Over on Patriactionary, a proudly reactionary and patriarchal Christian blog, the blogger who calls himself electricangel is angry at himself – for not being an even bigger douchebag than he already is.
You see, he’s just heard from his wife that one of her friends isn’t happy about hitting the big 4-0. Apparently, his wife’s friend
broke down in tears, sobbing uncontrollably. What had hit her was the realization that she was 40, with no husband, no children, no prospects of either, and she was staring at a future of loneliness.
His reaction to this news?
I wish I could tell you that an evil smile of vengeance crept across my face, and the children this woman discarded were getting their revenge upon her. That this was payback for riding the cock carousel for years, always aiming at the guys she wanted, not the guys she could get.
But alas, hidden deep inside in his tiny misogynistic heart there remains a tiny fragment of sympathy.
But I cannot tell you anything other than how saddened I was at her tale, and how this sadness will rip out the hearts of so many women who did not set out to become lonely, childless spinsters, but whose families and societies removed the strictures on their behavior so that their own lack of self-control was left unbounded. This will be the ongoing social disaster of coming years.
I did say it was a tiny fragment.
But he still wants to use this woman’s story for his own ends.
In discussing this woman, I am insistent upon her becoming an object lesson to my wife, and especially for my wife to tell the beautiful, smart, virgin young women close to her about what happens to carousel riders. Life is a coin you may spend any way you like, but you may only spend it once. This woman spent it on an amusement park ride. Now the park is closing, she has been thrown off the ride, and faces 45 years of solitude.
Yeah, because no woman over the age of 40 is capable of ever finding a date or a mate.
Yeah, because her sadness at hitting 40 is going to last for the rest of her life.
Oh, and the bit about “the children this woman discarded?” She didn’t “discard” any children. She simply didn’t have any. She’s not “discarding children” any more than those with penises instead of vaginas are “discarding children” each and every time they masturbate to orgasm.
In the comments, not everyone is quite so restrained as electricangel.
“I don’t even know this woman and I’m pissing myself laughing at her,” writes one commenter going by the name Friendzone. “Fuck her.”
Take The Red Pill is equally unsympathetic:
I have NO sympathy for this woman whatsoever. Just like most Modern Women, she bought into the feminist deception with eyes wide open with never a thought about the future. Well the future has arrived and it looks a lot like a cold, lonely one for her – just like the cold, lonely youth and young adulthood that MOST men have had and continue to have.
Karma has come due, and the bicycles have realized that they don’t need fish, either.
When women like her are young, they treat decent men abominably – being as cruel and sadistic as they can be when rejecting an ‘unwanted’ man’s advances – simultaneously, they enjoy being ‘free whores’ for every player, dirtbag, and Alpha thug who crosses their path; then when they reach their thirties and are little more than ugly, repellent, diseased trollops (often with some thug’s illegitimate spawn or two in tow), they complain about ‘the lack of good men’.
Others adopt Electricangel’s more, er, mature approach. Will S. decides to be a pompous dick about it, while patting himself on the back for his enlightened attitude:
Indeed, it is proper to not gloat, but rather mourn what we have lost, as a society, and feel sorry for those who have made poor decisions – and try to help others not make such poor decisions, by pointing to unfortunate examples, that at least others might learn something from them.
Sometimes, schadenfreude is tempting, but we Christians do generally know better than that.
Because patronizingly exploiting someone’s (probably temporary) sadness to make other people feel shitty about their own lives is such a moral thing to do. Is faux sympathy better than no sympathy at all?
Our friend Sunshinemary jumps on the “let this be a lesson to the rest of you sluts” bandwagon:
We need not mock such women, but we need to hold up their tales as cautionary examples to other young women. The older women themselves cannot face that their lives should serve as an example of what not to do, and they will rationalize it forever.
Electricangel expounds on his plan to use this woman’s apparent misfortune for his own ends:
I am using her as a vector to drop comments to my wife about the dangers of the carousel. Next is the overt suggestion that she talk to some young women about this friend specifically.
