Categories
antifeminism are these guys 12 years old? douchebaggery misogyny MRA oppressed men precious bodily fluids rape rape jokes reddit

Fake Spooge and Rape Jokes: A new frontier in Men’s Rights activism?

So over on the Men’s Rights subreddit – you know, the old one, not its newfangled would-be replacement – the fellas are complaining about how oppressive it is for a university to put up signs suggesting that consent is good and rape is bad.

Clearly, these signs are an insult to non-rapist men, in the same way that “don’t feed the animals” signs in zoos are an insult to those of us who aren’t planning to feed the animals.

Happily, the dude calling himself anti-everyone has come up with a way to fight back against this feminazi tyranny:

Is the Poster Revolution moving to its next stage?

Subscribe
Notify of
guest

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.

208 Comments
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
9 years ago

I’m seeing a flaw in this plan..

(Unless there’s a type of glue I don’t know about that dries white rather than clear).

2-D Man
2-D Man
9 years ago

Take a sharpie and draw a twirly mustache on the ‘pear culture’ poster and write, “I cultured this poster.”

Cliff Pervocracy (@pervocracy)

If I were in charge of PR for MRAs, the first order I would give (besides “shut down forever”) would be:

Never talk about rape again. The only time you are allowed to talk about rape is in the context of supporting male rape victims. (And even then, not if you use them as a “counterargument” to female rape victims.)

Because for fuck’s sake, fellas, you could get people on your side with, like, the “support single fathers” thing and the “it sucks to be expected to be a tough masculine provider all the time” thing. You could probably even get people into the workplace accidents thing and you could definitely get people into the men’s health and men’s shelters stuff.

But when you guys talk about rape, you just completely fucking forget what you sound like to non-MRAs. You go off the fucking rails. Even if you had a point about false accusations, you quickly bury it in a mound of “things that are horrible and nonconsensual, but we think shouldn’t count as real rape” and “rape that is real, but the woman deserved it” and “any mention that rape exists fills us with disproportionate fury.” You cannot handle your rape discussions.

If MRAs could just stop talking about rape altogether, they would be roughly 500 times more likely to not look like complete crackpot misogynists to the outside world.

howardbann1ster
howardbann1ster
9 years ago

If MRAs could just stop talking about rape altogether, they would be roughly 500 times more likely to not look like complete crackpot misogynists to the outside world.

But they’d have to stop being complete crackpot misogynists to stop talking about…. OOOOOOOH.

ozymandias42
9 years ago

“Hey, they should have the ‘consent is sexy’ posters in the women’s bathrooms too” = reasonable point.

“‘Consent is sexy’ makes me feel like a rapist” = NOT A REASONABLE POINT.

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
9 years ago

MRAs: proving the need for feminist and antirape activism simply by opening their mouths.

Speaking of which, I picked up a pro-choice washington water bottle sticker and a “consent is sexy” button at my school’s club fair. A friend of mine ended up talking to a man from some organization that is trying to form a conservative club on campus, and the man claimed that (a) he’d wanted to become a doctor and (b) Akin’s theory had a scientific basis.

Someone did try to start a men’s group on campus, but it was more about exploring how Patriarchy Hurts Men Too, and it was hampered by the fact that its head was already helping to run the feminist and LGBT club, so he didn’t have time on his hands for something else. They did manage to get a discussion about men and body issues going, which I think is something that is often overlooked.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
9 years ago

Because for fuck’s sake, fellas, you could get people on your side with, like, the “support single fathers” thing and the “it sucks to be expected to be a tough masculine provider all the time” thing. You could probably even get people into the workplace accidents thing and you could definitely get people into the men’s health and men’s shelters stuff.

It’s pretty clear to me that those other issues are just afterthoughts compared to their desire to shit on rape victims.

Karalora
Karalora
9 years ago

Clearly, these signs are an insult to non-rapist men, in the same way that “don’t feed the animals” signs in zoos are an insult to those of us who aren’t planning to feed the animals.

I suspect the nature of their protest is just the opposite, actually – they hate being told not to rape because they do want to do it and hate that they could get in trouble for it.

Cliff Pervocracy (@pervocracy)

Crumbelievable – Eh, a lot of them are also excuses to shit on DV victims. Like “fathers deserve fair custody” sounds all reasonable until you realize that 95% of the fathers they defend are blatant abusers. (PROTIP for MRAs: If a guy gets weekend custody, it’s because the judge thinks the mother should be the primary caregiver. If a guy gets zero custody, he did something. Men who want custody don’t get zero just because of caregiver stereotypes. There’s something else going on.)

