Manosphere misogynists like to tell themselves fairy tales about women. Their favorite such tale, repeated endlessly, is one called “The Cock Carousel” – sometimes referred to in expanded form as the “Alpha Asshole Cock Carousel” or the “Bad Boy Cock Carousel.” (Hence that Rooster-riding gal you see in this blog’s header about half the time.)
Despite the different names, the story is always, monotonously, the same: In their late teens and twenties, when they’re at the height of their sexual appeal, women (or at least the overwhelming majority of them) have sex in rapid succession with an assortment of charismatic but unreliable alpha males and “bad boys” who make their vaginas (or just ‘ginas) tingle. Then, sometime in their mid-to-late twenties, these women “hit the wall,” with their so-called sexual market value (or SMV) dropping faster than Facebook’s stock price. As Roissy/Heartiste puts it, in his typically overheated prose:
So sad, so tragic, the inevitable slide into sexual worthlessness that accompanies women, the withering tick tock of the cosmic clock stripping their beauty in flayed bits of soulletting mignons like psychological ling chi. A sadistic thief in the night etching, billowing, draping and sagging a new affront to her most preciously guarded asset.
While many women try to pretend they’ve still “got it,” even at the ripe old age of thirty, they inevitably have to either get off or get thrown off the “cock carousel.” At this point the more savvy women glom onto some convenient “beta male” who, while somewhat lacking in sexual appeal, will at least be a good husband and provider for them – and in many cases the children they’ve had with alpha male seed. Those women who don’t accept the new reality are destined to end up alone and childless, surrounded by cats.
To borrow the phrase South Park used in its episodes about Scientology and Mormonism, this is what manosphere men actually believe. Not only that, but they claim that this fairy tale is based on real science.
So who are these mysterious alpha males that get the women so excited? As one guide to pickup artist (PUA) lingo puts it:
In animal hierarchies, the Alpha Male is the most dominant, and typically the physically strongest member of the group. For example, in wolf packs, the “alpha wolf” is the strongest member of the pack, and is the leader of the group. This position of leadership is often achieved by killing or defeating the previous Alpha Male in combat. Alpha wolves have first access to food as well as mating privileges with the females of the pack.
Social status among human social groups is less rigidly defined than in the animal kingdom, but there are some recognizable parallels. Although people don’t often engage in physical violence to achieve dominance, there are still recognizable leaders in different fields who have wide access to material resources and women.
Because the qualities of the Alpha Male (such as social dominance and leadership) are attractive to women, many PUAs have adopted these ideals as models of emulation. In fact, the term “alpha” has come be shorthand for the qualities of an attractive man, and it is a common refrain among PUAs to be “more alpha” or to “out alpha” competitors.
There’s a certain logic to all this. But unfortunately for the PUAs and other manospherians the notion of the Alpha male is based on bad science. The notion of Alpha dominance, as the definition above notes, came originally from studies of wolf packs. Even if we assume that wolf behavior is somehow a good model upon which to base our understanding of human romance – as manosphere men and evolutionary psychologists tend to do – the science behind the Alpha male wolf has now come completely undone, with many of those who promulgated the theory in the first place decades ago now explicitly repudiating it.
The problem, you see, is that the studies underlying the notion of the alpha male wolf, who aggressively asserts his dominance over beta males in order to rule the pack, were all based on observations of wolves in captivity. In the real world, wolf packs don’t work that way at all. Most wolf packs are basically wolf families, with a breeding pair and their pups. When male pups reach adulthood, they don’t fight their fathers for dominance — they go out and start their own families.
As noted wolf behavior expert L. David Mech, one of those who helped to establish and popularize the notion of the alpha wolf in the first place, explains on his website:
The concept of the alpha wolf is well ingrained in the popular wolf literature at least partly because of my book “The Wolf: Ecology and Behavior of an Endangered Species,” written in 1968, published in 1970, republished in paperback in 1981, and currently still in print, despite my numerous pleas to the publisher to stop publishing it. Although most of the book’s info is still accurate, much is outdated. We have learned more about wolves in the last 40 years then in all of previous history.
