Over on Patriactionary, a proudly reactionary and patriarchal Christian blog, the blogger who calls himself electricangel is angry at himself – for not being an even bigger douchebag than he already is.
You see, he’s just heard from his wife that one of her friends isn’t happy about hitting the big 4-0. Apparently, his wife’s friend
broke down in tears, sobbing uncontrollably. What had hit her was the realization that she was 40, with no husband, no children, no prospects of either, and she was staring at a future of loneliness.
His reaction to this news?
I wish I could tell you that an evil smile of vengeance crept across my face, and the children this woman discarded were getting their revenge upon her. That this was payback for riding the cock carousel for years, always aiming at the guys she wanted, not the guys she could get.
But alas, hidden deep inside in his tiny misogynistic heart there remains a tiny fragment of sympathy.
But I cannot tell you anything other than how saddened I was at her tale, and how this sadness will rip out the hearts of so many women who did not set out to become lonely, childless spinsters, but whose families and societies removed the strictures on their behavior so that their own lack of self-control was left unbounded. This will be the ongoing social disaster of coming years.
I did say it was a tiny fragment.
But he still wants to use this woman’s story for his own ends.
In discussing this woman, I am insistent upon her becoming an object lesson to my wife, and especially for my wife to tell the beautiful, smart, virgin young women close to her about what happens to carousel riders. Life is a coin you may spend any way you like, but you may only spend it once. This woman spent it on an amusement park ride. Now the park is closing, she has been thrown off the ride, and faces 45 years of solitude.
Yeah, because no woman over the age of 40 is capable of ever finding a date or a mate.
Yeah, because her sadness at hitting 40 is going to last for the rest of her life.
Oh, and the bit about “the children this woman discarded?” She didn’t “discard” any children. She simply didn’t have any. She’s not “discarding children” any more than those with penises instead of vaginas are “discarding children” each and every time they masturbate to orgasm.
In the comments, not everyone is quite so restrained as electricangel.
“I don’t even know this woman and I’m pissing myself laughing at her,” writes one commenter going by the name Friendzone. “Fuck her.”
Take The Red Pill is equally unsympathetic:
I have NO sympathy for this woman whatsoever. Just like most Modern Women, she bought into the feminist deception with eyes wide open with never a thought about the future. Well the future has arrived and it looks a lot like a cold, lonely one for her – just like the cold, lonely youth and young adulthood that MOST men have had and continue to have.
Karma has come due, and the bicycles have realized that they don’t need fish, either.
When women like her are young, they treat decent men abominably – being as cruel and sadistic as they can be when rejecting an ‘unwanted’ man’s advances – simultaneously, they enjoy being ‘free whores’ for every player, dirtbag, and Alpha thug who crosses their path; then when they reach their thirties and are little more than ugly, repellent, diseased trollops (often with some thug’s illegitimate spawn or two in tow), they complain about ‘the lack of good men’.
Others adopt Electricangel’s more, er, mature approach. Will S. decides to be a pompous dick about it, while patting himself on the back for his enlightened attitude:
Indeed, it is proper to not gloat, but rather mourn what we have lost, as a society, and feel sorry for those who have made poor decisions – and try to help others not make such poor decisions, by pointing to unfortunate examples, that at least others might learn something from them.
Sometimes, schadenfreude is tempting, but we Christians do generally know better than that.
Because patronizingly exploiting someone’s (probably temporary) sadness to make other people feel shitty about their own lives is such a moral thing to do. Is faux sympathy better than no sympathy at all?
Our friend Sunshinemary jumps on the “let this be a lesson to the rest of you sluts” bandwagon:
We need not mock such women, but we need to hold up their tales as cautionary examples to other young women. The older women themselves cannot face that their lives should serve as an example of what not to do, and they will rationalize it forever.
Electricangel expounds on his plan to use this woman’s apparent misfortune for his own ends:
I am using her as a vector to drop comments to my wife about the dangers of the carousel. Next is the overt suggestion that she talk to some young women about this friend specifically.
Uh, I guess you don’t let your wife read this blog, huh? Because if I discovered that someone close to me was talking about me in such a creepily manipulative and patronizing way, that person would no longer be a part of my life.
Electricangel replies to Sunshinemary:
Yes, those who did not prioritize children will have their genetic tendencies to that behavior removed from the gene pool. Women do not have the sexual options that men do, and not letting them know this early and often is crushing.
But they must be pointed to, and shown as examples. I understand people who will laugh at and mock them; I thought I would. It’s just the enormity of a waste of a life, and the lives she threw away, and the realization that this is just the tip of huge iceberg that has gripped me.
Yes, EA, you’re such a deeply moral person. Posting an “I told you so, you whores!” post on your blog is no doubt exactly the way The Lord would like you to handle this.
