Manosphere misogynists like to tell themselves fairy tales about women. Their favorite such tale, repeated endlessly, is one called “The Cock Carousel” – sometimes referred to in expanded form as the “Alpha Asshole Cock Carousel” or the “Bad Boy Cock Carousel.” (Hence that Rooster-riding gal you see in this blog’s header about half the time.)
Despite the different names, the story is always, monotonously, the same: In their late teens and twenties, when they’re at the height of their sexual appeal, women (or at least the overwhelming majority of them) have sex in rapid succession with an assortment of charismatic but unreliable alpha males and “bad boys” who make their vaginas (or just ‘ginas) tingle. Then, sometime in their mid-to-late twenties, these women “hit the wall,” with their so-called sexual market value (or SMV) dropping faster than Facebook’s stock price. As Roissy/Heartiste puts it, in his typically overheated prose:
So sad, so tragic, the inevitable slide into sexual worthlessness that accompanies women, the withering tick tock of the cosmic clock stripping their beauty in flayed bits of soulletting mignons like psychological ling chi. A sadistic thief in the night etching, billowing, draping and sagging a new affront to her most preciously guarded asset.
While many women try to pretend they’ve still “got it,” even at the ripe old age of thirty, they inevitably have to either get off or get thrown off the “cock carousel.” At this point the more savvy women glom onto some convenient “beta male” who, while somewhat lacking in sexual appeal, will at least be a good husband and provider for them – and in many cases the children they’ve had with alpha male seed. Those women who don’t accept the new reality are destined to end up alone and childless, surrounded by cats.
To borrow the phrase South Park used in its episodes about Scientology and Mormonism, this is what manosphere men actually believe. Not only that, but they claim that this fairy tale is based on real science.
So who are these mysterious alpha males that get the women so excited? As one guide to pickup artist (PUA) lingo puts it:
In animal hierarchies, the Alpha Male is the most dominant, and typically the physically strongest member of the group. For example, in wolf packs, the “alpha wolf” is the strongest member of the pack, and is the leader of the group. This position of leadership is often achieved by killing or defeating the previous Alpha Male in combat. Alpha wolves have first access to food as well as mating privileges with the females of the pack.
Social status among human social groups is less rigidly defined than in the animal kingdom, but there are some recognizable parallels. Although people don’t often engage in physical violence to achieve dominance, there are still recognizable leaders in different fields who have wide access to material resources and women.
Because the qualities of the Alpha Male (such as social dominance and leadership) are attractive to women, many PUAs have adopted these ideals as models of emulation. In fact, the term “alpha” has come be shorthand for the qualities of an attractive man, and it is a common refrain among PUAs to be “more alpha” or to “out alpha” competitors.
There’s a certain logic to all this. But unfortunately for the PUAs and other manospherians the notion of the Alpha male is based on bad science. The notion of Alpha dominance, as the definition above notes, came originally from studies of wolf packs. Even if we assume that wolf behavior is somehow a good model upon which to base our understanding of human romance – as manosphere men and evolutionary psychologists tend to do – the science behind the Alpha male wolf has now come completely undone, with many of those who promulgated the theory in the first place decades ago now explicitly repudiating it.
The problem, you see, is that the studies underlying the notion of the alpha male wolf, who aggressively asserts his dominance over beta males in order to rule the pack, were all based on observations of wolves in captivity. In the real world, wolf packs don’t work that way at all. Most wolf packs are basically wolf families, with a breeding pair and their pups. When male pups reach adulthood, they don’t fight their fathers for dominance — they go out and start their own families.
As noted wolf behavior expert L. David Mech, one of those who helped to establish and popularize the notion of the alpha wolf in the first place, explains on his website:
The concept of the alpha wolf is well ingrained in the popular wolf literature at least partly because of my book “The Wolf: Ecology and Behavior of an Endangered Species,” written in 1968, published in 1970, republished in paperback in 1981, and currently still in print, despite my numerous pleas to the publisher to stop publishing it. Although most of the book’s info is still accurate, much is outdated. We have learned more about wolves in the last 40 years then in all of previous history.
One of the outdated pieces of information is the concept of the alpha wolf. “Alpha” implies competing with others and becoming top dog by winning a contest or battle. However, most wolves who lead packs achieved their position simply by mating and producing pups, which then became their pack. In other words they are merely breeders, or parents, and that’s all we call them today, the “breeding male,” “breeding female,” or “male parent,” “female parent,” or the “adult male” or “adult female.” In the rare packs that include more than one breeding animal, the “dominant breeder” can be called that, and any breeding daughter can be called a “subordinate breeder.”
So the dominant male wolves – those whom manosphere dudes would still call the alphas – achieve this position not by being sexy badasses but simply by siring and taking responsibility for pups. To use the terminology in the manner of manosphere dudes, alphas become alphas by acting like betas. That’s right: alphas are betas. (For more of the details, see this paper by Mech; it’s in pdf form.)
