Manosphere misogynists like to tell themselves fairy tales about women. Their favorite such tale, repeated endlessly, is one called “The Cock Carousel” – sometimes referred to in expanded form as the “Alpha Asshole Cock Carousel” or the “Bad Boy Cock Carousel.” (Hence that Rooster-riding gal you see in this blog’s header about half the time.)
Despite the different names, the story is always, monotonously, the same: In their late teens and twenties, when they’re at the height of their sexual appeal, women (or at least the overwhelming majority of them) have sex in rapid succession with an assortment of charismatic but unreliable alpha males and “bad boys” who make their vaginas (or just ‘ginas) tingle. Then, sometime in their mid-to-late twenties, these women “hit the wall,” with their so-called sexual market value (or SMV) dropping faster than Facebook’s stock price. As Roissy/Heartiste puts it, in his typically overheated prose:
So sad, so tragic, the inevitable slide into sexual worthlessness that accompanies women, the withering tick tock of the cosmic clock stripping their beauty in flayed bits of soulletting mignons like psychological ling chi. A sadistic thief in the night etching, billowing, draping and sagging a new affront to her most preciously guarded asset.
While many women try to pretend they’ve still “got it,” even at the ripe old age of thirty, they inevitably have to either get off or get thrown off the “cock carousel.” At this point the more savvy women glom onto some convenient “beta male” who, while somewhat lacking in sexual appeal, will at least be a good husband and provider for them – and in many cases the children they’ve had with alpha male seed. Those women who don’t accept the new reality are destined to end up alone and childless, surrounded by cats.
To borrow the phrase South Park used in its episodes about Scientology and Mormonism, this is what manosphere men actually believe. Not only that, but they claim that this fairy tale is based on real science.
So who are these mysterious alpha males that get the women so excited? As one guide to pickup artist (PUA) lingo puts it:
In animal hierarchies, the Alpha Male is the most dominant, and typically the physically strongest member of the group. For example, in wolf packs, the “alpha wolf” is the strongest member of the pack, and is the leader of the group. This position of leadership is often achieved by killing or defeating the previous Alpha Male in combat. Alpha wolves have first access to food as well as mating privileges with the females of the pack.
Social status among human social groups is less rigidly defined than in the animal kingdom, but there are some recognizable parallels. Although people don’t often engage in physical violence to achieve dominance, there are still recognizable leaders in different fields who have wide access to material resources and women.
Because the qualities of the Alpha Male (such as social dominance and leadership) are attractive to women, many PUAs have adopted these ideals as models of emulation. In fact, the term “alpha” has come be shorthand for the qualities of an attractive man, and it is a common refrain among PUAs to be “more alpha” or to “out alpha” competitors.
There’s a certain logic to all this. But unfortunately for the PUAs and other manospherians the notion of the Alpha male is based on bad science. The notion of Alpha dominance, as the definition above notes, came originally from studies of wolf packs. Even if we assume that wolf behavior is somehow a good model upon which to base our understanding of human romance – as manosphere men and evolutionary psychologists tend to do – the science behind the Alpha male wolf has now come completely undone, with many of those who promulgated the theory in the first place decades ago now explicitly repudiating it.
The problem, you see, is that the studies underlying the notion of the alpha male wolf, who aggressively asserts his dominance over beta males in order to rule the pack, were all based on observations of wolves in captivity. In the real world, wolf packs don’t work that way at all. Most wolf packs are basically wolf families, with a breeding pair and their pups. When male pups reach adulthood, they don’t fight their fathers for dominance — they go out and start their own families.
As noted wolf behavior expert L. David Mech, one of those who helped to establish and popularize the notion of the alpha wolf in the first place, explains on his website:
The concept of the alpha wolf is well ingrained in the popular wolf literature at least partly because of my book “The Wolf: Ecology and Behavior of an Endangered Species,” written in 1968, published in 1970, republished in paperback in 1981, and currently still in print, despite my numerous pleas to the publisher to stop publishing it. Although most of the book’s info is still accurate, much is outdated. We have learned more about wolves in the last 40 years then in all of previous history.
One of the outdated pieces of information is the concept of the alpha wolf. “Alpha” implies competing with others and becoming top dog by winning a contest or battle. However, most wolves who lead packs achieved their position simply by mating and producing pups, which then became their pack. In other words they are merely breeders, or parents, and that’s all we call them today, the “breeding male,” “breeding female,” or “male parent,” “female parent,” or the “adult male” or “adult female.” In the rare packs that include more than one breeding animal, the “dominant breeder” can be called that, and any breeding daughter can be called a “subordinate breeder.”
So the dominant male wolves – those whom manosphere dudes would still call the alphas – achieve this position not by being sexy badasses but simply by siring and taking responsibility for pups. To use the terminology in the manner of manosphere dudes, alphas become alphas by acting like betas. That’s right: alphas are betas. (For more of the details, see this paper by Mech; it’s in pdf form.)
Also, they’re wolves and not humans, but that’s a whole other kettle of anthropomorphized fish.
@blitzgal
Actually… not even that.
But I suppose this is beyond the realm of complicated for your average PUA…
I… don’t drink coffee? I realized earlier this week I haven’t had caffeine in 19 years except as found in chocolate. God I’m old.
