Over on Patriactionary, a proudly reactionary and patriarchal Christian blog, the blogger who calls himself electricangel is angry at himself – for not being an even bigger douchebag than he already is.
You see, he’s just heard from his wife that one of her friends isn’t happy about hitting the big 4-0. Apparently, his wife’s friend
broke down in tears, sobbing uncontrollably. What had hit her was the realization that she was 40, with no husband, no children, no prospects of either, and she was staring at a future of loneliness.
His reaction to this news?
I wish I could tell you that an evil smile of vengeance crept across my face, and the children this woman discarded were getting their revenge upon her. That this was payback for riding the cock carousel for years, always aiming at the guys she wanted, not the guys she could get.
But alas, hidden deep inside in his tiny misogynistic heart there remains a tiny fragment of sympathy.
But I cannot tell you anything other than how saddened I was at her tale, and how this sadness will rip out the hearts of so many women who did not set out to become lonely, childless spinsters, but whose families and societies removed the strictures on their behavior so that their own lack of self-control was left unbounded. This will be the ongoing social disaster of coming years.
I did say it was a tiny fragment.
But he still wants to use this woman’s story for his own ends.
In discussing this woman, I am insistent upon her becoming an object lesson to my wife, and especially for my wife to tell the beautiful, smart, virgin young women close to her about what happens to carousel riders. Life is a coin you may spend any way you like, but you may only spend it once. This woman spent it on an amusement park ride. Now the park is closing, she has been thrown off the ride, and faces 45 years of solitude.
Yeah, because no woman over the age of 40 is capable of ever finding a date or a mate.
Yeah, because her sadness at hitting 40 is going to last for the rest of her life.
Oh, and the bit about “the children this woman discarded?” She didn’t “discard” any children. She simply didn’t have any. She’s not “discarding children” any more than those with penises instead of vaginas are “discarding children” each and every time they masturbate to orgasm.
In the comments, not everyone is quite so restrained as electricangel.
“I don’t even know this woman and I’m pissing myself laughing at her,” writes one commenter going by the name Friendzone. “Fuck her.”
Take The Red Pill is equally unsympathetic:
I have NO sympathy for this woman whatsoever. Just like most Modern Women, she bought into the feminist deception with eyes wide open with never a thought about the future. Well the future has arrived and it looks a lot like a cold, lonely one for her – just like the cold, lonely youth and young adulthood that MOST men have had and continue to have.
Karma has come due, and the bicycles have realized that they don’t need fish, either.
When women like her are young, they treat decent men abominably – being as cruel and sadistic as they can be when rejecting an ‘unwanted’ man’s advances – simultaneously, they enjoy being ‘free whores’ for every player, dirtbag, and Alpha thug who crosses their path; then when they reach their thirties and are little more than ugly, repellent, diseased trollops (often with some thug’s illegitimate spawn or two in tow), they complain about ‘the lack of good men’.
Others adopt Electricangel’s more, er, mature approach. Will S. decides to be a pompous dick about it, while patting himself on the back for his enlightened attitude:
Indeed, it is proper to not gloat, but rather mourn what we have lost, as a society, and feel sorry for those who have made poor decisions – and try to help others not make such poor decisions, by pointing to unfortunate examples, that at least others might learn something from them.
Sometimes, schadenfreude is tempting, but we Christians do generally know better than that.
Because patronizingly exploiting someone’s (probably temporary) sadness to make other people feel shitty about their own lives is such a moral thing to do. Is faux sympathy better than no sympathy at all?
Our friend Sunshinemary jumps on the “let this be a lesson to the rest of you sluts” bandwagon:
We need not mock such women, but we need to hold up their tales as cautionary examples to other young women. The older women themselves cannot face that their lives should serve as an example of what not to do, and they will rationalize it forever.
Electricangel expounds on his plan to use this woman’s apparent misfortune for his own ends:
I am using her as a vector to drop comments to my wife about the dangers of the carousel. Next is the overt suggestion that she talk to some young women about this friend specifically.
Uh, I guess you don’t let your wife read this blog, huh? Because if I discovered that someone close to me was talking about me in such a creepily manipulative and patronizing way, that person would no longer be a part of my life.
Electricangel replies to Sunshinemary:
Yes, those who did not prioritize children will have their genetic tendencies to that behavior removed from the gene pool. Women do not have the sexual options that men do, and not letting them know this early and often is crushing.
But they must be pointed to, and shown as examples. I understand people who will laugh at and mock them; I thought I would. It’s just the enormity of a waste of a life, and the lives she threw away, and the realization that this is just the tip of huge iceberg that has gripped me.