Also, they’re wolves and not humans, but that’s a whole other kettle of anthropomorphized fish.
@Quackers- It doesn’t make sense to me when PUA’s make the argument that young women are best for breeding, when the entire PUA mentality is about getting a lot of no-strings-attached SEX, not making tons of babies with tons of different women.
If anything, young, inexperienced women are simply easier to manipulate, exploit and abuse by shallow douchehounds who have no real social or sexual skills because of said young woman’s’ age and lack of experience. That’s VERY different than being more “sexually arousing”- unless the predator only finds victim-vibes sexually…….oh. Right.
I’m just pulling this outta my ass here, but I’m guessing it’s like house plants blooming like crazy when they’re root-bound. A last gasp at reproducing before they die?
On the other hand, Dr. Ruth said this:
So there’s that.
Also, women in their 40’s have maybe had enough practice that they know what they like and are just better at having sex. You know, in the sense that they’re not terrified virgins or are afraid they’re doing it wrong, or go along with un-fun stuff to please their partners. They’ve learned how to relax and enjoy it more, and make sure it’s fun for them.
Yeah, feel free to ignore the whole house plant thing. That was dumb, and I’m kind of embarrassed by it.
Well, aren’t you just a ray of sunshine? XD
@Nanasha
I’ve just accepted that younger looking women are going to be considered more attractive (youth has always been correlated with beauty) but yeah, the exploitable naivety and manipulation has something to do with it too…especially because they aren’t even satisfied with 18 years old being the legal age, they want it lower and lower. Being attracted to youthfulness is one thing, insisting that you should be able to bang 15 year olds is another. The latter are predators.
The breeding and fertility argument is just an excuse for their sleazy, manipulative behavior (that is the issue, not non-manipulative and fun NSA casual sex) They have no interest in having kids. They just think we’re dumb enough to fall for their evo psych BS about fertile women, birthing hips, etc. They should just come out and say it, they want to manipulate young women into sex then never see them again. Like women haven’t been warned about these creeps since they hit puberty.
Anyway, since bugs were being discussed, here’s a cute and fuzzy puss caterpillar (yes that is what it’s actually called XD)
@Unimaginative
The peak thing makes sense. There may be a pattern with women in their 30s and 40s but like pretty much everything else it’s down to the individual.
@Unimaginative- it’s also quite possible that many women (and men) find more and varied ways to express themselves in a full and fulfilled manner than simply “having sex.” Some might masturbate. Others might find a passion outside the bedroom.
I think that there’s something about getting to a certain age and realizing that all that “putting up appearances” shit is isolating and unfulfilling and after an initial “why the hell did I waste so much of my time doing shit that I hated” freakout, most people get down to the business of LIVING, however they define living.
Sometimes that involves good sex. Sometimes that involves saying “fuck this shit- I don’t really want to waste my time on sex because of my past bad experiences and I want to find something else that moves me.”
Sometimes it means something else.
The MRAs might hate people who become self aware like this, but I think that it’s simply amazing that we live in such a society where that is even possible (although I dearly wish that we could reach that state earlier instead of being so susceptible to exploitation and abuse early on in life).
also the lady in that video is right when she says not to touch it. The fur is actually spines with venom, very painful if you touch it.
@Quackers- ZOMG A REAL LIFE TRIBBLE.
studying insects would have been a cool career choice. Except some of them I like and have no problem touching, others I don’t want to be in the same room with. I’m a bigot I know 🙁
I did not know that about mantids. Huh.
In other news:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/expresident/animals-hanging-out-with-miniature-versions-of-the?s=mobile
@Nanasha
Haha oh yeah that fuzzy thing from Star Trek that they used as inspiration for Popplers in Futurama XD
@Quackers
That caterpillar kind of reminds me of the catbus from “My Neighbour Totoro”.
@aworldanonymous
Yep I see it too now! XD
@ kristinmh: D’Awww!
@kristinmh
oh the Lion King quotes that will come from image 6!
@Nanasha
It would have been chimps. Bonobos are matriarchal; a bonobo troop poisoning incident would most strongly effect the dominant females and their babies, as the babies get the best of everything their mothers can find.
That tribble catbus thing was amazing. XD
It was baboons: http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2004/04/13-01.html
That caterpillar really does look like the nekobasu!
@kristinmh
I shall call him *touches pinkie finger to corner of mouth* Mini-Me.
My support group watched a video about this study. It was baboons. The dominant males had been taking the easy pickings from a restaurant or somesuch that was throwing its rotten meat in an easily accessible dumpster.
And EVEN IN CAPTIVITY the “alpha male” don’t get to fuck around with all the bitches. He’ll only fuck with the “alpha female”, who’s the toughest fighter among the bitches. So that PUA shit David is quoting isn’t even based on old wolf research on wolves in captivity. It’s based on nothing at all.
My theory (dreamed up in half a second) about women’s fertility vs sexual peak – the sex gets better as your chances of conceiving recede! 😉