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Yo, dudes: Alpha males are a myth, according to actual experts on wolves

Manosphere misogynists like to tell themselves fairy tales about women. Their favorite such tale, repeated endlessly, is one called “The Cock Carousel” – sometimes referred to in expanded form as the “Alpha Asshole Cock Carousel” or the “Bad Boy Cock Carousel.” (Hence that Rooster-riding gal you see in this blog’s header about half the time.)

Despite the different names, the story is always, monotonously, the same: In their late teens and twenties, when they’re at the height of their sexual appeal, women (or at least the overwhelming majority of them) have sex in rapid succession with an assortment of charismatic but unreliable alpha males and “bad boys” who make their vaginas (or just ‘ginas) tingle. Then, sometime in their mid-to-late twenties, these women “hit the wall,” with their so-called sexual market value (or SMV) dropping faster than Facebook’s stock price. As Roissy/Heartiste puts it, in his typically overheated prose:

So sad, so tragic, the inevitable slide into sexual worthlessness that accompanies women, the withering tick tock of the cosmic clock stripping their beauty in flayed bits of soulletting mignons like psychological ling chi. A sadistic thief in the night etching, billowing, draping and sagging a new affront to her most preciously guarded asset.

While many women try to pretend they’ve still “got it,” even at the ripe old age of thirty, they inevitably have to either get off or get thrown off the “cock carousel.” At this point the more savvy women glom onto some convenient “beta male” who, while somewhat lacking in sexual appeal, will at least be a good husband and provider for them – and in many cases the children they’ve had with alpha male seed. Those women who don’t accept the new reality are destined to end up alone and childless, surrounded by cats.

To borrow the phrase South Park used in its episodes about Scientology and Mormonism, this is what manosphere men actually believe. Not only that, but they claim that this fairy tale is based on real science.

So who are these mysterious alpha males that get the women so excited? As one guide to pickup artist (PUA) lingo puts it:

In animal hierarchies, the Alpha Male is the most dominant, and typically the physically strongest member of the group. For example, in wolf packs, the “alpha wolf” is the strongest member of the pack, and is the leader of the group. This position of leadership is often achieved by killing or defeating the previous Alpha Male in combat. Alpha wolves have first access to food as well as mating privileges with the females of the pack.

Social status among human social groups is less rigidly defined than in the animal kingdom, but there are some recognizable parallels. Although people don’t often engage in physical violence to achieve dominance, there are still recognizable leaders in different fields who have wide access to material resources and women.

Because the qualities of the Alpha Male (such as social dominance and leadership) are attractive to women, many PUAs have adopted these ideals as models of emulation. In fact, the term “alpha” has come be shorthand for the qualities of an attractive man, and it is a common refrain among PUAs to be “more alpha” or to “out alpha” competitors.

There’s a certain logic to all this. But unfortunately for the PUAs and other manospherians the notion of the Alpha male is based on bad science. The notion of Alpha dominance, as the definition above notes, came originally from studies of wolf packs. Even if we assume that wolf behavior is somehow a good model upon which to base our understanding of human romance  – as manosphere men and evolutionary psychologists tend to do – the science behind the Alpha male wolf has now come completely undone, with many of those who promulgated the theory in the first place decades ago now explicitly repudiating it.

The problem, you see, is that the studies underlying the notion of the alpha male wolf, who aggressively asserts his dominance over beta males in order to rule the pack, were all based on observations of wolves in captivity. In the real world, wolf packs don’t work that way at all. Most wolf packs are basically wolf families, with a breeding pair and their pups. When male pups reach adulthood, they don’t fight their fathers for dominance — they go out and start their own families.

As noted wolf behavior expert L. David Mech, one of those who helped to establish and popularize the notion of the alpha wolf in the first place, explains on his website:

The concept of the alpha wolf is well ingrained in the popular wolf literature at least partly because of my book “The Wolf: Ecology and Behavior of an Endangered Species,” written in 1968, published in 1970, republished in paperback in 1981, and currently still in print, despite my numerous pleas to the publisher to stop publishing it. Although most of the book’s info is still accurate, much is outdated. We have learned more about wolves in the last 40 years then in all of previous history.

One of the outdated pieces of information is the concept of the alpha wolf. “Alpha” implies competing with others and becoming top dog by winning a contest or battle. However, most wolves who lead packs achieved their position simply by mating and producing pups, which then became their pack. In other words they are merely breeders, or parents, and that’s all we call them today, the “breeding male,” “breeding female,” or “male parent,” “female parent,” or the “adult male” or “adult female.” In the rare packs that include more than one breeding animal, the “dominant breeder” can be called that, and any breeding daughter can be called a “subordinate breeder.”