There’s also the whole thing where humans are not brainless slaves to biological urges wrought by evolution thousands of years ago, and that our brains have changed significantly since hunter-gatherer times, and society and culture have altered radically from then as well, all of which means using what people maybe used to do when there were only a few thousand of our species roaming the earth as a template for life is beyond ridiculous.
But you knew that, of course. 😉
Yes, they do know that.
In one breath they say women are capable of moderating their biological urges (and berating them for not doing it), in the next they pretend men can’t do the same (and berate women for saying they could).
Has anyone pointed out yet that the applicability of a model to humans is completely unrelated to its applicability to wolves? If you really want unnecessary biological analogies, go read up on primates, who are much more relevant anyway; Robert Anton Wilson (who was not at all an MRA) was doing that before Roissy, or even blogs. But it’s *unnecessary*: the only metric by which conceptual tools can be judged is how well they correspond to reality, and if the broad categories ‘alpha’ and ‘beta’ are utterly useless in interpreting and predicting human action, or if people clearly in the ‘alpha’ category don’t have more sexual success than people in the ‘beta’ category, I’m not sure what planet you’re on.
OT, but I’ve got a job interview in about 45 minutes. If anybody has any luck to spare, would you mind sending some my way? I promise I’ll give it back once I’m done.
If I am hired, I promise to use the money responsibly on food, rent, gas, donations to Planned Parenthood, a purchase of one of the ‘We Hunted The Mammoth To Feed You’ aprons, and possibly the start of a Magic: The Gathering deck. Priorities, you know.
Good luck Amnesia! *fingers crossed*
Amnesia, I am sending you lots and lots of luck!
Flat outta luck, sorry. But I hope you get the job!
The Zionist Pick Up Artist, eh?
Non religious Zionists make less sense than religious ones.
Internet is wow.
Good luck, Amnesia!
Kitty, don’t drink coffee!!
I have a soy milk thief. It takes him literally two seconds to notice that I’ve stepped away from my glass, jump up, shove his head in there are start slurping away. The big poo.
I had a big black kitty that had a real thing for coffee. But only out of my cup. If I left it unattended, he’d be face-first in the cup, lapping away. And we all know what he’d been licking right before, don’t we.
You’re quite literally begging the question here. The definition of “alpha” is “gets more than a beta,” and the definition of “beta” is “gets less than an alpha.”
So if someone gets more action than you, you categorize him as an alpha, and yourself as a beta, and start up the pity party.
The alpha/beta “metric” is utter rubbish at analyzing and predicting human behavior or social interactions.
Earth. You know, the blue one with 7 billion complex individual humans.
So, married dudes with children get more than guys still living with their parents…
Sounds right to me! Your understanding is coming along fine!
Men who have lots of sex have more sex than men who do not have lots of sex!
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Amnesia: I forgot my luck. 🙂
Break a leg, and here’s to T-shirts and PP donations and rent and gorceries, etc.
Ugh, I know, whenever my cats get into my food/drink, I’m torn between an immediate fear that it might make them sick, and revulsion that they were probably just licking their asses right before then. My female cat loves carrots, tortillas, and potstickers. The boy will eat just about anything. If he’s sitting next to me while I’m eating, I’ll see this little paw sneaking toward the plate, trying to snag something. My cats are freakin’ weird.
I think that maybe PUAs get wolves mixed up with horses? To my knowledge, wild horse dynamics work a bit like they think wolves do (and actually don’t.) So shouldn’t douchebros be going around tagging everyone as “stallion” or “gelding” or something?
@pecunium
Since you (sort of) asked…
The Unitarians are a fairly egalitarian bunch (and a good thing they are since the first Unitarian Universalist principle is to respect the inherent worth and dignity of every living being), but like you say with the Quakers, there are certainly people in a given UU church or community that have more influence. That’s bound to happen in any group. Still, the UUs do make a good effort to try and let everyone have their say. Makes me miss it a bit.
Another great thing about the UUs: really effing thorough sex ed for adolescents. I just hope they’re not still showing that 1970s masturbation filmstrip.
Of course, humans are primates, so perhaps looking to them is a better measure of how we act.
Wait, we have a Zionist PUA here?This’ll be fun.
Actually, some secular Zionists (like some secular Palestinian nationalists) have the advantage of believing it’s a national political issue capable of being resolved between two states by normal means of statecraft. Some of the religious on both sides just want to play Last Man Standing. (Some of the secular, too.) Some of the religious have weird and wonderful ideas of a stateless religious condominium. Some of the secular want a stateless commune. Some want an Arab/Jewish socialist state. The only thing guaranteed is weirdness.
I goofed, Palestine-based *Mennonites* (not Hutterites, not Templars, my bad) are communitarian and well-behaved, as are the Friends. I don’t have direct experience of other groups. The Mennonites run schools and relief efforts in Bethlehem, the Quakers are in Haifa. /end of OT
I have a shitty worldview, sure, but I don’t actively use it to hurt women. The idea is to playfully engage women. You must be reading different “gurus”.
Wait, we have a Newfie? This’ll be fun.
I’m a New Brunswicker, Close, but you don’t get to make Newfie jokes Euro.