Uh, I guess you don’t let your wife read this blog, huh? Because if I discovered that someone close to me was talking about me in such a creepily manipulative and patronizing way, that person would no longer be a part of my life.
Electricangel replies to Sunshinemary:
Yes, those who did not prioritize children will have their genetic tendencies to that behavior removed from the gene pool. Women do not have the sexual options that men do, and not letting them know this early and often is crushing.
But they must be pointed to, and shown as examples. I understand people who will laugh at and mock them; I thought I would. It’s just the enormity of a waste of a life, and the lives she threw away, and the realization that this is just the tip of huge iceberg that has gripped me.
Yes, EA, you’re such a deeply moral person. Posting an “I told you so, you whores!” post on your blog is no doubt exactly the way The Lord would like you to handle this.
In a later comment, he reiterates his plan to use this woman’s story to increase the insecurities of his wife:
I do not feel guilty at all about using this woman’s example to drop pellets of manosphere logic on my wife. It has the side benefit of my wife starting to ask me (because she’s asking herself) “What do I do to bring value to the relatinship?” It is a good thing.
First it was a sad thing, now it’s a “good thing.”
How exactly is this better than gloating? No, scratch that. How is this different than gloating?
@leftwingfox
Every time a feminists starts rambling about Nice Guy ™ and how this personality is so off-putting. Bring up Hugo Schwyzer. This is the epitonemous Nice Guy(tm), power abuser, drug abuser, manipulative, yet somehow this man has all the female company he so desires. Nice Guy ™ is just a shaming method.
“BELIEVING THAT MILLIONS OF PEOPLE SHARE THE SAME NEGATIVE PERSONALITY TRAITS BASED ON THEIR AGE AND GENITALIA IS HATING WOMEN.”
So do I have to eat the entire pot of soup to know that they will taste like the bowl I ate?
Do I need to observe every single sunny day to know that they will prbably be hot?
“Opportunity cost calculations? Has it occurred to you that you can actually enjoy your life?”
Yes, and as a prime example I have stopped spending time with a borderline former friend of mine, because the only thing I got out of spending time with him was lectures on how worhtless I am, and how I have made him feel bad.
“Noone said it was. What we did say was that writing about how domestic violence should be more common is a pretty shitty thing to do.”
Shity thing is an entirely different spectrum than illegal.
“Gandhi managed to go from one marriage into another, and he was like 1/3rd the size. I have a severley overweight friend who’s had more relationships than I have. It’s actually not a superpower to have relationships with several women.”
None of this disproves what I said. I have never claimed that eveyones tastes are the same. What I have said is that there are men that are desired by many, and men who aren’t.
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Okay… Wondering, if the only thing you actually want is to not feel sympathy for women, I think you’ve already got that.
So, yay! You’re totally fulfilled! Be happy!
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Great, is this going to devolve into a fight between two year olds where you are going to spend message after message after message telling me that you don’t care what I think?
seriously! there was a recent Roissy post where he was arguing that Robert Pattinson got cheated on because he’s a beta, whereas I would have thought that fame and the sheer number of women fantasizing about him would have made him an alpha? I think they move the alpha and beta goal posts around when it suits their theories. it’s no more an objective thing than the 10 point hotness scale for women is.
Ahahahahah!!! I can’t believe we’re having yet ANOTHER discussion on how a cracked economic theory of sex does not actually exist in reality?
Look dude, the sex market place thing…is essentially a bunch of shitty people who’ve had a few more partners than you ( at least that’s what they want you to think) finding a shitty way to make you feel shitty.
Let it go and a) you won’t be so bothered by your supposed value, and b) youl learn to enjoy dating and meeting people more.
