Over on Patriactionary, a proudly reactionary and patriarchal Christian blog, the blogger who calls himself electricangel is angry at himself – for not being an even bigger douchebag than he already is.
You see, he’s just heard from his wife that one of her friends isn’t happy about hitting the big 4-0. Apparently, his wife’s friend
broke down in tears, sobbing uncontrollably. What had hit her was the realization that she was 40, with no husband, no children, no prospects of either, and she was staring at a future of loneliness.
His reaction to this news?
I wish I could tell you that an evil smile of vengeance crept across my face, and the children this woman discarded were getting their revenge upon her. That this was payback for riding the cock carousel for years, always aiming at the guys she wanted, not the guys she could get.
But alas, hidden deep inside in his tiny misogynistic heart there remains a tiny fragment of sympathy.
But I cannot tell you anything other than how saddened I was at her tale, and how this sadness will rip out the hearts of so many women who did not set out to become lonely, childless spinsters, but whose families and societies removed the strictures on their behavior so that their own lack of self-control was left unbounded. This will be the ongoing social disaster of coming years.
I did say it was a tiny fragment.
But he still wants to use this woman’s story for his own ends.
In discussing this woman, I am insistent upon her becoming an object lesson to my wife, and especially for my wife to tell the beautiful, smart, virgin young women close to her about what happens to carousel riders. Life is a coin you may spend any way you like, but you may only spend it once. This woman spent it on an amusement park ride. Now the park is closing, she has been thrown off the ride, and faces 45 years of solitude.
Yeah, because no woman over the age of 40 is capable of ever finding a date or a mate.
Yeah, because her sadness at hitting 40 is going to last for the rest of her life.
Oh, and the bit about “the children this woman discarded?” She didn’t “discard” any children. She simply didn’t have any. She’s not “discarding children” any more than those with penises instead of vaginas are “discarding children” each and every time they masturbate to orgasm.
In the comments, not everyone is quite so restrained as electricangel.
“I don’t even know this woman and I’m pissing myself laughing at her,” writes one commenter going by the name Friendzone. “Fuck her.”
Take The Red Pill is equally unsympathetic:
I have NO sympathy for this woman whatsoever. Just like most Modern Women, she bought into the feminist deception with eyes wide open with never a thought about the future. Well the future has arrived and it looks a lot like a cold, lonely one for her – just like the cold, lonely youth and young adulthood that MOST men have had and continue to have.
Karma has come due, and the bicycles have realized that they don’t need fish, either.
When women like her are young, they treat decent men abominably – being as cruel and sadistic as they can be when rejecting an ‘unwanted’ man’s advances – simultaneously, they enjoy being ‘free whores’ for every player, dirtbag, and Alpha thug who crosses their path; then when they reach their thirties and are little more than ugly, repellent, diseased trollops (often with some thug’s illegitimate spawn or two in tow), they complain about ‘the lack of good men’.
Others adopt Electricangel’s more, er, mature approach. Will S. decides to be a pompous dick about it, while patting himself on the back for his enlightened attitude:
Indeed, it is proper to not gloat, but rather mourn what we have lost, as a society, and feel sorry for those who have made poor decisions – and try to help others not make such poor decisions, by pointing to unfortunate examples, that at least others might learn something from them.
Sometimes, schadenfreude is tempting, but we Christians do generally know better than that.
Because patronizingly exploiting someone’s (probably temporary) sadness to make other people feel shitty about their own lives is such a moral thing to do. Is faux sympathy better than no sympathy at all?
Our friend Sunshinemary jumps on the “let this be a lesson to the rest of you sluts” bandwagon:
We need not mock such women, but we need to hold up their tales as cautionary examples to other young women. The older women themselves cannot face that their lives should serve as an example of what not to do, and they will rationalize it forever.
Electricangel expounds on his plan to use this woman’s apparent misfortune for his own ends:
I am using her as a vector to drop comments to my wife about the dangers of the carousel. Next is the overt suggestion that she talk to some young women about this friend specifically.
Uh, I guess you don’t let your wife read this blog, huh? Because if I discovered that someone close to me was talking about me in such a creepily manipulative and patronizing way, that person would no longer be a part of my life.
Electricangel replies to Sunshinemary:
Yes, those who did not prioritize children will have their genetic tendencies to that behavior removed from the gene pool. Women do not have the sexual options that men do, and not letting them know this early and often is crushing.
But they must be pointed to, and shown as examples. I understand people who will laugh at and mock them; I thought I would. It’s just the enormity of a waste of a life, and the lives she threw away, and the realization that this is just the tip of huge iceberg that has gripped me.
Yes, EA, you’re such a deeply moral person. Posting an “I told you so, you whores!” post on your blog is no doubt exactly the way The Lord would like you to handle this.
In a later comment, he reiterates his plan to use this woman’s story to increase the insecurities of his wife:
I do not feel guilty at all about using this woman’s example to drop pellets of manosphere logic on my wife. It has the side benefit of my wife starting to ask me (because she’s asking herself) “What do I do to bring value to the relatinship?” It is a good thing.