Or “men suffer from DV” is totally true, except that they mostly use it to attack any education or outreach for women at risk for DV.

Freitag
Freitag
9 years ago

Yes, let’s “spooge”on the posters and make rape jokes. Because rape is soooooo funny.

Here’s a pair of kittens.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
9 years ago

That thread is a Shit Fondue.

From the OP:

Hell.. every male bathroom in the university is plastered in these posters, and even just walking into a male bathroom, right next to almost everyone is a 5 ft by 5 ft board covered in “got consent? ” posters
There is none of this around the female bathrooms ( my gf checked), just every space where men gather.. nothing but those stupid “got consent?” Posters.
Ahhhh! This shit is like acid… sowing self doubt and loathing.

Oh noes! Not self-doubt! Those poor babies.

This gem from qdub, explaining why it’s offensive:

Because the posters imply that you will at some point, if not repeatedly, have sex without consent. It’s uninformed stereotyping. If you were a black person that didn’t commit crimes, but were repeatedly told that you shouldn’t steal while other races weren’t told not to would you be offended?

All Men: they’re just like PoC in the United States.

Here’s a whole series of comments, with net upvotes, showing how sensitive r/mr is to male rape victims and their plight:

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/ywuvv/need_to_vent_new_workplace_is_getting_to_me/c5zk7wy

The collective wisdom of R/MR judges these comments to be better than this one, with ~21 net downvotes:

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/ywuvv/need_to_vent_new_workplace_is_getting_to_me/c5zjlzl

ozymandias42
9 years ago

Cliff: “Fathers should have fair custody” is perfectly reasonable, as is “the primary caregiver should in most cases take primary custody of the children.” The problem is that men are not usually primary caregivers, and that’s something that reforming the legal system won’t solve.

Sharculese
9 years ago

Oh noes! Not self-doubt! Those poor babies.

if constantly being reminded about the importance of consent is really filling you with that much self-doubt then it’s because you know you’re doing something you shouldnt be and the solution is to stop doing that thing

Freitag
Freitag
9 years ago

Oh, puh-LEEZE! The reddit crap is unreal.

Did you obtain consent when you went from fondling her left boob to her right? If you skipped a step then you did not have consent and are a rapist.

further on down in the thread:

if you are affiliated with a university and you have sex with someone then, regardless of the circumstances, the university has set up its policies such that you are a rapist. In fact its possible for you (or anyone) to even conceive of an amorous encounter that was not rape.

For the record, I am affiliated with a university, and this is a steaming pile. They are exaggerating juuuuuuust a little bit, to say the least. This stinks of whiny sense of entitlement that is being thwarted by the evuhl authorities. “If I can get her drunk enough then I can score and I didn’t do anything wrong. Or if I went further than she wanted to that’s too bad, it was her fault for getting the car. I am so not a rapist just because I want sex, and this makes me question whether what I actually do makes me one and I don’t like that because I don’t want to think of myself that way.”

Falconer
Falconer
9 years ago

@freitag: I like your icon, and I wish I’d thought of it first.

Cliff Pervocracy (@pervocracy)

Did you obtain consent when you went from fondling her left boob to her right? If you skipped a step then you did not have consent and are a rapist.

People always make this argument on my blog to explain why they should never have to ask consent for anything ever.

YO, MAYBE THERE IS SOMETHING IN BETWEEN DO YOU THINK

ozymandias42
9 years ago

Uh, if you’re an university *employee* and you have sex with a student then that’s rape by the school’s policies, yeah. (Well, maybe not if you’re a janitor.) I don’t… think that’s a bad thing?

Also, it is really not hard to make sure that people whom you are having sex with want to have sex with you. Seriously, I do it ALL THE TIME.

Sharculese
9 years ago

it’s not like theyre actually worried that theyre engaged in rapey behavior because they dont actually give a fuck about rape. theyre worried about being labeled as rapey because Mean Name is the worst oppression ever.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
9 years ago

“These posters are offensive and bad because they’re calling me a rapist, and that makes me feel bad! Now excuse me while I whine for several paragraphs about how hard it is to get consent and get laid at the same time.”

Cliff Pervocracy (@pervocracy)

Tulgey Logger – Yeah, if they are going to (not recommended, fellas!) complain about being called potential rapists, they at least need to get the “but it’s not rape if” and the “but women ask for it” and the “ha ha, rape is funny” guys the fuck out of that discussion.

