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The whole world is watching … A Voice for Men “activists” making asses of themselves

Well,I got carried away there. It’s not literally the whole world. Only a teensy weensy portion of it.

The fellows at A Voice for Men, you see, evidently stung by criticism that they aren’t activists, have begun engaging in real, honest-to-goodness real-world activism, by which I mean that a handful of them, some in Canada and at least one in Australia, have been putting up posters advertising the AVFM website.

In other words, their activism consists of putting up posters for a website whose only activism thus far has consisted of putting up posters for itself.

Well, eventually they’ll get the hang of it, I guess.

In any case, the A Voice for Menners have discovered something about activism: if you do things that are offensive enough, people will be offended. And so they’ve managed to offend some people in Canada and in Australia where their posters have gone up. In Australia, there have even been a couple of news articles written about them! For example, one in Melbourne’s Herald Sun says:

A MAN who is littering the city with posters promoting a website that encourages men to support rapists has declined the opportunity to explain himself.

The website, which the Herald Sun has chosen not to name, is campaigning to get men sitting on juries for rape trials to “vow publicly to vote not guilty, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the charges are true”. …

The website’s publisher, Paul Elam, told the Herald Sun he was too busy watching the movie Air Force One to be interviewed, but later said by email he stood by the campaign.

Ooh! How very, very alpha of him.

Other articles (see here and here) describe the posters as “hate posters,” because one of them seems to suggest that women provoke domestic violence against themselves. The text of the poster reads “Domestic Violence Women Are Half the Problem.”

In fact, Elam and company are trying to suggest that women instigate half of all domestic violence, and thus are “half the problem,” but they’re so wedded to the easily misunderstood “half the problem” slogan that they somehow cannot seem to get this idea across in poster form. (This idea is itself incorrect, but that’s a whole other kettle of angry dudes.) Elam and company don’t quite seem to understand that an important part of activism is actually conveying your ideas to the general public rather than simply provoking people.

You can’t buy this kind of publicity!

Well, technically, you could, but no one would, because no one would willingly pay money for a publicity campaign that makes them appear to be hateful assholes — and in fact, even a teensy bit more hateful than they actually are.

So, congratulations, I guess?

If anyone wants to help AVFM in its publicity campaign, the super-sarcastic poster below, and a number of other poorly thought out and badly designed posters, can be downloaded from AVFM here by “anyone who wants to print and distribute them.”

Note: THIS IS A REAL AVFM POSTER. I didn’t make it up. See here.

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the twisted spinster
the twisted spinster
8 years ago

Oh noes not posters! I’m starting to feel faint… dizzy… urge to wear pink and go to the kitchen rising…

Nah, that was just acid reflux. I’m all better now.

BlueBee
BlueBee
8 years ago

I hope they don’t post more posters in Hamilton.

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

If I didn’t speak fluent NWOslave, my interpretation of that pear poster would be “????”.

But since sadly I do, I know that it actually means “rape is a myth feminists use to oppress men.”

Joanna
8 years ago

Oh sweet jebus….

the twisted spinster
the twisted spinster
8 years ago

Also, now envisioning a kettle of angry dudes, over a roaring fire. Add garlic, cumin, ginger, turmeric, cayenne pepper… spicy!

cloudiah
8 years ago

If I didn’t follow this blog, I wouldn’t understand the message of any of their posters! This is why they fail at propaganda and graphic design.

“The poster revolution has now begun!” They actually believe that is a thing.

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
8 years ago

BWAhahahahaha! The poster revolution! Posters of the world unite, and throw off the shackles of staples and glue! We posters will no longer tolerate being copied en masse, and plastered to boards and walls and telephone posts!

My goodness, that was awesome. Thanks for that, AVfM. Whew.

Pam
Pam
8 years ago

A MAN who is littering the city with posters promoting a website that encourages men to support rapists has declined the opportunity to explain himself.