One of the outdated pieces of information is the concept of the alpha wolf. “Alpha” implies competing with others and becoming top dog by winning a contest or battle. However, most wolves who lead packs achieved their position simply by mating and producing pups, which then became their pack. In other words they are merely breeders, or parents, and that’s all we call them today, the “breeding male,” “breeding female,” or “male parent,” “female parent,” or the “adult male” or “adult female.” In the rare packs that include more than one breeding animal, the “dominant breeder” can be called that, and any breeding daughter can be called a “subordinate breeder.”
So the dominant male wolves – those whom manosphere dudes would still call the alphas – achieve this position not by being sexy badasses but simply by siring and taking responsibility for pups. To use the terminology in the manner of manosphere dudes, alphas become alphas by acting like betas. That’s right: alphas are betas. (For more of the details, see this paper by Mech; it’s in pdf form.)
Also, they’re wolves and not humans, but that’s a whole other kettle of anthropomorphized fish.
““You can safely ignore the mountains of evidence favoring the Alpha/Beta hierarchy in humans because some PUA was wrong about certain types of WOLVES! Soft/nurturing males (like me!) are therefore attractive. Squee!!””
If you try hard enough you can make human history fit the model of a variety of animal species. Its called a “just so story”, and anyone is capable of making one up. There is no way to reconcile the variety inherent in patterns of human interaction throughout history (and currently, across cultures) into a theory as simplistic as “alpha males vs beta males”.
Catholic priests: PUAs or MGTOW? The Pope has got Game…but the whole chastity thing…?
I think it’s kind of funny how many conservatives think X negative trait “ensured our survival.” It’s like, advanced handaxes and lower nutritional requirements allowed us to outcompete the Neanderthals and idaltu like 200 000 years ago. Then it was a done deal. From 200 000 years ago to 60 years ago, humanity was not in any actual danger of extinction.
This is pretty much my worldview and it pretty much explains everything I’ve ever seen. (Although “alpha” is so context-dependent that I’ve seen an adenoidal-voiced Aspie theoretical physicist with women hanging off of him as well as hanging on his every word.) It’s true that if I carry it through to its logical conclusion, I’d be a rapist, but like most human males I have the ability to feel empathy and the ability to defer gratification. PUA was an explanation and a liberation, a path to being a more masculine me while reading women well enough not to step on their toes. (Of course, I stay chatty and do nothing more than that a lot more often than virtually all other PUA-identified men.) And humans are not bonobos.
We can introduce you to a few friends if you are, but don’t try to spew that shit around here.
– Whatta ya mean we? 😉
This is why even when I was an MRA I thought that a lot of it was sketchy as all fuck. Also the fact that they try to hold on to these traits because they’re “human nature”.
@aworldanonymous
Truther is actually a great case in point of what I was talking about. See, he started by just arguing that a PUA talking point is a real thing. Immediately, we knew he was a moron. But if you don’t pick up on the signal, you might actually keep talking to him and not realize he’s a moron until he says that patriarchy is a great social structure because it’s been around for awhile, and we wouldn’t have survived without it.
In real life, by that point, you’d already be stuck in a conversation with an idiot.
citation needed
Why would yOu want to maintain a social order that has dropped yours, and everyone elses standard of living?
People still living in hunting and gathering tribes and have not been disturbed (read: forced off their traditional lands or forced into sharing with other groups of people where the human to square mile ratio cannot support them) are often healthier, happier and work FAR less to have everything they want
A truly horrendous example of bullshit evo-psych with extra woman-hating, courtesy of National Review: http://wonkette.com/481728/nro-ladies-should-love-mitt-romney-because-of-gold-digging-and-having-daughters-made-obama-gay
Shorter: women should vote for Romney cause he’s an alpha male and has only sons, not like that faggy fag with the daughters!