In a later comment, he reiterates his plan to use this woman’s story to increase the insecurities of his wife:
I do not feel guilty at all about using this woman’s example to drop pellets of manosphere logic on my wife. It has the side benefit of my wife starting to ask me (because she’s asking herself) “What do I do to bring value to the relatinship?” It is a good thing.
First it was a sad thing, now it’s a “good thing.”
How exactly is this better than gloating? No, scratch that. How is this different than gloating?
So, Wondering has a problem: he thinks all women are some sort of homogenous group busy rating men as alpha or beta or first tier or fifth tier or whatever, rather than being (gasp) individual people with individual likes and dislikes. He also has the problem (no I am not going to mention the Spanish Inquisition, I’m not!) of this obsession with human relations = market economy or some such nonsense. But what I reckon is likely a major contributor to his obviously unwanted celibacy is that he has no sense of humour whatsoever.
I mean, really – missing every joke, every witticism, every humorous reference (you can know jack shit about gaming and still get the gist of the jokes here) and just churning on in this self-pitying, defensive, offended way … c’mon, who the hell is going to want to date, let alone sleep with, a bloke who carries on like this? Despising women, having no sense of humour and having bizarre notions about totting up how much he ‘spends’ or ‘gains’ in normal human interaction, objecting to the idea of any sort of self-examination … yeah, wow, I can see what fun he’d be to be around.
Roosh wrote an entire blog post based on this premise. I would link to it but I’ve been banned from this IP 😀
I am entitled to slam people’s fingers in doors because someone did it to me when I was five.
No, not really. You’re an asshole.
@fembot – that was actually Cliff paraphrasing the MRM, not a quote from the trollz.
fembot—
This one?
http://www.rooshv.com/american-men-who-choose-homosexuality
Lordy, what a gem that guy is.
Ah, I know what you’re talking about–potato sack races.
Okay, wondering, I need to ask this. What is your point?
Also, I agree with Cliff that the term “choose my choice feminism” is a crappy insult. I’m tired of it being thrown at women for making the “wrong” choices, even when it makes them happy and doesn’t harm other people. That’s why I’m annoyed at the site feministe, because they use it quite a bit. Oh but when men make those same exact life choices, it’s just fine and dandy. Of all people to hold double standards against women, it shouldn’t be feminists.
[quote]The truth is that you cannot really tell the difference between coerced or rape pornography vs genuine freedom of choice porn from watching porn. A regular watcher of porn has to either ignore the problem or not care about it (or possibly be excited by it) in order to continue using pornography.[/quote]
This is absurd. To see why, consider an example that is more salient to you. The vast majority of products, whether they be the food you eat or the machinery that goes into the computer that you are currently using, were produced in exploitative conditions. In fact, if one were feeling a bit hyperbolic, you might even say that your computer was produced as a result of slave labour. But just because you use your computer doesn’t mean that you have to either 1) ignore the problem of 5cent an hour labour or 2) not care about 5cent an hour labour, or even [re: *winkwink, everyone who uses porn knows they are a rapist winkwink*] 3) that somehow you fetishize the usage of your computer BECAUSE it is exploitative. It is obviously the case that you can protest unfair working conditions while using the products that are produced by those unfair working conditions. The same applies in the porn case.
Jarrod, I actually kind of disagree with that. I think porn is different than say, meat or shoes or whatever in that you actually do see the suffering happening right there in the final product. I personally have a very hard time consuming most porn for this reason. If I don’t know that it’s 100% exploitation free I feel sick and afraid to watch it. This isn’t to say I agree with the person calling all porn “rape on camera” and all sex workers “pussies rented by men” or whatever weird condescending shit she called them. But I don’t think porn consumption is quite the same as consumption of other things that have been made using slave labor or some form of exploitation where you’re not actually seeing the people in distress.
But there ARE people who watch certain kinds of porn because they fetishize exploitation. Could be pretend exploitation, but they will fetishize and fantasize it’s true.
@Jarrod
Just because many things are exploitative does not mean its okay or that we should ignore it or take a stand against it. Yes exploitative porn exists but that doesn’t mean you should watch it just because “everything is exploited” anyway.
*not take a stand
Wow. Wonderboy totally polluted the thread, yeah?
It was hard to get through, but basically I kept hearing, “You will pity me damn you!!! All of you! I just want female companionship!” Then later: “Don’t pity me!!! I wouldn’t want any of you anyway with your used lady bits. I don’t need you!” (If you read between the lines in all of these angry posts, screeds and articles, slut-shaming can be translated to: “If you have more sexual experience than me it might make feel insecure!”)
Then he made fun that people kept posting responses…but somehow, he can’t just take a hint and stop posting.