The website, which the Herald Sun has chosen not to name, is campaigning to get men sitting on juries for rape trials to “vow publicly to vote not guilty, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the charges are true”. …

Now, if they were even half as adept at activism as they are at shooting themselves in the foot…

katz
8 years ago

The pear one has to have been designed specifically for Manboobzers, because I really don’t think anyone who hasn’t specifically watched the manosphere from a feminist site would have a clue what they were talking about.

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
8 years ago

You know, I’m having more and more experiences in which some obtuse loudmouth goes on and on and ON about their pet theory (or political position, or what have you), and every time I try to challenge them on an error or unbased assumption, they just repeat themselves.

It’s like they think that if they just say it often enough, or loudly enough, then their audience will go, “Oh! Of course, you’re right, I never saw it that way. I now fully agree with and support you!”

No, loudmouth, I understand you perfectly well. I just disagree with you. Because you are wrong.

The good news is, I’m getting more adept at disengaging and escaping.

BlueBee
BlueBee
8 years ago

Katz, my first thought of when they started talking pears was pear-shaped bodies. It makes a bit more sense to me.

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
8 years ago

Oh boy!! TiME TO GET SOME PERMANENT MARKERS!!!

I hope they start posting here! Can’t wait to deface me some posters!!!

And yes, I’ve seen the odd AVFM sticker around too. First thought was “no WAY! I’ve been reading Manboobz too much”. And then I checked, and it was AVFM.

And I laughed and laughed at the thought of someguy hastily plastering that sticker up and scurring away before anyone realized what he was doing.

sabresguy5
sabresguy5
8 years ago

The website’s publisher, Paul Elam, told the Herald Sun he was too busy watching the movie Air Force One to be interviewed, but later said by email he stood by the campaign.

“No, I think I’m going to pass on this free publicity to watch some movie.” Reason #47 why they aren’t a ‘movement’.

katz
8 years ago

BlueBee, I think it’s because “pear” is an anagram of “rape.” But that’s the sort of thing you’d only realize if you already knew what the poster meant.

BlueBee
BlueBee
8 years ago

Katz, I totally didn’t notice that. That makes much more sense though.

sthlivingincolor
8 years ago

That Herald-Sun article is too funny–love it!

And I’m sure the posters are going to have the new recruits lining up for the cause. Whatever the cause is, because you’d never learn what it is from those posters.

creativewritingstudent
creativewritingstudent
8 years ago

Maybe I haven’t been here long enough, but that ‘pear’ poster was pure WTF. I assume it has something to do with hating women because my default is [do not understand MRA bullshit] -> [assume it has something to do with hating women].

In regards to the first one… please clarify which human rights feminists plan to deprive men and boys of, because I cannot think of any.

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
8 years ago

Its a human right to be an utter asshole. What we deprive them of is the ability to act that way and get away with it or go unnoticed.

Chayanov
Chayanov
8 years ago

I figured out that “pear” is an anagram for “rape”, but then “that’s a nice pear” and “grow a pear” don’t make any sense in that context, since “pear” is being used in place of “pair”. Grow a rape? What’s that supposed to mean? Sadly, I’d bet they think that’s the most clever part of the poster.

feministgamer
feministgamer
8 years ago

Wow, it makes much more sense now that I see pear = rape. I thought pearist was just meant to be “sexist” or something. Now it’s EVEN STUPIDER.

Shaenon
8 years ago

The website’s publisher, Paul Elam, told the Herald Sun he was too busy watching the movie Air Force One to be interviewed, but later said by email he stood by the campaign.

This is the best worst thing I’ve seen in a newspaper since my husband’s hometown paper ran the side-by-side headlines METH USE UP IN LORAIN COUNTY and CHEESE FESTIVAL: MORE CHEESE, PLEASE!

creativewritingstudent
creativewritingstudent
8 years ago

@pillowinhell

It seems they get their “right to free speech” mixed up with “no responsibility of free speech”. Right to free speech means you can say whatever shitty, hateful thing you like. You just have to take responsibility for it. You have to accept that people will say it was a shitty, hateful thing. You have to accept that the people you’re saying shitty things about aren’t going to want to hang out with you any more and are going to say less-than-flattering things about you.They just want to say (and do) whatever the hell they want and everyone say “Yes, yes, you are right and awesome.”

