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Men’s Rights Redditors: We don’t mind your racist hysteria, but don’t you EVER try to creep-shame us!

The dude who calls himself mayonesa on Reddit is a race-obsessed right winger who moderates (and provides much of the content for) several far-right subreddits devoted to “ethno-nationalism” and “scientific” racism. He’s also an MRA and a regular poster to the Men’s Rights subreddit. When he complains there about the terrible injustices allegedly faced by white men in academia, as he does here, he gets upvotes:

This, by contrast, got him a bunch of downvotes:

Defending hetero white dudes from the evil black lesbians that apparently control academia, a-ok! Suggesting that MRAs can’t get dates: heresy!

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Dvärghundspossen
12 years ago

About Jarred, I do get the feeling that people are being a bit hostile to him. I didn’t read all his posts, but it seems like there was both some genuine disagreement and some misunderstandings in a discussion about porn, and now he’s sort of been branded “the enemy”. ????

Jarrod
Jarrod
12 years ago

I SHOULD CLARIFY THAT I THINK THE BOOK IN QUESTION IS PROBABLY A GOOD INSIGHT INTO WHY I AM SO INSECURE AND DEFENSIVE ABOUT THE THINGS I WRITE. I DO NOT THINK IT IS PARTICULARLY SURPRISING THAT YOU GET DEFENSIVE ABOUT THE WISDOM OF CROWDS WHEN THOSE CROWDS HAVE CONSTANTLY TOLD YOU THAT YOU ARE A TERRIBLE HUMAN BEING FOR BEING GAY, OR THAT HIGHER EDUCATION IS NOT A THING THAT IS ACCESSIBLE TO YOU, NOT FOR REASONS NECESSARILY RELATED TO COSTS, BUT RATHER BECAUSE WORKING CLASS PEOPLE, LIKE GAYS, ARE INFERIOR BY NATURE. I ALSO HAVE A HISTORY OF SERIOUS MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS, THAT WHILE RELATIVELY MINOR NOW, HAVE IN THE PAST MADE ME SERIOUSLY DOUBT MYSELF IN A WAY THAT FEW PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. TRUTH BE TOLD IS THAT WHEN ENGLISH PROF CALLED ME AN ENTITLED YOUNG MAN, IT MADE ME VERY HAPPY BECAUSE MY ENTITLEMENT HAS MADE ME A MUCH BETTER PERSON THAN WHEN I WAS CERTAIN THAT EVERY CONTRARY THOUGHT I HAD (SUCH AS “BEING GAY IS OK”) WAS PROOF THAT I WAS COMPLETELY AND INCURABLY ILL. REST ASSURED THOUGH, THAT THIS INSECURITY AND AGGRESSIVENESS ONLY RESULTS FROM COMMUNICATION ON THE INTERNET. IN REAL LIFE I AM QUIET AND CUDDLY AND OPEN TO CHANGE.

I THINK THAT THIS WAS SUBCONSCIOUSLY BOTHERING ME YESTERDAY, IN LIGHT OF THE COMMENT THAT I WAS BEING INSECURE BECAUSE I AM A WHITE MALE WHO HAS NEVER BEEN CRITICIZED. WHILE ME BEING A WHITE MALE HAS PROBABLY HELPED ME AVOID CRITICISM ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS, I DON’T THINK THAT IT THE REASON FOR MY DEFENSIVENESS NOW.