There was the usual binary perception of the universe in regard to human beings. There’s only two kinds men; nerds and handsome football player/actor types (the ones that made his life hell…and we, women, are guilty for fucking these guys, see?). And only two kinds of women; desireable ones, and the ones that he doesn’t see for whatever reason. Except anyone who has even been out in the world, and like, talks to people, knows this is bullshit.
And the usual resentment that women are sexual, and some actually like dating men they’re attracted to (the bitches!).
Oh, and he provided pages of proof that that guys who badmouth older single ladies are just rubbing there hands together and saying, “HAHAHA! I shall have my revenge!!!” And I’m especially talking to you, Beverly Marsh, who rejected me in high school!” He wants a woman, but he hates women…blabla blagitty blah.
And gosh, after reading all that, why would he have problems with the ladies? Maybe because they sense that he truly hates them? Gals and guys don’t like dating people who hate them.
He also implied he reads a lot of feminist blogs…sadly, he didn’t learn anything.
If he’s not M*A*S*H*RAL then the Internet misogynist community has some serious explaining to do about how completely fucking unoriginal it is. If it is, that guy’s situation does not seem to have improved one bit. I don’t even know what he was talking about with that “40 year old reporter” stuff.
I love how whenever topics like this come up there’s always at least one guy who shows up and argues that women having a right to have preferences is a terrible, awful, destructive thing that oppresses men. And it never occurs to them how hypocritical they’re being, since men’s assumed right to have preferences remains unquestionable.*
* Which it should be. So should women’s. This shit is really not that complicated.
Was he talking about David? It was hard to tell between all the whine and straw.
Snowy: I agree that this is a disanology between the two cases (disclaimer: I very rarely watch non-illustrated porn for the same reason as you), So maybe it is the case that it is harder to ignore the exploitation in porn while you consume it as opposed to the exploitation in labour. My intention re: the example was mostly to illustrate that it is possible to work against something while still using the product that is produced by the thing you are working against. So perhaps the first point is a little more complicated than I claimed, and you do have to ignore the problem of exploitation WHILE you consume pornography? I am not sure where I stand on that issue, but I think it is clear that just because you consume porn you don’t have to ignore the exploitation in porn ALL THE TIME.
GT: People watch things like BDSM in order to fetishize certain desires of that sort. This is different from watching vanilla porn and secretly thinking”oh gee, I am secretly getting off on this porn because maybe one of the actors did not consent to this sex”, which was the psychological story in the post I quoted.
Jumbofish: I am in no way am saying we shouldn’t care about porn exploitation (or labour exploitation–I fancy myself a Marxist!). I have no idea of how you got that from my post.
Oh yeah, gotta love the hypocracy. What they’re not admitting is society taught them that women just want security, they don’t care about chemistry or sexytimes or mutal passions. When we say, “No, not true,” they loose it. If we’re telling the truth, what’s their excuse for not getting all the tail they want?
The “4o year old ‘journalist'” was an attempt to pretend that Dave is some sort of failure/fraud.
Actually that might have been aimed at me, in which case – hi there, Mr Al. Please be aware that nothing here has changed, and the commentariat here still doesn’t like you. How many times does David need to ban you before you go away?
Cassandra… My apologies, I forgot your line of work. Yes, if this is Monsieur AL, that is a distinct possibility.
Wondering: Self-pity? BS, I am all for rutheless competition. But then lets play a game where everyone falls if they lose.
Bullshit. You are complaining (yes, complaining) that women exercise agency (placing you in the “fifth tier”), and that in the “competitive marketplace” you idealise as being how people interact, you are losing.
We don’t agree that either is really happening, but more to the point, even those of us who “fell” understand that it’s not as if someone is refusing us food.
But in the game of, “ruthless competition, you are losing, and it’s pissing you off. Me, I’m “a winner”. I have lovers, past and present. I expect that I will have lovers in the future, should my present lovers and I stop being lovers.
So yeah, if you think sex/love is a “ruthless competition”, you are losing.
But that’s because you have confused the ways in which people interact in non-commodity markets with commodity markets.
Sucks to be you.
@ pecunium
Could be either, or he could have read something by an older woman journalist that he perceived as “women” (because we’re a monolith) complaining about men being attracted to younger women, and that could be what set him off this time. In any case, reading a bit more of the thread, this is definitely him again. It’s a shame there’s no real way to perma-ban him as long as he keeps posting from fake IPs.
Cassandra, you too? I’m a journalist by trade — print. I’ve worked for newspapers for 12 years.
Oh ok, you fancy yourself a Marxist? Well that makes everything you said totally fine then.
This bit of ridiculousness is probably where he got that from. Dude, you really can’t use your consumption of exploitative porn to fight unfair working conditions so no, I’m really not surprised at all that someone might take that from your comment. Come on now.
Wondering is so oblivious that his observations don’t collapse the wave function.