So the dominant male wolves – those whom manosphere dudes would still call the alphas – achieve this position not by being sexy badasses but simply by siring and taking responsibility for pups. To use the terminology in the manner of manosphere dudes, alphas become alphas by acting like betas. That’s right: alphas are betas. (For more of the details, see this paper by Mech; it’s in pdf form.)

Also, they’re wolves and not humans, but that’s a whole other kettle of anthropomorphized fish.

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Asixpack
Asixpack
10 years ago

If any of really read my unnessasary posts, then you will have realized that the whole conversation was a mistake. I dont want anyone to pity me or sympathize with me or even stroke my ego or anything of that sort.

If you dont like me coming back, then im not coming back.

I still request the admin to delete the whole unnessasary conversation.

Im sorry if i wasted your time. Lets pretend this conversation didnt happen and go on with our lives.

I still dont blame anyone else for my distrust for women other than myself and the circumstances that led to it.

Just forget me and everything i said. I know you all arent my personal therapists and i didnt expect any sympathy either.

Lets treat this as just another drunk post that led to my insignificant confessions.

Peace.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Nope, sorry, kid, you don’t get to decide how anyone else responds to your behavior.

pecunium
10 years ago

Asspack: “All my friends advised me to go for eastern women if i ever wanted to marry because they are generally more faithful.”

Racist claptrap. They are people, just like any other people (see my comment above about confidence.

When you say, “who I am is nobody’s fault”, you are lying. You choose to be this way. You admit you choose it.

So it’s your fault.

But I’m with your friends, don’t get married.

cheat. Its better for their boyfriends to get over it and realize that their faithful women are NOT who they think they are. Im just doing a service to those guys. Some of the times i make sure the guy somehow gets to know about the cheating *if she is not single.

Like I said, asshole. You got burnt, so; to get back at her, you are out to prove all women are cheats. If you can, you try to make sure her boyfriend gets a taste of what you got. So it’s not just women you treat as objects, but everyone.

And you know it. And you say it’s not really making you happy. And you say you will be able to do it, “better” if you get more money. And you don’t see yourself changing.

You are choosing it. You keep choosing it.

You choose to be an asshole.

Which makes you… an asshole.

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

A repeat flounce? I thought he didn’t care about our snarking.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Tough shit, kiddo, Maybe stop the day drinking? “I was drunk” really loses its charm as an excuse at an astonishing rate.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

LOL irony, “I Want You To Want Me” popped up on my iTunes while dudebro was whining.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Cheap Trick is awesome. Dudebro troll not so much.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

You’d think iTunes would have at least intuited where the conversation was going and provided us with some bitter indie boy whinging about girls being mean. I’m sure there’s some Interpol on here somewhere.

katz
10 years ago

If any of really read my unnessasary posts, then you will have realized that the whole conversation was a mistake.

Yep.

And you’re going to live with the consequences.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: Asixpack

If you dont like me coming back, then im not coming back.

And yet, here you are. Coming back. Again. Just go. Nobody’s stopping you. Just leave.

Lets pretend this conversation didnt happen and go on with our lives.

Because that’s working out so well for you, isn’t it?

I still dont blame anyone else for my distrust for women other than myself and the circumstances that led to it.

Yeah, that’s why you keep talking about how all women cheat.

RE: Shiraz

I’m gaping here, LBT. He actually said, “At least you’re getting some”? Jesus Christ.

Yup. He’s not the only guy who wanted to fuck me who said something along those lines too. He’s not even the WORST, believe it or not, just the funniest. I’ve noticed a lot of cis guys seriously do not seem to comprehend the very CONCEPT of rape. They just think of it as sex that maybe you’re not entirely thrilled about.

This is why I think we get a lot of those trolls who claim women constantly cry rape, because they imagine rape to be this minor inconvenience that women are freaking out over. They don’t imagine it as being “curled in the fetal position crying” afterward. Presumably because they think I’m sexy, and doing that doesn’t fit in their sexy fantasy version of me.