BUT JUMBOFISH IS RIGHT, I DO NOT BELONG HERE. IT IS MY FAULT THAT I AM SO INSECURE, NOBODY ELSES. IT WAS MY INTENTION TO NOT POST ANYMORE FOR THAT REASON, BUT I COULD NOT HELP IT–I WANTED TO CONTRIBUTE MY SPECIALZ LINK. IF DAVE COULD BAN MY IP FROM COMMENTING I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

FINALLY, I APOLOGIZE FOR HITTING THE POST COMMENT BUTTON. I KNOW THIS IS A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT.

amandajane5
amandajane5
12 years ago

Jarrod spoke poorly, was called out to clarify, refused to clarify, and went on to say that we were all being stupid, because clearly he was being clear. He’s doing the same thing here. Not stating a point and expecting everyone to read your mind? Not a particularly good place for it. Being called out for being unclear/wrong and doubling down on how people should read your mind, also not cool. His only positive points that I’ve seen are frantically and immediately distancing himself from Steele when Mikey started one of his friendship overtures. But I could’ve missed something.

katz
12 years ago

JARROD I THINK YOU COULD GET ALONG WITH THE PEOPLE HERE IF YOU MAKE AN EFFORT TO FOLLOW THE CONVENTIONS OF THE FORUM!

IF YOU POP UP AND THE FIRST THING YOU SAY IS TO DISAGREE WITH PEOPLE, WE HAVE NO IDEA IF YOU’RE COOL OR NOT! ALL WE KNOW IS THAT YOU DISAGREE ABOUT SOMETHING! FOR ALL WE KNOW, YOU MIGHT DISAGREE WITH EVERYONE ABOUT EVERYTHING! YOU WILL GET A BETTER RECEPTION IF YOU GO WITH THE FLOW WHEN YOU FIRST SHOW UP; THAT WAY WE CAN ASSOCIATE YOU WITH SOMETHING OTHER THAN “THAT GUY WHO DISAGREES ABOUT STUFF!”

SAME WITH POSTING LINKS WITH NO COMMENTARY! WE DON’T KNOW YOU, SO WE DON’T KNOW IF YOU AGREE WITH THE LINK, DISAGREE, ARE JUST SPAMMING YOUR BLOG, ETC! IF YOU TELL US WHY YOU ARE LINKING AND HOW IT RELATES, WE WILL KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF IT! OR JUST HANG AROUND FOR A WHILE BEFORE YOU DROP LINKS TO THINGS!

drst
drst
12 years ago

I HAVE INSOMNIA FOR THE THIRD NIGHT IN A ROW DAMMIT.

Jarrod, dude, you gotta earn trust in a new space. Defensiveness is the worst option. If people are asking you to clarify, don’t whine about it. When you (or I or anyone) get pissy about what we meant it sends a signal to the community that says “I am a special snowflake & you should exert yourselves to get to know me & always give me the benefit of the doubt.” But it doesn’t work that way. You gotta earn your way in through good faith.

cloudiah
12 years ago

Welp, I think this may just not be a good environment for Jarrod, and it appears he agrees. But I wish Jarrod all the best; I don’t necessarily think he’s a horrible person, even if he made mistakes along the lines amandajane5 details. It is definitely hard for working class people in Academia, even in fields where they study the working class.

RubyHypatia
RubyHypatia
12 years ago

I just can’t quite get myself to have a pity party for white heterosexual men. The tears just won’t come. I don’t know what the problem is.

katz
12 years ago

I just can’t quite get myself to have a pity party for white heterosexual men. The tears just won’t come. I don’t know what the problem is.

It’s because you have no empathy and laugh at the misfortunes of others.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
12 years ago

There’s 44,000 readers or so of /mr, and this guy has gotten 24 votes in favor of one comment and 34 votes against his other comment.

The problem is not simply this comment. It’s that it follows a general trend of similar comments that have also been upvoted by other people at other times. Check out The Spearhead, another MRA site, where this sort of comment is commonplace.

jumbofish
jumbofish
12 years ago

BUT JUMBOFISH IS RIGHT, I DO NOT BELONG HERE. IT IS MY FAULT THAT I AM SO INSECURE, NOBODY ELSES. IT WAS MY INTENTION TO NOT POST ANYMORE FOR THAT REASON, BUT I COULD NOT HELP IT–I WANTED TO CONTRIBUTE MY SPECIALZ LINK. IF DAVE COULD BAN MY IP FROM COMMENTING I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

FINALLY, I APOLOGIZE FOR HITTING THE POST COMMENT BUTTON. I KNOW THIS IS A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT.