First it was a sad thing, now it’s a “good thing.”
How exactly is this better than gloating? No, scratch that. How is this different than gloating?
…not going to engage with Wondering, instead I will FEELINGSCOMMENT…
When you hit a milestone in life you are often brought up short by how much reality and your expectations do not match. So if you hoped to be in a relationship and have kids by x age and you don’t that is hardly unusual. I am not 40 (yet, though I’m steadily inching towards it), but I am trying to come to terms with the fact that I will probably never have the career I wanted and I’m pretty sad and angry about that. And I DO have a partner and babby, thankyouverymuchMRAsshole, and I STILL am trying to decide between different career directions that all involve about 10 years of exhausting slog. So fuck you very much, Patriactionary, for taking this lady’s personal struggles and using it as creepy blog fodder/a stick with which to metaphorically beat your wife.
For the same reason the curl on the top of a soft-serve ice cream cone is the best part! Which is…um…. Wait, I know this.
@snowy
😮
You have solved the mystery mon ami! Let us celebrate by eating the first tier of cakes but not the nasty 5th because um we are nasty feminists?
You can go to town on the first tier, when the excitement of having cake is fresh, and your appetite at its peak. But then the excitement wears off, you get used to the taste, and the prospect of eating your way down to the third tier becomes more of an obligation than a treat.
Dani Alexis – I am tired of trolls for the moment so I will totally agree. I think it’s because it’s so airy, and also it’s what you eat first so it’s coldest.
I used to work at a McDonald’s and always tried to put super huge and fancy curls on top of the cones, because I am nothing if not a giving person.
FEMINISTS NEVER GIVE THE 5TH LAYER OF CAKE A CHANCE!!
Yep. Hello. That’s me.
With 2 decades of hindsight, I’ve come to realize that my “problem” really isn’t a problem. I’m not too much of a “Nice Guy”. I’m not “unfuckable” or “unloveable”. I’m probably not even all that creepy or awkward.
(Oh and hey, and extra-big “Fuck You” to all the “moderate” MRAs for that particular chunk of self-doubt. Once I started listening to actual feminists describing the creepy behaviour of assholes, I realized that all my internalized worry was coming from said assholes conflating “I looked at an attractive woman for 5 seconds” with “I stared at her tits for five minutes like a dog watching an unattended steak”)
When it comes right down to it, my only real “problem” is that I’m an introvert. I’m a wallflower in a crowd, I have great difficulty getting involved with new social groups, and I’m lousy at just “hanging out”. I’m content with that part of me. I’ve just had to accept that lifestyle wasn’t easily compatible with meeting people and maintaining a relationship, and ignore the cultural propaganda that meeting and mating are the hallmarks of a successful life.
So wondering is nonsensetroll, I’m sad to say it but I kind of want pell back, pell was fun to mess with, wondering just has no substance.
THE CAKE MARKET IS TOO HARSH OUT THERE GUYS.
BELIEVING THAT MILLIONS OF PEOPLE SHARE THE SAME NEGATIVE PERSONALITY TRAITS BASED ON THEIR AGE AND GENITALIA IS HATING WOMEN.
You are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity. Do you keep a timesheet of the time you spend with friends and family? Opportunity cost calculations? Has it occurred to you that you can actually enjoy your life?
Noone said it was. What we did say was that writing about how domestic violence should be more common is a pretty shitty thing to do.
I’ve had enough, of both. I also have severe diagnosed social anxiety and write about social studies and video games for a living. In high school my main social outlet was a Settlers of Catan club.
So, I have been called a loser, a basement troll, etc, a lot. It wasn’t great. But it also wasn’t the worst thing in the entire world.
And I’m an adult now, and anyone who doesn’t like me for who I am gets ignored. As it turns out, none of my friends or partners have had a problem with any of this.
Gandhi managed to go from one marriage into another, and he was like 1/3rd the size. I have a severley overweight friend who’s had more relationships than I have. It’s actually not a superpower to have relationships with several women.
Also, as an example, my partner hates Tom Cruise, and wouldn’t sleep with him. But she sleeps with me. Does that make me a higher tier than Tom Cruise? Do you see how absurd it is to try to apply objective rules to a subjective system?
Okay… Wondering, if the only thing you actually want is to not feel sympathy for women, I think you’ve already got that.
So, yay! You’re totally fulfilled! Be happy!
“…Other than misogynists, pretty much nobody has ever said that supply/demand is the optimal basis of romance.”
Rubbish, a corner-stone of free market economy is that everyone is free to buy at a given price or decline. This is exactley what “Right to preference” is. If I don’t find you attractive, then I have the right to decline and I don’t have to give any reason just as I don’t have to give any reason why I don’t want to buy a goods at the given prize.
“Please note that “Wanting to only have sex with people you like” is not actually rooted in free market economics.”
