Paul Elam tell me that men are getting fucked, I will step out of the house and find a girl who wants to get fucked by me. … [MRAs] use their illusionary movement as an excuse to sit on their ass and be a loser at life.
I guess we’ll just have to wait to see if Elam takes the bait.
NOTE: If you’re a Redditor (I won’t hold it against you), could you upvote this post here? It would be much appreciated.
OT but WTF Price has switched his site to member’s only. Now you must register for your comment to be pushed through moderation. And this bit:
That sounds like some scary shit, though I can’t imagine how it could be worse than “removing infant girls’ voiceboxes” and communizing the c*nt.” But I’m sure they’ll find a way.
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2012/08/26/open-comments-for-registered-users/
If one does get pregnant, he will likely disappear and she will be unable to find him.
So…what’s the big custody issue?
Is he concerned that courts might award him too much custody?
In response to all this poster business, I wish I could put these up in reply:
http://colorlines.com/archives/2012/03/artist_strikes_back_against_anti-woman_attacks_–_politicians_off_my_poontang.html
🙂
Vermin:
I’ve been to Poland several times in the last few years, and I absolutely endorse this – the Polish women I know would spot Roosh a mile away and work out his sleazy motivations long before he tried to hit on them. They’re far more likely to be a sarcastic cynic than a virginal innocent.
And on a more general note, don’t Roosh’s sexual encounters come across as utterly joyless? I’d rather be celibate than have a sex life like that.
Well, some guy is starting to get pretty presumptuous here.
My old cat would eat any people food, but he was particularly fond of chocolate (only the British kind, which he would come running from the other room whenever I opened) and crisps/chips. He would beg for Doritos. The oddest thing I ever saw him eat was biryani – if he’d just eaten the meat that would have made sense, but nope, he was eating the rice.
Also ice cream, but that’s an obvious one.
“Dating a Ukrainian girl who treated me like a king” = “Going on a mail-order-bride junket tour for the world’s saddest men, where a Ukrainian girl who goes to these events for a living pretended to like me so I would buy her dinner.”
Overlap in readership? Who the hell knows. (And it depends on how you measure this.) Overlap in terrible ideas about women? 95%
Again, depends on how you measure it. In terms of blog readers? Tens of thousands. In terms of “active” mras and commenters, a LOT smaller. Hundreds, maybe. Actual activists? A tiny handful.
3 big ones, plus one big MGTOW one, all with tens of thousands of at least semi-regular readers. Not sure how much of that is overlap. Dozens of smaller ones, easily more than a hundred if you count misogynist sites that may not explicitly define themselves as MRAs.
David, can we please have comments in vbulletin, or php?
Would be nice to have a robust forum.
My cats love anything that looks even vaguely like it might be meat, but one of them (Mango) is especially fond of cheese. For her, it’s second only to tuna in the “i’ll-bug-you-until-you-give-me-some” list.
I don’t have cats, but I have several dogs who like to wait patiently by the table every time we eat.
digenes, there is a separate man boobz forum that runs on php — the link is in the sidebar. But most of the discussion still happens here on the blog.
I could try to claim it’s relevant cause she mentions gender equality, but mostly – Damn it’s good to be PM 🙂
Sedan chair carried by shirtless young men. How fun is that!
Also here’s a video of some goats.
Starting to look a bit stalker-y there, ‘bored’ guy. You should maybe go out and get some sun.
Sunlight is misandry.
@aworldanonymous
Kids, eh? Who’d have ’em 🙂
My Rigel does this! He doesn’t wait for me to turn away, either. He’ll sneak his paw right under my forearm towards the plate as I’m eating and try to grab something. He also has a bad habit of jumping up on the counter if he smells something interesting. If I can’t stop him in time he’ll land right in my prep area. He doesn’t even have favorites; he’ll literally eat anything that he comes across, so I have to be really careful with him.
Uh what is “divorce rape” ? O.O
@Shaenon – That reminds me of a story that our local alt-weekly ran about ten years ago, right when the internet order bride thing had just gotten up and running. A business professor at our local college had decided that he was tired of American women; they only valued him for his bank account, and they also were too career focused to take proper care of a family (sounds familiar, yes?). So he turned to the internet to meet a nice, traditional wife and mother type from an unspoiled country of the east. He picked out a girl (he was fifty-five, she was twenty-four) based mostly on her picture, they exchanged a few emails and had a very short visit, and then he brought her over to get married. Lo and behold, after about ten months she went back to her mobster boyfriend in Moscow, leaving him with credit card debt, a car payment, and an international divorce to negotiate.
As the journalist presented the story, the moral was supposed to be “Good men, beware of evil foreign con artists who will suck your heart and your bank account dry!” I took it as, “Look! Two horrible people on different continents somehow managed to meet and get married!”
I can’t add anything to the veggie cats discussion, but when I was trying to go vegan my dog had a big thing for Tofurkey sausages. That’s not too abnormal, though – those things are delicious!
We have a forum…..
Why? He doesn’t care, he is mostly here to mock them not do serious research.
I don’t even know what that is.
Get a friend in real life????
What is this, beg David to do random crap for you day???
And now that I’ve read further back in the thread:
@KittehServant – Yeah, but it just seems extra gross when he’s complementary of foreign women. He views American girls as fast food hamburgers (only good when you’re drunk and desperate) but his take on women in other countries seems to be almost like a awarding points for good breeding at a dog show. Yuck. I think I’d rather be pink slime; then I at least have the power to repulse him.
@Niktike – Hi, back – thanks for the welcome! I have no idea how Roosh plans to get around impregnating an American. And if I am lucky, I will never find out 🙂
Actually, I think “some boring guy” is being slightly topical with the Atheism community split. (slightly? maybe?)
Because a lot of the splits I’m hearing about are because of misogyny. I mean, outright, plain. (here, read this. It’s… enlightening)
Slightly topical, I said. Well, actually, not topical at all. Just a waving hands ‘why you looking at this misogyny, isn’t that worse? Ignore dese guys!!!!’
Hmmph.
I don’t even know what that is.
He’s trying to draw false equivalence between:
a) The group of social justice-minded atheists (the new Atheism+ movement) saying to all the prejudiced/bigoted arseholes in the atheist movement “You know what? Fuck it, and fuck you. We’re going over here so we can have a movement that’s inclusive.”
and b) A bunch of angry dudes on the internet flailing their arms around and each screaming that the other group are morons.