No need to be all dramatic dude. I never said you should be ip banned or that you do not belong here just that this place is obviously way more hostile than you can stand. I can understand that, its not a bad thing. Its not about you dude or your issues this place is ROUGH because we deal with trolls daily and yeah sometimes they pretend to be allies until they reveal their true colors. Also people here also call each other out on stuff even if you are an ally because no ally is perfect. If you can’t stand being called out then you might want to not join feminist comms because some time or another you will be.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
12 years ago

I just can’t quite get myself to have a pity party for white heterosexual men. The tears just won’t come. I don’t know what the problem is.

Unless that man is Bill Maher whining about how oppressed teh menz are

katz
12 years ago

ALSO, JARROD, WHEN YOU SHOW UP AND PRETTY QUICKLY START TALKING ABOUT YOURSELF, YOUR INSECURITY, YOUR BACKGROUND, WHAT YOU’RE LIKE IRL, ETC, THAT SENDS THE MESSAGE THAT YOU’RE JUST HERE TO TALK ABOUT YOU!

IF YOU HANG AROUND FOR A WHILE, SHARE OPINIONS ON OTHER SUBJECTS, SHOW SYMPATHY FOR OTHER PEOPLE WHEN THEY SHARE ABOUT THEIR STRUGGLES, “AWW” OVER THEIR CAT PICTURES, AND SO ON, THEN YOU CAN TALK ABOUT YOUR PROBLEMS SOMETIMES AND WE WILL BE SYMPATHETIC BECAUSE WE KNOW YOU BETTER!

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

DID SOMEONE SAY THERE WERE CAT PICTURES?!

How about a tiny pangolin?

Jarrod
Jarrod
12 years ago

@KATZ

I ASSURE YOU, MY PREVIOUS POST WAS NOT AN ATTEMPT TO GARNER SYMPATHY. IT WAS AN ATTEMPT AT RESPONDING TO THOSE ASKING WHY I WAS THE WAY I AM. GIVEN HOW I WAS IMMEDIATELY MADE THE SUBJECT OF THIS CHAT AFTER POSTING A LINK, I FIND IT SOMEWHAT SURPRISING THAT YOU THINK I AM MANSPLAININ’ BY EXPLAINING MYSELF. IT WAS ALSO AN ACT OF CATHARSIS.

I find it funny that my actions are now described as being something like:
Jarrod: All women are incompetent!
Snowy: What!
Jarrod: I refuse to take back my bigotry!

In this case, my whining to be read with charity is profoundly stupid. In reality, the problem was neither 1) that I refused to amend an obviously unclear statement or 2) that, as Jumbo suggests, I have a problem with being called out. My problem was that neither Snowy nor Jumbo could provide an adequate reason as to WHY my post conveyed the belief that they attributed to it. After being repeatedly insulted by snowy, I then responded with my own insulting post. I think the response here to my posting of a link sums up well the radical uncharity that is being attributed to my view, but I guess we have established that it is totally cool to do that.

Jarrod
Jarrod
12 years ago

Seriously though, I think I might be a masochist. Why can’t I stop posting?!

AndersH
AndersH
12 years ago

Dvärghundspossen, aren’t you at SU? I think MRAs would go apoplectic at the very thought of Swedish universities, considering what they deplore about liberal academia in general.

Dvärghundspossen
12 years ago

@Anders, yep, I’m at Stockholm University. Maybe I find the environment there to be okay because Sweden is “a hotbed for misandry”? (Sarcasm: That was a quote from some MRA troll posting here earlier.)

AndersH
AndersH
12 years ago

Having mandatory gender classes for all subjects I took there (political science and criminology) did make it seem really… interesting and worthwhile, actually, but they would probably term it misandry.

AlexB
AlexB
12 years ago

What IS a non-detail oriented thinker????????