(was responding to AlexB way back there. this thread moves too fast for me 😛 )
No. Words mean things, and “supply and demand” does not mean “free market” or “lack of price controls.” “Supply and demand” describes how the relationship between the amount of product on the market (supply) and the number of buyers for the product (demand) affects the price ranges at which the product will and will not sell. A recommendation: if you don’t understand basic economic terms, choose different words to describe your theory.
Though if what you mean is “free market” or “lack of price controls,” your argument still doesn’t make any sense. Are you pissed that people make unfettered choices of dating partners, or that societal recommendations guiding those choices (bullshit or not) exist?
Or is what you’re *really* mad about the fact that *other* people make choices and/or follow recommendations that don’t cater to *your* wants?
Wondering, go away, your rhetoric is getting depressingly boring.
I certainly don’t find anything wrong with ridding that cock carousel as hard and long as you please, but I’m somewhat curious as to what those people would think about 40 something women who reach that age with no husband, but didn’t go on the carousel because the thing seemed to be always closed whenever they showed up with the ticket.
Who am I kidding? Looking at the level of discourse displayed, it would be something in the lines of “lol u ugly lol”.
First-tier? Fifth-hand? o.O
This entire concept of “rating your partners” confuses me.
For me, there are billions of people who would not make a good partner for me (for reasons ranging from “we don’t speak the same language” to “you do *what* to your nose hairs?”). The vast majority of those billions of people would, in fact, make a good partner for someone who *isn’t* me– who speaks their language and shares their disturbing nose-hair habits.
Of the hundreds if not thousands of people who would make a good partner for me, which one I end up with is essentially random– we happen to be living in the same place and meet each other, we happen to both be single and looking, we happen to have things work out so that we have a relationship.
My girlfriend and my boyfriend are very different people, but I love them *both*, just in different ways. It makes no sense to me to attempt to rate them– my girlfriend is a 9 while my boyfriend is only an 8. It’s not like I go “hmm, my girlfriend can cook, which means that she’s superior to my boyfriend… on the other hand, he has more RPGs, which means he’s better…” They’re both good, just different.
I would be upset if I broke up with my partners, of course, but it’s not because they’re the best I can get and now I have to settle for a shitty Level Three Girlfriend. I would be upset *even* if the next day they were replaced by, I don’t know, billionaire supergeniuses who treat me like a queen, look like Tom Hiddleston/Marion Cotillard, and always do the dishes, even though if I were to rate my partners that would be strictly superior. I love my partners, not their rating– the shared memories, the support we’ve given to each other, the plans we have for the future.
Partners are both more and less interchangeable than the idea if “rating” allows.
“I find this whole “sex and relationships” = “the Market” a bit sad really. There are such things as human interactions outside the paradigm of a market. I mean, do you really think of women as commodities that you can purchase if you pay a high enough price (excepting prostitution)? I mean, where in that scenario is love, companionship, etc?”
What is that is so hard to understand about everyone being able to sell at any price they so desire, and everyone being free to decline. This is market economy, no more no less.
” I mean, where in that scenario is love, companionship, etc?”
Like how women initiate divorce after the man is out of a job?
“It’s amazing how convinced they are that women think Alphas are a thing. The whole PUA thing is such blatant projection of their own social status issues. I wish they’d go and growl and beat their chests at the perceived Alphas directly, and leave women out of it.”
Very simple, if women stop falling for PUA techniques, the PUA techniques will go the way of the dodo.
I love how “pussy economy” metaphors completely forget:
1. That women can have sex with more than one man in their lifetime.
2. That the vast majority of sexually active people are in ongoing relationships, because it’s extremely difficult for anyone to hunt for a new partner every time they want to have sex.
3. That people meet and mingle in largely random ways, and nobody really samples the whole population socially.
4. That most women have sex based on actually liking their partner.
Do you even know what a nice guy? or were you covering your ears and saying “I can’t hear you” any time a feminist brings them up? Hugo is not a nice guy, he never asserts that because he is so nice women have to date him or sleep with him then complain when they don’t. Hugo is an abuser though and an attempted murder but thats something else. Honestly you sound sorta jealous rather than using him as some point about nice guys…
Nice guys are men who assert that because they are “nice” women owe them sex and relationships. They are not very nice.