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
8 years ago

As strange as this is for me to say…you’re preaching to the choir.

I don’t think they’re mixed up at all. I think they know damn well how free speech works and they are hoping that others don’t.

Tolerance only goes so far.

RubyHypatia
RubyHypatia
8 years ago

I’m glad someone explained that pear meant rape because I certainly didn’t understand that poster. Really, what notable woman said that all men are born rapists?

blitzgal
8 years ago

“No, I think I’m going to pass on this free publicity to watch some movie.” Reason #47 why they aren’t a ‘movement’.

Excellent observation!

Also, PERSONA!!!! I f’ing love those games.

2-D Man
2-D Man
8 years ago

I don’t think they’re mixed up at all. I think they know damn well how free speech works and they are hoping that others don’t.

I dunno. This is the group, after all, that made that idiotic pear poster. The odds of them understanding anything at all seem pretty low.

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
8 years ago

I figured out that “pear” is an anagram for “rape”, but then “that’s a nice pear” and “grow a pear” don’t make any sense in that context, since “pear” is being used in place of “pair”. Grow a rape? What’s that supposed to mean? Sadly, I’d bet they think that’s the most clever part of the poster.

Internal consistency isn’t really a thing for MRAs. Because they have to hold diametrically opposed things as equally true to support their belief system (e.g. women shouldn’t work AND women shouldn’t be financially dependent on their spouse), they don’t notice when they contradict themselves within the same poster. Or paragraph. Or sentence.

In fact, that was my biggest issue with TS. He kept insisting that two sentences in the same paragraph didn’t have to be related to each other, and the fact we kept interpreting them as having something to do with each other meant we were willfully misinterpreting him.

clairedammit
clairedammit
8 years ago

BWAhahahahaha! The poster revolution! Posters of the world unite, and throw off the shackles of staples and glue! We posters will no longer tolerate being copied en masse, and plastered to boards and walls and telephone posts!

Unimaginative, why are you so wheatpastist?

(wheatpasteist?)

creativewritingstudent
creativewritingstudent
8 years ago

In that case they’re probably trying to manipulate people’s good natures. No-one wants to hear they’ve ‘violated someone’s human rights’.

Unfortunately for them most peoples’ upper limit for bitgoted arseholery is higher than the fetid depths they’re spewing, which would shock them out of that doubt. (That was probably a wordy way of saying ‘tolerance only goes so far’…)

Maybe I am a bit charitable. I tend to assume idiocy before malice.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

I love ELame blowing off the press he’s been courting all this time. Guess it wasn’t positive enough for him. Some movement leader he is.

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
8 years ago

It’s especially funny that the movie he blew off the press for came out in 1997. Yeah, I can’t talk to you right now because it’s urgent that I catch up with 15-year-old entertainment.

Priorities are also not an MRA thing.

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
8 years ago

Elame was probably pissing himself with fear that he was about to hear how little people agree with him, that he would be roundly mocked and that men would not be secretly sending him email support. At least, not as many men as angry people bent on giving him a piece of their mind.

He might have been able to spin the posters, but that would have had to include a “this person is slightly mistaken” notpology to pull off. And, a lot of prayers that people don’t start pulling his own comments from his own blog.

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
8 years ago

@clairedammit

I have never heard of wheatpaste. Rather than google it, I will assume you’re making shit up to be offended by because you are an evil feminist looking for things to be offended by. Since that’s what we do, and all.

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

These posters make sense, in a world where all men are constantly surrounded by angry feminists and all men live in constant terror of being accused of rape. If you lived in that world, you wouldn’t need it spelled out what the fuck the MRAs are going on about.

…It’s really weird to think that they literally believe our world is like that.

aceofsevens
8 years ago

@creativewritingstudent: to guilt-trip someone, first that person would need to have some clue what they are talking about,

Zanana
Zanana
8 years ago

@Ruby, it’s a quote from a fictitious character in a novel, but MRAs cling to it as if it were some agreed-upon feminist tenet. See explanation here:

http://manboobz.com/2011/02/15/factchecking-a-list-of-hateful-quotes-from-feminists/

Wisteria
Wisteria
8 years ago

You know, there’s a reason most companies have a PR department and that all questions from media are to be addressed by that department, not by your average employee. Also most have a marketing communications department that worries a lot about building and maintaining the brand.