Freitag
Freitag
9 years ago

@Falconer, thanks. I just learned how (with much Boobzer help!) to change my gravatar yesterday. I still wanted to be a cat, and hey! Now I’m a Cat!

@ozymandias42, yes. It is absolutely, positively, no exceptions, against every policy there is for faculty/staff to have sex with a student. But the policies for inter-student-sex aren’t so strict. Consent matters, and as you and everyone else (everyone else who’s sane, anyway) points out,it ain’t that hard to get it. It doesn’t require step-by-step “can I switch boobs” or other BS. It does, however, require a bit of self-awareness which a lot of MRA types seem to lack.

ozymandias42
9 years ago

Right. Also, you have to consider that if your partner wanted the sex they probably wouldn’t accuse you of rape. They’d probably be all “yay! I had sex!” I mean, false accusations sure, but if someone were falsely accusing you of rape they wouldn’t need to be like “he touched my breast without asking!” they could just say “he had sex with me while I was screaming no!” because, you know, they are lying.

It’s not like we have Rape Police going into random people’s bedrooms, you know?

EXCUSE ME SIR DID YOU GET A SIGNED CONTRACT TO TOUCH THAT BREAST

Freitag
Freitag
9 years ago

There’s also the relative ease of determining if the other person is enjoying the sex. If they’re unconscious, assume they’re not. If they’re not responding, tensing up, pulling away, muttering things that sound like they’re uncomfortable, then, oh, I dunno, maybe you ought to stop for a minute?

Really, how hard is this?

sabresguy5
sabresguy5
9 years ago

I saw this little nugget by mayonesa, advocating the creation of a place to just get away from all that misandry:

See if you can create a Men’s Space. There might be funding available.

I immediately thought of a rickety old treehouse with a “No gurlz allowd” sign.

aworldanonymous
9 years ago

@Freitag

I loved that episode of Doctor Who.

Freitag
Freitag
9 years ago

“All this modern talk to this old-fashioned cat!”

And my offspring will be kittens.

ostara321
ostara321
9 years ago

Yeah, if they are going to (not recommended, fellas!) complain about being called potential rapists, they at least need to get the “but it’s not rape if” and the “but women ask for it” and the “ha ha, rape is funny” guys the fuck out of that discussion.

Generally speaking, it seems most of the “wahhhh! You’re accusing me of being a potential rapist!” guys and the “but it’s not rape if/women ask for it” guys are generally THE SAME GUYS.

Which is hardly a coincidence.

Freitag
Freitag
9 years ago

The ones who complain the most about being told not to do “rapey” things are usually the ones who think they actually need to do “rapey” things in order to get laid. In which case they shouldn’t complain about creep-shaming, because they really are creeps.

drst
drst
9 years ago

I gotta ask: glue? I didn’t realize white-out was misandry.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
9 years ago

I’m sure they would put up some posters in the women’s bath rooms if there were room on the walls between all the names of rapists.

Shaenon
9 years ago

There is none of this around the female bathrooms ( my gf checked), just every space where men gather.. nothing but those stupid “got consent?” Posters.

I want to send a SWAT team to that campus to rescue the girlfriend of the guy who thinks asking men not to rape people is stupid.

skeptifem
9 years ago

its too juvenile for me to really get offended. There is something very jr high about using school supplies to get revenge AGAINST INJUSTICE!

ostara321
ostara321
9 years ago

The ones who complain the most about being told not to do “rapey” things are usually the ones who think they actually need to do “rapey” things in order to get laid. In which case they shouldn’t complain about creep-shaming, because they really are creeps.

Emphasis mine. WORD. I remember a few years back reading about a troll a feminist blogger had who essentially said “but if you make men so afraid they’ll rape someone, then no men will instigate sex and no one will ever have sex again!” The blogger did a good job of laughing the troll off, but it was kind of telling and scary to me.

Freitag
Freitag
9 years ago

*sigh* Sometimes this MRA stuff makes my brain hurt.

I leave a bulldog puppy behind while I go fix dinner. Because bulldog.

Wetherby
Wetherby
9 years ago

In something like a quarter century of being sexually active, not once have I ever been worried that any of my partners might hit me with a false or indeed a genuine rape accusation.

This is thanks to my cunning ploy of securing unambiguous consent before having sex, coupled with things like making sure that this consent isn’t impaired by drugs or alcohol.