But it is. It is precisely what “right to preference” is.
“Amanda Marcotte: “You have more fun when your friends are having fun, right? Apply the same attitude towards dating, and you’ll become immediately hotter.””
And on the second page, where every single tip is Change, this is what? Support? Help?
“So…we need safety regulations for dating and sex now? Antitrust laws? Intellectual – erm, sexual – property protections? What?”
And this I have demanded where? What I asked was simple. For women to start accepting being out-competed of the market the same way they demand that men are to accept being out-competed.
“Seriously, I’m confused about why you think pure supply-and-demand applies in the “sexual market” even on your own terms. If supply and demand were the only rule in play, the “value” of single heterosexual men in the eyes of single heterosexual women would depend solely on the number of single heterosexual men in existence, not on factors like their age and/or prior sexual experience(s)”
This is because you are taking supply and demand at face value. Supply and demand is simply that everyone is free to sell at any price and everyone is free to decline at the offered price. This is the very same “right to preference” that is so very important.
“What you’re missing about W’s theory is that people have intrinsic tiers, set by the game engine based on how many heroes are in your party and the difficulty you’re playing on. If you take your sexual partner back to town, you can sell them to the blacksmith for an amount based on their tier. Thus, one Legendary man is more valubale to a group of female adventurers than three Uncommon men.
Makes perfect sense, it you live in the World of Warcraft.”
Yes, I understand that a straw-man is much simpler than discusing the factualities.
“If you thought that all people in unwanted celibacy were “worthless”, why on Earth would you try to give them dating advice?”
Because Amanda can now lean back, and say “See, I helped you with your problems, now can we focus on what is important” alternatively that she can pat herself on the back about how great she is and what a lovely person she is.
Wondering: Self-pity? I am celibate by choice. Rather be alone than being someones fifth-hand choice when the competition for first-tier has turned too hard.
Right there, Exhibit A in the Self-Pity Sweepstakes. No thought that someone might find you to be First Tier after discovering the rest weren’t what they were looking for.
Nope. It’s only after, “the good one’s” get rejected/reject her that you will be looked at.
That’s some pretty good self-pity. It’s not the best, but you might be able to score a Bronze at the Self-Denigration Games if you train a bit more.
So when Amanda Marcotte gives out dating tips that sums up to “You are worthless, that is why you can’t get laid” this is a hallucination?
Where did she say this? Because I suspect that were any such advice the gist of what was said, there was context.
I find this whole “sex and relationships” = “the Market” a bit sad really. There are such things as human interactions outside the paradigm of a market. I mean, do you really think of women as commodities that you can purchase if you pay a high enough price (excepting prostitution)? I mean, where in that scenario is love, companionship, etc?
The other reason the analogy doesn’t work is because there’s no equivalent of a trades union for women who all club together to keep up the “price” of “pussy”. Hence why the MRA nonsense about the “pussy cartel” is just that.
(In terms of a model to understand dating, etc, I can see it in a evopscyh sense (whether or not it makes it valid is another question, but I can see it if you know what i mean), but actively thinking it when going out to try and get a date? Really?)
God, there are some geniuses in that comment section: In my opinion, the female concern for PUAs is that they (females) can not discern them (PUAs) from true Alphas until it it too late (they have devalued their beds).
It’s amazing how convinced they are that women think Alphas are a thing. The whole PUA thing is such blatant projection of their own social status issues. I wish they’d go and growl and beat their chests at the perceived Alphas directly, and leave women out of it.
Oh gods, not this free market bullshit again, Capitalism + Liberty = systemic collapse due to oppression, how many times do I have to tell you randroids and libertarians this?
You’re either very confused about relationships or very confused about free market theories, or both. I vote both.
This is what happens when you’re taught from birth the ridiculous idea that freedom and private property rights are equivalent concept.
You wonder why no woman will date you when you go blabbering on about dating market values while failing to understand economics and that relationships are more complex than that.
It was a strawman, not satire. And you understand that applying an economic model to individual personal connections based on a five-tier universal ranking system isn’ a “factuality,” right? Because men aren’t actually items in Diablo 3?
The cake is a lie.
*satire, not strawman
Since you don’t seem to be smart enough to figure out this basic fact of life, let me spell it out for you: Just because something is legal, does not automatically make it morally or ethically justified.
It is perfectly legal for me, as an adult, to abandon my entire life and disappear without telling anyone in my life before I leave or tell them where I’m going or why. However if I were to do this it would be a really shitty unethical thing for me to do to the people who care about me and wouldn’t know if I was okay or even alive. Totally legal but also totally not okay.
Stupid market-economics metaphor aside, women already accept being lonely and being rejected all the time.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, GO AWAY
Also, being celibate is not something you are subjected to. Nobody is making you celibate.
Shorter Wondering: “How dare any woman feel bad about being alone when there are women who haven’t slept with me just because I wanted it? This makes me angry.”
We got your point, bro. Go away.