Which really makes me laugh. I wish I’d had the luxury to have such illusions of sex at such a late age.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

This song seems relevant:

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Indeed, though if this is what little brothers are like I’m suddenly glad I don’t have one.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

You’d think iTunes would have at least intuited where the conversation was going and provided us with some bitter indie boy whinging about girls being mean. I’m sure there’s some Interpol on here somewhere.

Buzzcocks’ “What Do I Get” is the whiny dudebro anthem of all time.

contrapangloss
10 years ago

Okay, let’s do some quick calculations:

Returning after a flounce: Penalty -2
Appeal to Admin to erase his epic fail (or flail): -3
Admitting that no one else caused his jerkiness: +1 (tentative, may not be sincere)
Appeal to drunkenness: -1

Revised flounce score: -3/10

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Or anything nu metal.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

On the appeal to drunkenness thing, just how long has he been drunk for? That’s how people flunk out of college, dude. Get your shit together.

pecunium
10 years ago

Shiraz: I’m just curious how he expected the conversation to go, katz.

Honestly, I think he expecte to be able to sneak the last word in; so the thread would end with, “alphas do too exist, neener-neener!”, and he could revel in the manliness of his coup.

Then he thought he could cover that, when we said it was bullshit, with his sob story about how he’s just taking advantage of female nature to “get back” at women for being the evil sex-fiends they are.

And we didn’t by that either, Not only that we took him to task for being a sorry-assed excuse for a human being, and called him on his shit.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: cassandrakitty

…not gonna lie, it reminds me a lot of my younger brother, who has a history of self-medicating his depression with weed and booze. I’m okay with helping him as best I can from afar, but… let’s just say I’m not inviting him up to stay with me any time soon.

pecunium
10 years ago

Asspack: just delete all my posts. I dont care what you think. If you think im a troll then, whatever floats your boat. Lets pretend this didnt happen. My dysfunctional life dosent need a bunch of feminists making snark comments at me.

If you don’t care, then it doesn’t matter what we think, nor how snarky we are.

But you do care. You decided you could make a snarky comment at the tail end of an old post and your ass was served up to you on a plate. If I were you, and thought my “friends” might see how ineptly I’d argued with, “feminists” and how thoroughly they’d shredded the sad state of existence you claim to be living… I’d want to see that go down the memory hole too.

If any of really read my unnessasary posts, then you will have realized that the whole conversation was a mistake.

I agree (and the stupidity you spouted about women and men and the [non-existent] draft, and how they make shitty soldiers. I’m not fogetting that son). Not for the reasons you think. It was a mistake because you aren’t being honest with yourself, and you expect us to cut you some slack.

Im sorry if i wasted your time. Lets pretend this conversation didnt happen and go on with our lives.

First, you are’t sorry. You are apologetic. Second, it didn’t waste our time. We enjoy this. That you didn’t is to be expected. You didn’t think before you acted. It bit you on the ass.

I still dont blame anyone else for my distrust for women other than myself and the circumstances that led to it.

There you go, lying to yourself again. You blame the woman who broke your heart,and then you blame all the other women in the world for not making you feel better.

Lets treat this as just another drunk post that led to my insignificant confessions.

I have. But as I said before, the bottle doesn’t talk, it just gives you enough in the way of diminished inhibitions to let some of your true self out. It’s just that your true self is an asshole.

Sucks to be you.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

That’s your brother, though. When it’s some random person on the internet.

WAAHHHH BE MY MOMMY!!!

No.

katz
10 years ago

My dysfunctional life dosent need a bunch of feminists making snark comments at me.

Then a feminist snark blog may not have been the wisest place for your drunken feelings dump.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

BTW, speaking of sweet submissive “Eastern” women…

Doris would eat you for breakfast and use your bones as toothpicks, whiny boy.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Oh, LOL, I missed this:

My dysfunctional life dosent need a bunch of feminists making snark comments at me.

Way to read the room, champ.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: cassandrakitty

That’s your brother, though.

That’s true. Also, my brother has some redeeming characteristics: he’s in school and working, our parents have cut him off and aren’t really giving him any assistance, and he doesn’t WHINE. He’s obstinate, he’s afraid, he’s miserable… but he at least doesn’t expect me to save him. Also, I can leave at any time. Stranger on the Internet, he is not.

RE: katz

Then a feminist snark blog may not have been the wisest place for your drunken feelings dump.

I KNOW RIGHT? The hell did he THINK would happen?

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

Guys, how many trolls have we gotten that seem shocked that on a mockery site, we MOCK THINGS? I swear, it’s like some epidemic of reading incomprehension.

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