I’m really not sure why this is supposed to be so difficult.

cloudiah
9 years ago

Bulldog puppy bellies are the cure for anything.

Zanana
Zanana
9 years ago

It’s a legitimate point that our culture should stress the importance of consent to women as well, but like Cliff says, all the legitimate points in that thread are lost under the sea of rage and mockery and stupidity…

I used to be bad at consent because I really thought that as a girl I had nothing to worry about. And then I was joking about hooking up with an ex when they were *really* drunk to a male friend who was a way better feminist than me at the time, and he was like, yo, that’s not something you should joke about. And I was like, oh shit, you’re right.

Now I’m really careful about it, but being careful doesn’t have to mean being a buzzkill or a maniac with a fucking contract. My most recent partner doesn’t talk a lot in bed, so I make up safewords that are funny, for even completely vanilla stuff, and I remind him of what the safeword is before I try to initiate something new, and it’s kind of a joke but he totally uses the safeword when he wants to stop or do something different, and the silliness of the safeword makes the whole thing non-confrontational and easy, and my point is there are LOTS of possible solutions and no need for anyone to take offense at reminders that legit consent is fucking important.

TK
TK
9 years ago

@Cliff while I agree with you, you might be fighting a losing battles. Because even when most MRAs argue your other, valid points and issues, it’s with all the nastiness of rape apologetics (or denial).

For example
“support single fathers” thing
Sure. Society’s into it. In fact, people still seem to treat being a single dad like an act of heroism in a way single motherhood will never be (because people, including MRAs, push the idea that women are meant, above all, to be mothers). Have never even heard of a ‘welfare dad’ or of a single father being painted as a harlot.

“it sucks to be expected to be a tough masculine provider all the time” thing.
Again, MRAs seem pretty happy to both accuse women of being lazy gold diggers who are too stupid to get ‘real’ jobs… but also accuse them of stealing jobs that rightfully belong to men (probably by sleeping their way up the corporate ladder).

workplace accidents thing
Again, sure. Labor laws. Safety improvement. But again, the same guys complaining that no one cares if men die at work don’t seem to be particularly intent on any solution except, uh, keeping women out of any of these jobs (firefighting, military, etc.).

men’s health
Yes. Definitely worth highlighting health issues that only affect men, or affect men in different ways than women. Though it’s worth noting that the opposite has been the norm up until recently (and continues to be in many areas) – health studies and tests where no women have been considered at all except as an afterthought (where they’re considered ‘smaller men’ and given a proportional dose or similar treatment).
But yes on encouraging men to eat well, exercise and visit the doctor (if they can afford it – MRAs don’t seem too big on universal healthcare).

men’s shelters stuff
Again, not sure if anyone is ignoring this. The face of poverty has been, by and large, that of a white man, for very long. Initiatives specifically involving women may make people more sympathetic (I’m not sure, perhaps there are studies), but if they exist it is to fill a real need that isn’t being met by mainstream shelters and resources.

What seems to be prevalent when it comes to MRAs in these issues, aside from misogyny, of course, is both the accusations against society/women (who run society, of course) for ignoring these issues – but also a terrible fear of being ‘feminised.’ So they want to rail against unsafe workplaces (well, for men) and the rates of male suicide… but they sure as hell don’t want some lady or, ahem, white knight coming in and telling them how things could be safer, or that boys need to learn early on to deal with their emotions.

TK
TK
9 years ago

(Sorry if that all seemed directed at you, it wasn’t! It’s just that, like many feminists, I think, I do think about the issues men face and appreciate those working to fix them. I just have yet to meet any who are also MRAs.)

fembot
9 years ago

Some people just never (mentally) leave junior high.

nwoslave
9 years ago

Posters around schools telling women not to lie about rape seems equally appropriate.

Cliff Pervocracy (@pervocracy)

TK – Oh yeah, I totally agree. I don’t think MRAs have the right take on those issues, I just think that they’re a little better able to pass for reasonable, or at least “righteous but misguided” than they are when they talk about rape.

nepenthelaughs
nepenthelaughs
9 years ago

if you are affiliated with a university and you have sex with someone then, regardless of the circumstances, the university has set up its policies such that you are a rapist. In fact its possible for you (or anyone) to even conceive of an amorous encounter that was not rape.