But you assume women are all the same kind of soup (as per your weird analogy) when they are not. Women do not have the same personalities, interests, religions, ideologies. You are very willing to cast the entire 50 percent of the human race as all the same? Are men also all the same in wonderland?
And that’s why homeopathy has gone the way of the dodo.
Women haven’t fallen for PUA hype, but men have, and that keeps it going.
Anyway, you’re celibate, so why the fuck does any of this matter to you? How angry can a celibate person be about not getting laid?
A market economy is a specific thing; a price is a specific thing; buying and selling are specific things. Dating and romantic relationships do not fit into these models just because people can accept or refuse each other.
I mean, seriously, shitheads, if you’re going to turn to economic metaphors the least you could do is recognize that romance is way more like barter than it is like exchanging commodities for currency.
Whiny kid bemoaning lack of sex partners with an obsession on Hugo Schwyzer. Checkmate.
I’m trying to say that human beings don’t think like this. I’m trying to say that a person does not look at another person and go “hmm well he is attractive (say an 8), I would give him pussy for £X, 3 romantic dates, and a nice ring”.
“Since you don’t seem to be smart enough to figure out this basic fact of life, let me spell it out for you: Just because something is legal, does not automatically make it morally or ethically justified.
It is perfectly legal for me, as an adult, to abandon my entire life and disappear without telling anyone in my life before I leave or tell them where I’m going or why. However if I were to do this it would be a really shitty unethical thing for me to do to the people who care about me and wouldn’t know if I was okay or even alive. Totally legal but also totally not okay.”
Okay, according to whom? Is this going to devolve into a long winding discussion about the existance of universal morals?
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Shorter Wondering: “How dare any woman feel bad about being alone when there are women who haven’t slept with me just because I wanted it? This makes me angry.”
We got your point, bro. Go away.
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No, this is not it.
A summary for those interested is. Why do you want sympathy for being alone when you express the opinion that men who are alone should just deal with it and accept that they deserve to be alone.
“Or is what you’re *really* mad about the fact that *other* people make choices and/or follow recommendations that don’t cater to *your* wants?”
Why do you ask when you don’t bother reading the replies?
If women reserve the right to have sex with any man they so desire, without having to explain it, why do they then want the right to complain when men do the very same thing?
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Wondering, go away, your rhetoric is getting depressingly boring.”
How about you stop reading instead?
I don’t know where you’re from, but vast swathes of people tend to be more varied than soup. And no, the sun being out does not guarantee that it will be hot.
But it’s good to know that you basically agree with what was said, and that’s the important thing!
Because people are not objects idiot.
By this exact same logic I could say that all gamers are misogynists, based on several I know. Or that all people who wear flannel also enjoy slurpees.
Yes, that’s why we say they’re assholes rather than suspects.
You ignored my last question there. Am I at a higher tier than Tom Cruise? Because I am outcompeting him for the woman I want.
Or what would be the appropriate thing to yell instead of Checkmate! if I’m playing “Spot that old troll’s sockpuppet” instead of chess?
Wow, you come into someone else’s space and spout a bunch of self-obsessed nonsense, and then have the gall to say that if we don’t like it then we should leave. You are quite the entitled douchenozzle, aren’t you? Go take a shit on someone else’s floor.
Where did the woman in the story express that? When did anyone here express that? If thats your point than where in your ass did you pull that from?
The woman described in the OP did not ask you for sympathy; we have no record of her saying anything about how men should just deal with it; no one whom you have quoted or referred to except in vague generalities has said anything about anyone deserving to be alone.
You have no point.
Citation needed. Specifically, which feminist has ever said anything remotely like this?
*Actually, that should read, “I don’t know where you’re from, but-” followed by that stuff about the sun.