“And humans are not bonobos. – No. We’re not anything that isn’t a human. But we’re equidistant from them and chimpanzees. Sex at Dawn has its flaws, but it makes a lot more sense than your tale of woe.
“This is pretty much my worldview and it pretty much explains everything I’ve ever seen. (Although “alpha” is so context-dependent that I’ve seen an adenoidal-voiced Aspie theoretical physicist with women hanging off of him as well as hanging on his every word.”
Well, most people’s world view has the effect of explaining pretty much everything they’ve ever seen from their perspective which is why we adopt our world views.
If you just define Alpha as “successful with women” and therefore everybody who’s successful with women as an alpha- then yes, you’re right, that’s so “context dependent” it’s almost… Hmm…
@zhinxy
we have have had an influx of randroids recently. you, of course, can peddle all the shit you want. 😛
So I’ve basically come to the conclusion that the whole right wing vs. left wing thing really comes down to whether you value competition or co-operation.
“This is a completely true theory except that it does not predict future observations consistently.” You’d make a great scientist, Euro.
“It’s true that if I carry it through to its logical conclusion, I’d be a rapist.” False. Most wolf and ape sex happens only when females feel like mating.
@zhinxy
I should have rephrased that to say randroids instead of libertarians. Joe, Nomless, and Steele all seem to be glomming onto the virtue of selfishness bandwagon.
sthlivingincolor, shh! I think that might be the topic of my next post.
Don’t forget that, despite all evidence to the contrary, many right wingers also think they could win a real competition. I think that level of delusional is a requirement as well. :p
On the other hand, “Friendzone; the bar where you can hang out with men and women alike and there’s no flirting allowed” would be kinda nice.
OMG some one needs to create this, stat. I don’t have any start-up money, but I’d totally volunteer my time until our mythical bar got on its feet and started bringing in the dough. I predict that it would be wildly sucessful, spawning multiple franchises across the country. We could be zillionaires while doing an important service for humanity!
My grandma got married at 15 and had five kids with her abusive ex before he left her for a younger woman. This was back in the “good old days” the MRAs love, where her ex never had to pay a dime in child support or alimony. Grandma worked long, hard hours at a catering company (the only work she found where she’d get paid the same as a man), and after a long work week she often wanted to go have a drink. Of course, after being sexually harassed all day long (again, MRA paradise), the last thing she wanted was to spend her evening dealing with aggressive guys; she just wanted to wind down with a drink or three. So she usually went to the local lesbian bar so she could drink in peace–even though this was back when you could be arrested just for being in a lesbian bar. Yes, Grandma would rather risk being arrested than deal with drunk, pushy guys.
She would have loved the idea of Friendzone.
It’s also super context dependent. In most countries what is “left” and “right” shifts depending on which groups parties attempt to build into alliances. In the 1920s in Britain, conservatism and anti-nationalism was considered “right-wing.”
In the United States today, the only consistent feature of the right seems to be the total abhorrence o what experts have to say on anything.
“All hail PUA! PUA is love, shining, eternal and perfect!”
You what else humans aren’t? Fucking wolves.
@EEB
Considering it’s far far better than my idea for the Friend Zone, I’ll try it if I ever have enough money, even though in the city where I’m going to be living, the local “gay bar” called “Boom”is closer to a place you go to hang out with friends and have a good time than the PUA laden locales of I-Rock or Nicky-Zees. If I ever have the money I’m totally gonna start an old timey Irish style pub with the one rule of no flirting allowed.
Fixed it for ya! No no, don’t thank me. It was my pleasure.
“You know what else humans aren’t? Fucking wolves.”
Only ’cause we can’t catch ’em!
…Ba-dump tish!
No shit, duder. We wish we could be so awesome.
I like how it attacks this idea of the cock carousel when its veracity is not impacted at all by whether or not alpha wolves exist in the wild.