Especially galling considering that, given the “in house” dealing with rape so common on university campuses, the worst thing that could conceivably happen to a dude who rapes on campus is being expelled. And he’d practically have to be a blatant serial rapist for that to happen. When I was in university, I knew several men who habitually sexually assaulted women and I can’t imagine they sought consent in bed when they didn’t find it necessary to seek it in the hallways or at parties. Terrible consequences: being rather popular gents who got a kick out of joking about rape in public.

Noadi
9 years ago

@TK When MRAs complain about men’s shelters they don’t mean homeless shelters but domestic violence shelters. There is a serious lack of shelters and resources for adult male victims of abuse. However MRAs aren’t really serious about this issue, they use it as an excuse to justify DV against women instead of working to help men.

Effie
Effie
9 years ago

*sigh* Guys, if she’s not trying to rip your clothes off, saying, “Yes, yes, yes, NOW” or a reasonable facsimile of behavior thereof, you just might want to STOP briefly and ask, “Are you doing ok?” Seriously, if you’re afraid that a 10 second interval to check in is going to cause you to not get laid, you probably shouldn’t be getting naked with that person (or any other person) in the first place.

Viscaria
Viscaria
9 years ago

Did you obtain consent when you went from fondling her left boob to her right? If you skipped a step then you did not have consent and are a rapist.

Uh, no, this is obvious bullshit, Random Reddit MRA (RRMRA), and you know it. Thing is, though, if you’re touching her left boob and then you move to her right and she says “oops bruised myself there, no right boob please” or just “no” without any sort of explanation or “actually I think we should stop this whole thing I’m not comfortable”, you actually have to stop. You don’t get to get pissy about this unfair feminist crap that doesn’t let you do whatever the hell you want to someone else’s body because they were willing to let you take off their clothes.

nwoslave
9 years ago

@TK
“What seems to be prevalent when it comes to MRAs in these issues, aside from misogyny, of course, is both the accusations against society/women (who run society, of course) for ignoring these issues – but also a terrible fear of being ‘feminised.’ So they want to rail against unsafe workplaces (well, for men) and the rates of male suicide… but they sure as hell don’t want some lady or, ahem, white knight coming in and telling them how things could be safer, or that boys need to learn early on to deal with their emotions.”

Why would men want to be feminized? That sounds repulsive to any man. It’s healthy and normal to hate when someone, or entity tells you to be something you’re not. The huge increase is suicide rates for men in every society corresponds precisely with when feminism was adpoted as the prevailing ideology. Therefore the enemy of all men, and women who care to give a fuck is, feminism. Boys deal with their emotions differently than girls, yet girl psychology is what’s used to laughably help boys emotionally. Up, up, up goes the suicide rate of course.

Perhaps this is women reverting back to their animal nature that men have tried so hard to civilize out of them. Whoever doesn’t become feminized, gay or commits suicide is worthy of reproduction. I wouldn’t put it passed women, they’re not exactly known for their empathy towards men. Look at all men have done to make women comfortable, all the shelters men have built and funded for women. And all the prisons for men to go to on a womans word alone. Look at the laws, adulterous women get the children and men get only the bill. Only 60% of colleges are women? Oh hell, have a little more Title IX you poor dahlins. Wear a miniskirt to work and then sue if a man looks too long. Want a job? It’s your’s, no need to compete for it, you’re a woman. Hell, have all the teaching jobs. So what if we rank last in the world. It’s not your fault, it’s gotta be mens fault.

Why it’s a war on women out there. Pay for my birth control, pay for my abortions, pay for my welfare, pay for MY children, pay for my maternity leave, but damn it, stay out of my uterus. The wallet of course stay neatly in place. Funny that, Aye? Mirror, mirror on the wall, whose the fairest of them all. Why women of course. Those darned ATMs never had it so good.

aworldanonymous
9 years ago

So why do they think they need to rape to get laid anyway?

Nanasha
Nanasha
9 years ago

Ugh. Today was “sex offender registry” day. I work right down the hall from where they are legally required to check in.

Being all hugely pregnant, I have to pee desperately multiple times a day. And although I mostly go early enough so I can make it if I go the long way around, sometimes I must waddle my butt off past the registry line or I wont get to the toilets in time.

EVERY FUCKING TIME I walk by, most, if not all of these men begin eyefucking me in that horrible, creepy way that even when I am attempting to avoid all eye contact, somehow its like lasers boring into your body.

I often wonder how many of these men go home and post rape apologist shit on sites like Reddit.

*shudder*

aworldanonymous
9 years ago

Here’s some more brain bleach.

http://youtu.be/YZs3EADi2pQ

1 2 3 5