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Splitsville! Paul Elam starts a rival Men’s Rights subreddit, where he can ban people

It was, perhaps, inevitable, and now it has come to pass: obviously fed up with Men’s Rights Redditors questioning his wisdom (and his tactics, and his general narcissistic assholery) on a fairly regular basis, A Voice for Men Supreme Leader Paul Elam has started up his own Men’s Rights subredditr/mensrightsactivists –in which he can summarily ban all ”armchair activists” and “white knights” and “people who disagree with him.” Yep, that’s right: he’s made like a Trotskyist banana, and split.

Elam has long had a fairly strained relationship with Reddit MRAs. If you search through his comment history on Reddit, you can see evidence of numerous meltdowns on his part, which occur fairly regularly whenever anyone challenges him on pretty much anything, even when they are otherwise sympathetic to his views. On his own blog, he responds to such criticism by quickly banning the critics; on Reddit, he has tended to respond with schoolyard insults, digs at the masculinity of his critics, long recitations of his many fine accomplishments as a dedicated armchair activist, and the occasional rape joke.

Clearly the final straw for Elam was the reception given to a post of his on the poster controversy I wrote about here.  Some samples from the discussion. Builtbro offers a substantive critique of Elam’s badly worded posters:

HolyCounsel is a bit more blunt:

And then there’s this edifying exchange:

The massive numbers of upvotes for Elam’s critics and downvotes for his, er, rebuttals seem to be at least partially the result of an invasion from r/SubredditDrama. Still, Elam seems to take each and every downvote personally, so the 238 net downvotes on his “Kleenex” comment must have stung.

In his new subreddit, threads like these clearly won’t be allowed to happen. As Elam explains in his less-than-welcoming “Welcome” message to new visitors:

While dissenters and the blue pill public will be welcome to post links and comment, trolls and other annoyances will be summarily booted with pleasure. This is an MRA dominated zone.

A couple of things to consider: Dissent, especially that which serves to further the improvement of the men’s movement, is welcome and appreciated. But if you want to post here, as a supposed MRA, telling others what is wrong with their work, you better have some MRA credentials.

Inactive, armchair quarterbacks, are not allowed here, unless their posts reflect genuine concern for improving and supporting the MRM and respect for those actually doing the work. If you want to ask questions so that you can learn, that is fine. But if you want to question, just so you can tear down, and you are not an MRA, then it will be adios for you. I’d sooner give a feminist the floor than a back seat driver.

R/mensrightsactivists: Come for the Elam-approved opinions, stay for the bans! Indeed, Elam devotes as much space in his “welcome” message to explaining whom he’ll ban as he does to actually spelling out what the subreddit will ostensibly do differently than good old r/mensrights.

Of course, this is not the first time that some angry MRA or two has decided to start another Men’s Rights subreddit designed to appeal to more, well, belligerent  MRAs. Reddit already boasts an assortment of such subreddits, all of them fairly sparsely populated, including Rights4Men, Male Studies, and FeMRAs, a more obnoxious alternative to the already sparsely populated LadyMRAs. There’s even another subreddit devoted to MRA activism; it goes by the name of, well, MRAactivism. (There may be several more, but I can’t remember what they’re called.)

The Men’s Rights subreddit has nearly 45,000 subscribers; Elam’s new subreddit currently has 49, which is no doubt why he continues to post links to his blog in the original Men’s Rights subreddit. Whether Elam’s new subreddit succeeds and splits the MRM in two, or dies an inglorious death, one thing is sure: there will be plenty of new material for me here at Man Boobz.

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Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

*popcorn*

Joanna
8 years ago

He’s so petulant it’s hard to tell whether it’s amusing or just sad.

aceofsevens
8 years ago

So MRAs are all angry about the ways men are treated, and it’s somehow women’s fault, but have very little agreement on what exactly is wrong with how men are treated. Is men’s role in society being eroded by female intrusion? Are men being forced into a bad role in society by female dominance? Are men being taught that they have to act like wussy women? Are women forcing men into self-destructive hardass behavior? They largely don’t even realize there are different factions.

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

It is amazing that anyone in the MRM defends Elam’s decision about that Herald-Sun Interview.

