Men’s Rights Activists, I hate to have to break the news to you, but Roosh V, the rapey pickup guru I’ve been writing about a lot lately, is very disappointed in you and your so-called activism. In a sort-of followup to a post of his from several years back with the self-explanatory title “Men’s Rights Has Become A Euphemism For Sexual Loser,” Roosh lays into the “manginas” of the Men’s Rights movement, which he says isn’t really worthy of the name.
The biggest problem with MRAs is that they are not activists. They are pamphleteers. … They believe that one-thousand of them typing away and producing ten-thousand blog posts will change society. … [But] their movement hasn’t produced any results, only little online playgrounds where sad boys can sit in the sandbox and helplessly watch girls play with the cocky boys who understand the rules of the game.
He’s just getting going:
What political or social change have the men’s rights pamphleteers brought? Say MRP in one syllable. That’s the sound they make every time they sit down and hit publish on another one of their turd rants, giddy at the prospect of changing the world when a cup of strong coffee accomplishes more change to their actual turds. … They get the occasional snarky mention from Jezebel and think they’re accomplishing something when they’re actually being used as nothing more than fodder for female bemusement or page views … Even the feminists, their supposed mortal enemy, refuse to debate them on equal footing.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they go back to mostly ignoring you, with occasional time-outs for laughter.
Our dear friend Paul Elam gets a little namecheck:
The entire men’s rights non-movement can be boiled down to one middle-aged man named Paul Elam who is carrying the weight of a thousand pamphleteers on his suffering shoulders. That’s not activism, that’s following one dude’s blog. The difference they think they’re making by cheering the public outing of false rape accusers or “male shamers” is the same difference my sister makes when she reads an article in Cosmo.
Aw. I don’t think Elam is really going to appreciate having his blog compared to Cosmo. Just keep telling yourself: Any publicity is good publicity.
But wait a minute, you might find yourself saying, isn’t Roosh just a blogger himself? What possible difference has he made for the men of the world?
Ah, but Roosh has anticipated this objection, and so sets out explicitly what makes him different, and better, than the “sad boys” of the MR(non)M: Roosh fucks ladies who aren’t fat.
As he puts it:
I take personal action and encourage other men to do the same.
At the same time I was complaining that American girls are fat, I was blasting inside Polish girls with perfect bodies. I tell men how to sleep with such women.
At the same time I was whining about divorce rape, I was dating a Ukrainian girl who treated me like a king. I tell other men where to find women like her.
In Ukraine, perhaps?
And while Roosh improves the lives of men with the power of his penis, he is also doing his part to rescue the economy from its doldrums:
At the same time I complain that the American economy is in trouble, I was completing another book I knew my readers would like so that I could increase my income.
That’s right, selling ebooks to make yourself some cash is apparently the highest form of activism.
But he’s not done:
At the same time I was ranting against the Skrillex haircut, I was banging a Lithuanian girl whose hair belonged in a Vidal Sassoon shampoo commercial. I tell men how feminine women are like.
We commend Roosh for his courage and his humility, and his humanity-bettering strategy of pressuring drunk women into bed. Soon the Skrillex haircut will be nothing more than a scary memory.
But Roosh isn’t done with the Men’s Rightsers just yet. While he sets out to better himself and his penis, Roosh complains, the Men’s Rightsers want everything handed to them on a government-issue silver platter,
hoping the government will one day serve their interests and give them things that me and my readers are achieving on their own. I don’t need the government to pass laws against alimony. I simply won’t marry in the USA. I don’t need the government to pass laws promoting fair child custody laws. I won’t impregnate an America girl. I don’t need the government to increase punishment for false rape accusers. I’ll cover my own back. I don’t need the government to ban trans fat to lower the weight of the population. I’ll go to Poland.
What a hero! He continues:
In the same breath they call me a pussy beggar, they beg the government for protection from pussy.
That line is strangely Kennedyesque in its eloquence: “Beg not for what pussy your government can protect your from … .”
Before winding up his inspiring little manifesto, Roosh manages to namecheck a certain middle-aged Men’s Rightser once again:
Instead of listening to Paul Elam tell me that men are getting fucked, I will step out of the house and find a girl who wants to get fucked by me. … [MRAs] use their illusionary movement as an excuse to sit on their ass and be a loser at life.
I guess we’ll just have to wait to see if Elam takes the bait.
NOTE: If you’re a Redditor (I won’t hold it against you), could you upvote this post here? It would be much appreciated.
If I remember correctly, Roissy once wrote a blog about how fat women are fat and happy and therefore they weed themselves out of the competition or something.
To be honest, if the only reason women have sex (or rather, tolerate being used as a fuckdoll) is to get men to buy them things they want, then OF COURSE women will prefer shift work in retail for pay to indentured sexual and domestic servitude to some thoughtless boor who miiiight buy her something she wants if she gives him anal without lube.
His article also just assumes that men, by default, DESERVE a vagina to fuck, which is why, apparently, fat women are so horrible. Not because women by default have any actual say in who they fuck, but because the vaginal life support device is just tooooo horrrrrrible for the penis-controlled horny man who will die if he does not get his dick wet during erectiontime.
Ugh. How dehumanizing to everyone involved.
That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Actually, there have been a lot of refutations, if you’re linking to a random dude on the internet who posts nothing peer reviewed then the assertions of people here are basically just as good. Not to mention, one person was kind enough to link to a reputable resource, which you were not.
Back on to escape artist pets, @Falconer, I would suspect the blue healer is doing one of the two things you mentioned. We finally figured out how our cockapoo was doing it one day when my mom put the dogs out because it was nice while she was driving my sister and I to swim practice. As we pulled out of the garage we saw him slip under the fence. It didn’t look comfortable to me, but that didn’t seem to bother him. My mom was all “that little stinker!” He later taught our terrior mix that trick, which was unfortunate, because she wasn’t a dog who was good with other people or dogs. We had to keep her in the house or go out with her when we put her in the backyard until she got too big to do that trick anymore.