I vacillate between laughing at how inept they are and being truly grateful that they are so inept. If they were a bit savvier, they could actually be dangerous.

creativewritingstudent
creativewritingstudent
8 years ago

@aceofsevens

I didn’t say it was good manipulation. It’s like what someone said about the MRM being a ‘cargo cult social justice movement’.

Myoo
Myoo
8 years ago

That first poster, the one with the red borer, just fails so hard:
– the “with its lies and fake statistics” bit in parenthesis for some reason;
– the unclear clipart image;
– the “take the red pill” bit that would be totally incomprehensible to anyone who is not an MRA;
– the “Men’s rights are human rights” line in very small print at the bottom of the poster like it’s an afterthought;
– the fact that it’s a .BMP file;
– and last but most ridiculous, that row of exclamation points. I mean really, that’s the kind of thing you do to mock overly excited people on the Internet.

It’s like a parody of a poster but they’re being totally serious about it.

Also this one? I’m pretty sure that’s not oppression going on there.

Myoo
Myoo
8 years ago

*red border*

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

It’s like what someone said about the MRM being a ‘cargo cult social justice movement’.

Ooh, that’s a really good description in so many ways.

“We’re a real social justice movement, so we need… oppression! We need oppression. And slurs, those are important, let’s go pick out some slurs. Can we find any injustice? Well, crap, we might have to make some injustice up. Okay, moving along, media representations!”

“…And a clubhouse!”

creativewritingstudent
creativewritingstudent
8 years ago

I think that’s a dominatrix, but it looks more like a bad photocopy.

creativewritingstudent
creativewritingstudent
8 years ago

@Cliff Pervocracy

I think I first heard it on here, but I can’t remember who. It is a really good description though. 😀

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
8 years ago

inky sex oppresses men? Who knew?

Also, these guys need graphic design 101.

…And what is with the old fashioned 1930s print style anyways? Nothing says irrelevant to todays generation than old timey anachronistic black and white crap.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
8 years ago

inky sex oppresses men?

Yeah, those damn squid just ooze misandry! 😛

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

Pillowinhell – It’s not their fault. The government has evilly refused to provide free graphic design services for them! You know, the ones all feminist organizations automatically get?

gelar
gelar
8 years ago

the “take the red pill” bit that would be totally incomprehensible to anyone who is not an MRA;

Or anyone who hasn’t seen, or doesn’t remember that scene in The Matrix.

WordSpinner
WordSpinner
8 years ago

There was a really funny troll in the early days of Manboobz who brought up femdom erotica when asked to provide examples of misandry. Because clearly no men are sexually aroused by the idea of being dominated by women.

clairedammit
clairedammit
8 years ago

It’s like what someone said about the MRM being a ‘cargo cult social justice movement’.

Ooh, that’s a really good description in so many ways.

“We’re a real social justice movement, so we need… oppression! We need oppression. And slurs, those are important, let’s go pick out some slurs. Can we find any injustice? Well, crap, we might have to make some injustice up. Okay, moving along, media representations!”

“…And a clubhouse!”

Yeah, I had to think about it but then it made so much sense. “I’m not getting the attention I deserve. It’s unfair. I demand justice! Social justice!!!!!!!”

Their posters remind me of when my son was in kindergarten and wanted to start a club. The first thing he did was go to the computer, open up The Print Shop, and make business cards. Then he handed them out to his classmates at recess who wanted to be in the Rock Club, the purpose of which was to collect sparkly rocks on the playground. It was adorable when he did it. It’s not so adorable when grownups act like kindergarteners.

clairedammit
clairedammit
8 years ago

“Take the red pill” is also kind of insulting if you know what it means. It’s like screaming “Wake up, sheeple!”

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