“You have a chance to explain your ‘burgeoning social justice movement,’ in your own words, to a major media source. What do you say?”
“LOL I’M WATCHING AIR FORCE ONE LOL.”

Seriously, if I thought the MRM was a worthy cause, I would be pissed as hell that someone had fucked around like that with a major publicity opportunity. And yet there are people defending him.

Cults of personality are creepy.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Aw, Paul’s so cute when he fires up the Snitmobile and drives off into the sunset of his own subreddit.

fembot
8 years ago
Joanna
8 years ago

@aceofsevens: They certainly are the most disorganized organization I’ve ever come across.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

I always figured that he’d eventually have a meltdown as soon as some other MRAs told him that he couldn’t be boss.

cloudiah
8 years ago

Joining fembot in the meme-play:
http://qkme.me/3qnqv4

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

You have to wonder, though – is builtbro so naive that he doesn’t realize that the implication he spotted in the poster was intentional? It’s not that Elam accidentally implied that he thinks women are responsible for their own abuse – it’s that he believes 100% that women are responsible for anything bad that happens to them. How is it that MRAs who consider themselves more moderate are just noticing this about him? It’s not like he’s been hiding it.

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

But if you want to post here, as a supposed MRA, telling others what is wrong with their work, you better have some MRA credentials.

Does anyone have “MRA credentials”? As far as I can tell, there are only two steps on the hierarchy of MRA “realness”:

1) Posts angry comments online, but doesn’t have a blog.
2) Posts angry comments online, and has a blog.

It’s not like anyone there can claim to have done any more for men than that. “Posts angry comments online, and once stuck a poster to a telephone pole,” I guess. That must make you, like, eligible for the Nobel Prize in Men’s Rights, comparatively.

Linds
8 years ago

This is just so adorably childish that I almost want to pat him on the head, if he weren’t so awful and sleazy.

Linds
8 years ago

I’ll be honest, I mostly just wanted to post today so I could join in the kitty train.

You don’t have many cults of personalities for nice people because nice people don’t take all the credit for everything and make people dependent on them.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
8 years ago

Not quite everyone, there’s still a few holdouts! *Eyes them suspiciously*

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

Because people with nice personalities:

-admit to being wrong sometimes, and uncertain other times
-give credit to, and share the spotlight with, people who helped them in their projects
-would be horrified if they discovered they’d developed a cult of personality, and immediately seek to convince their followers that they were just an ordinary fallible person

aworldanonymous
8 years ago

It’ll be interesting to see how this turns out, redditors will be torn between their love for free speech, and their hatred of women.

Linds
8 years ago

Join us, Cliff. Jooooooiiiiin uuuussssss.

katz
8 years ago

Yeah Cliff, I don’t know if I can value the opinions of a non-catvatar.

Cliff Pervocracy (@pervocracy)

sorry i am now a guinea pig avatar i do not deal well with peer pressure :p

RubyHypatia
RubyHypatia
8 years ago

What statistic, put on a poster, will cause a significant number of men to believe they’re oppressed?

BlackBloc (@XBlackBlocX)

There’s actually a MRAactivism subreddit? Great, not only do they have subreddits for awful ideologies, they also name them after a pet peeve of mine: redundant words after acronyms. You know, like PIN number or ATM machine.

jumbofisch
jumbofisch
8 years ago

I like that maggie defended elam in the thread about the poster. XD

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
8 years ago

Elam told builtbro,

That being said, your comment exactly reflects why AVfM is in the news, and forcing the details of more balanced dialogue to actually come out, and people like you are not.

We are not through with the posters. And yes, they are intentionally provocative. I would try to explain the necessity of that to you, but it would be a waste of time.

It’s funny that he thinks that simply getting attention in the news means you’ve accomplished something for your cause. Despite the saying, there really is such a thing as bad publicity. The Westboro Baptist Church gets referenced on the news sometimes, too, yet they’re not winning many converts from any of their publicity.