Everyone note: the Stalinist left had nothing to do with it.
“Uh, he said that Elam and MRAs hadn’t actually accomplished anything because all they do is sit on their asses and complain online. Which is true for all but a tiny, tiny handful of them, and the only thing these “activists” seem to be doing now is putting up posters for avfm. The size of the readership doesn’t matter all that much when the readership doesn’t do anything in the real world. FWIW, Roosh has a MUCH bigger audience than AVFM, according to Alexa.”
Okay, well, then I guess Roosh is also correct that avfm and /r/mensrights is pathetic means that the time you spend focusing on avfm and /r/mensrights is even more pathetic and you should probably focus your attention on Roosh. It’s pathetic and disturbing how he advocates roofies and rape.
Bye the way, seriously, someone needs to do a real article about the Judean People’s Front hilarity going on over in the atheism+ world. That could be you David.
Have you checked out Stephanie Zwan lately? Hilarious conversation here:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamonds/2012/08/29/legitimate-differences-of-opinion
you really just do not get what mockery is, do you?
yeah dude, forming a parallel movement because of legitimate disagreements with people who are anti-social justice is the same as a cosmetic doctrinal schism. that is not some idiot false equivalency garbage a lazy whinelord made up because he wanted to deflect attention from the cascade of failure he’s trying to defend.
@some guy
I don’t think David is interested in being your freelance writer.
Tell you what, I could do you up a fullrights, no-attribution article about r-atheism for 25 USD, payable through Paypal. What do you say?
See how that works? You request a service, and you state the amount you will pay for your service.
@some guy
Also, you should do an article about why you decided to be part of a hate movement. For me, for free.
everything in that post is basically correct??? are you just looking for feminist to throw a tantrum about?
Zwan’s post basically boils down to: “People who think that rape and sexism aren’t problems fail at critical reasoning.”
Are you trying to argue that this isn’t true? It sounds a lot like saying “racists have a poor understanding of sociology.” It’s basic common sense.
he’s an mra, so actually, yeah probably. i mean, he can’t answer zwan’s challenge to back his shit up, but he is so going to get all huffy about it.
Yeah, I know, I’m just interested if I can get some guy to actual state his position.
Some guy. You are in a hate group. You come here to defend other members of that hate group. Have you ever considered not being in a hate group?
Man, the comment thread on the Zwan article is a goldmine. A commenter named thegambler seriously argued that ftb is a site “for feminism, not social justice” because there were about ten times as many articles on feminism as about marijuana. How DARE people think that discrimation against half the world’s population is ten times or more as important as people’s right to smoke up.
If you like that topic so much, why don’t you make your own blog and write all about it? David doesn’t have to take orders from you.
Because David hasn’t said Roosh’s tactics are rapey and awful already and doesn’t continue to? Fuck dude, you’re saying “you need to pay attention to Roosh” in the comments of a post about Roosh. WTF? And it’s not like MRAs are strangers to advocating rape. The likes of Elam & co. are also advocating to vote “not guilty” if they ever sit on juries in rape trials, even if it’s obvious beyond a shadow of a doubt that the man being tried did in fact rape. Plenty of others are just general rape apologists “it wasn’t rape rape” “it wasn’t real rape” “she deserved it” etc. They may not be rapists themselves (though I don’t think it’s completely unfair to postulate that a group that views women as less than human would have an overlap of folks who view women’s consent to sex acts as unnecessary) but they are for sure, rape enablers.
And again where do you get off telling David what he should and shouldn’t write about on his own damn blog?
That could also be you! You obviously have a computer with an internet connection and a means of making words you think appear on the screen, you could start your own blog where you talk about whatever the hell you want! I mean, why petition a guy who’s schtick you’re bored with to do it? Obviously his writing isn’t up to your standards anyway, so if he did jump for every command you gave, you’d just find something else to pick apart. What’s the saying? If you want something done right, fucking do it your goddamn self already and quit pissing and moaning that no one else will do it for you.
I agree, but I think there’s another way in which that’s stupid: it’s perfectly reasonable to restrict yourself to a subset of social justice while still being, y’know, a social justice thing.
What baggage? Do you mean the baggage of loyalty?
No, but thanks for asking.
..Zwan..
*Puts on mistake correction hat (aka pair of cat ears)* Should be a “v”, not a “w”.
Hey some guy, as an irritating douchecanoe, you should really clean my house for me.
My dad tells that our first dog, Rex, once ate an entire box of chocolates when everyone had gone out. He ripped the box to shreds but somehow managed to remove the foil wrappers. He was ok, though, had a very robust digestive system (ate a dead rat on at least two occasions).
My childhood dog had to be taken to puppy emergency twice — twice! — for managing to break into the outside garbage can and eating plastic wrap. Presumably there were some yummy sandwich remnants on them, or something. Poor fella. 🙁
one of my dogs ate plastic wrap once but we didnt notice it and the only consequence for her was a seriously uncomfortable shit
Our dog ate a few Babybel cheeses (do they have those everywhere? i don’t know! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babybel) and I didn’t notice until I was cleaning the yard a few days later and found several perfectly wax-wrapped turds.
Also the cocker spaniel we had growing up was an absolute *fiend* for chocolate – but only if it belonged to my sister. He ate a christmas present she had wrapped (chocolates for a friend), her entire hallowe’en stash one year and her easter bunny. He seemed ok, but i wouldn’t reccomend chocolate for critters!
Statements of religious faith are, as a rule, unfalsifiable.
wut?