I think it’s like, a Man Who Sees The Big Picture. A Man With A Sweeping Vision Who Could Overturn the Whole Field Of ____ With His Piercing Insights and can’t be bothered to study the petty details of how (x) do (y) in (place) in (time) to get a PhD when his stunning insights are universally applicable.

You know, like Jonah Goldberg.

Possibly I’m being unfair here, though on second thoughts it would be hard to be unfair to that poster– but anyway that line about “detail oriented thinking” absolutely reeks of “too lazy for academia” to me.

Bonus additional meaning that I suspect to be encoded in there somewhere (based on discussions of how girls outperform boys in school): detail-oriented thinking is a feminine trait. That’s how women spot dirt that is invisible to men. Men have Grand Genius Visions, that do not involve hoovering, or doing coursework like those plodding unimaginative females.

AndersH
AndersH
12 years ago

Wait, this doesn’t make sense, don’t some people complain that one reason boys and men are disadvantaged is because the focus of study has moved away from details and towards problem solving and it’s the cause of the usual doom for our entire educational system?
Or am I conflating two separate issues?
I know in my HYPERFEMINIZED university education, the questions were nine times out of ten about big picture events rather than details.

TreeUrchin
12 years ago

But men are better at problem solving! That is how they invented everything ever, and hunted all those mammoths, and why they are better at politics. Duh.

Snowy
Snowy
12 years ago

I find it funny that my actions are now described as being something like:
Jarrod: All women are incompetent!
Snowy: What!
Jarrod: I refuse to take back my bigotry!

In this case, my whining to be read with charity is profoundly stupid. In reality, the problem was neither 1) that I refused to amend an obviously unclear statement or 2) that, as Jumbo suggests, I have a problem with being called out. My problem was that neither Snowy nor Jumbo could provide an adequate reason as to WHY my post conveyed the belief that they attributed to it. After being repeatedly insulted by snowy, I then responded with my own insulting post.

Ok Jarrod, seriously what the fuck is your problem with me? Why do you keep trying to misrepresent what happened and what’s happening now?

Here is my original comment to you, explaining what I found problematic about your comment:
http://manboobz.com/2012/08/17/patriactionary-women-who-hit-the-age-of-40-without-a-husband-or-kids-deserve-to-be-alone-and-miserable-the-rest-of-their-lives/comment-page-8/#comment-194306

Here is a link to another very clear explanation from Myoo, which I can’t help but notice you’ve totally ignored: http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w408/myoomyoo/Jarrod_critique.png

And dude, you seriously think I was repeatedly insulting you there? How? By being critical of your comments? I’d have to agree this blog probably isn’t the best place for you if someone finally telling you to “keep fucking that chicken” causes a full on temper tantrum meltdown.

Dani Alexis
Dani Alexis
12 years ago

Okay, I had to LOL at this:

I am assuming that he means that exams tend to focus on minutiae rather than fundamentals and applications of fundamental principles.

…Because I distinctly remember my Torts exam consisting of a single question (following four pages of fact pattern): “Who is liable to whom for what and why?”

Which is pretty much THE ONLY “fundamental principle” in all of tort law, in the sense that it’s the only question anyone cares about. But which also, of course, requires one to sift four pages of minutiae to answer correctly, because “figure out exactly what is going on here in excruciating detail and don’t you dare miss anything because you can bet your opponent will use whatever you miss to take your client to the cleaners” is the practice of law, and tort law in particular.

If mayonesa is so convinced that men are biologically incapable of paying attention to detail long enough to answer a basic torts question, maybe he should be lobbying men to quit the practice of law. 😉

Dani Alexis
Dani Alexis
12 years ago

BLOCKQUOTE FAIL. Coffee now.

heidihi
heidihi
12 years ago

PANGOLIN IS MY NEW FAVORITE WORD.

(i know i’m late to the yelling party but i work in an office and i have to be quiet and meek and pleasant all day so i wanted to be in on it plus PANGOLIN.)