Sharculese
8 years ago

Cults of personality are creepy.

yeah, but a bunch of people here all got the same avatar, so clearly feminism is just as bad

Sharculese
8 years ago

i mean obviously im being tongue in cheek but chances are good that someone at avfm will say exactly that

Myoo
Myoo
8 years ago

@Cliff

Because people with nice personalities:

-admit to being wrong sometimes, and uncertain other times
-give credit to, and share the spotlight with, people who helped them in their projects
-would be horrified if they discovered they’d developed a cult of personality, and immediately seek to convince their followers that they were just an ordinary fallible person

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
8 years ago

Grocery list:

50 gallons of popcorn

Also, cheese topping for said popcorn.

Has anyone noticed that the spearhead is moving towards a subscriber site?

David, I think someones a little miffed that you post about him. Or to him…since I suppose he doesn’t want to moderate all the wonderful support he gets at his site from his fans.

jumbofisch
jumbofisch
8 years ago

Cat Cult of Feminism

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
8 years ago

Just to lower my substantive comments to cat videos ratio, here’s a little rescue kitten with a dirty face:

And here is the kitten a year later, playing fetch:

Snowy
Snowy
8 years ago

I haave beeeenn assimilateddd

ozymandias42
8 years ago

WHY IS EVERYONE CATS NOW

THIS DISTRESSES ME

Freitag
Freitag
8 years ago

I want to be a kitty too–how do I change my pic?

jumbofisch
jumbofisch
8 years ago

Snowy joined the cat cult too! 😮

creativewritingstudent
creativewritingstudent
8 years ago

@thebionicmummy

The Westboro Baptist Church scare the crap out of me. I don’t think they want any converts, they just want to spend their time hating gay people. Why would you be content to spend your life hating people?!

cloudiah
8 years ago

bunch of people here all got the same avatar

I am totally willing (eager, even) to join a cult of personality if the cult leader is a kitten.

ozymandias42
8 years ago

Hey Cliff I’m going to feud with you now

and start the Pervertocracy

It’s like the Pervocracy but BETTER and I CAN BAN PEOPLE I DON’T LIKE.

Sharculese
8 years ago

four of the top stories on avfm current feature slight variations on that picture of the blue ‘enter’ key that elam loves

truly a triumph of graphic design

ozymandias42
8 years ago

Also I will create MENZBOOBZ

and then I will ban ALL THE COMMENTERS

and talk to myself

katz
8 years ago
Cliff Pervocracy (@pervocracy)

oh yeah? well then I will start “No, Seriously, What About The Mans” and it will be the biggest male gender blog ever

also i welcome dissent but not from, y’know, dissenters

Linds
8 years ago

The cat cult of Myanboobz?

katz
8 years ago

Linds wins.

jumbofisch
jumbofisch
8 years ago

@everyone who wants cat avatar
http://neutralx0.net/tool/bnmk_e.html
1.) Go make your kitty!
2.) save kitty
3.) go to gravatar.com (the thing that deals with your avatar on wordpress)
4.)if you have an account already then log in, if not create an account using the email you use to post on manboobz
5.)click add an image,select from computer hardrive, and select your kitty pic
6.)crop pic to your liking and click crop and finish
7.)select the rating
8.)then check the email address you would like to use the pic for
9.)hopefully it works, it usually takes a few minutes so don’t panic if it doesn’t show at first.
10.)you are now kitty

cloudiah
8 years ago

11.) If you are not kitty after a few moments, remember to clear your cache.

Noadi
8 years ago

Yay, kitty!

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
8 years ago

The Westboro Baptist Church scare the crap out of me. I don’t think they want any converts, they just want to spend their time hating gay people. Why would you be content to spend your life hating people?!

I know, they’re terrible. Barack Obama did the commencement address for Joplin High School this year, and the WBC came here and did a protest. You would not believe the things they put on their signs. I would link to it, but it’s too awful. I’m still pissed at what they said, even though for them, that’s a win, because that’s what they want. Now Elam is doing the same thing. He’ll declare victory just by offending and upsetting people.

creativewritingstudent
creativewritingstudent
8 years ago

I clicked on that thing and it turns out you can make cats without facial features and oh god the kitty was expressive in front of Koh…

Freitag
Freitag
8 years ago

Soon I will be a cat!

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