Yes, EA, you’re such a deeply moral person. Posting an “I told you so, you whores!” post on your blog is no doubt exactly the way The Lord would like you to handle this.
In a later comment, he reiterates his plan to use this woman’s story to increase the insecurities of his wife:
I do not feel guilty at all about using this woman’s example to drop pellets of manosphere logic on my wife. It has the side benefit of my wife starting to ask me (because she’s asking herself) “What do I do to bring value to the relatinship?” It is a good thing.
First it was a sad thing, now it’s a “good thing.”
How exactly is this better than gloating? No, scratch that. How is this different than gloating?
“targeting women who are troubled to begin with
acting in a manipulative
patronizing
or obsequious fashion”
That’s 1/4. I mistakenly counted “setting themselves up to be taken advantage of”.
Even 1/3 means it’s not the central thing.
By the way? That’s the introduction to the fucking “N*ce G*uy” archive page—I somehow doubt it is in any sense the original source of the term. Let’s not forget the other characteristics it mentions, though:
“many of the guys who DO have trouble, insist that women don’t want them because they are “too Nice”.
All too often we hear self-professed “Nice Guys” complaining about why they can’t get a date, and whining that women just want to date jerks”
Down to 1/6. 1/5 if you consider these the same, as they are similar. There’s a lot of difference between Hugo Schwyzer and “N*ce G*ys,” no matter how contemptible Schwyzer is.
And no, no one is asserting that women magically detect manipulation 100% of the time.
Wondering: None of this disproves what I said. I have never claimed that eveyones tastes are the same. What I have said is that there are men that are desired by many, and men who aren’t.
Then what are you whining about?
Fucking block quote fail.
I did? Alex Pournelle, and Jon Anderson, and Jon Cox, and David Brin, and Stacey Tappan, and Angela Collier, and Kim Myer, and Tristan Andersen, and Hal O’Brien, and Miel, and Cat Stewart, and Gerhard Reiner, and Gene Biondo, and Rick Foss, and Ed Green and Dennis Miller and Kieth Williams and Ken Porter and Naomi Karney and Lauri Kneibel, and Aria Geller and Maribel Gonzales and Peter Frost and Jennifer Jumper and Susan Potter and Cynthia Brown and Tammy Ledbetter and Veronica Huber and Michelle Butterfield and Thom Digby and Barry Workman and Maia Wolff and Laura Ochner and Jerry Mills and Jerry Pietrczak and Lucy Rubalcava and Dave Jorgensen and Ulrika Anderson and Larry Niven and Fang Van took and Lawrence Schoen and Mark Kramer and Martin Longerbones and Mark Yttralde and Mark Iannocco and Conan Oarbreaker and Daffydd ab Hugh and Lisa Murway and Rolf Greene and Diane Ackworth and Russ Plewe and Mike Bird and Selina Ryan and Mike Walls and Dave Lomeli and Mike Kozak and Steve Embrich and Bill Campbell and Matt Bowes and Laura Gaharezzidine and Anna Bass and Alexa Miller and…. were bullying you?
Wow.
“He expressed that his penis had a preference for white skin.
And as long as his penis doesn’t do his every-day activity this is not a problem. ”
He compared his penis to a white supremicist in general and to David Duke in particular.
“I allready have a job. Unlike one of the favourite insults hurled around I actually live on my own and pay the rent for my own apartenment. “permavirgins”
And there came that insult.”
Whatever.
Well, it depends.
If you aren’t sexually attached to women at all, the fact that you aren’t attracted to black women doesn’t make them racists.
If you are sexually attracted to women, it may well be that you find certain features that black women are unlikely to have. And that’s fine. That doesn’t make you a racist.
But the thing is, black women are not a monolith. Even if white women are more likely to have certain traits than black women, that doesn’t mean that there are no black women are going to have those traits. If you ignore this and just state that you don’t find black women attractive at all, you are discounting people automatically whether or not they might actually have the features you find attractive because of their race. And that is racist.
Mind you, even if I were to grant your premise that not finding black women attractive is never motivated by racism, John Mayer’s use of racial stereotypes in describing black women certainly would be.
Shut up and deal with it.
“Then what are you whining about?”
I was not whining. It was a commenter who refused to accept the tier system. Somehow not everyone being atratcted to the very same people disproving that there exists people whom a lot of people find atractive.
Great, so now that the next move by feminists in my country is to demand tax-financed inseminations for single women, I should deal with it how?
Move to South East Asia? I hear a lot of MRAs are going expat.
Or, just accept the fact that your tax dollars aren’t always going to be spent on things you approve of. I don’t like the fact that the US spends billions on wars (even though I am an Army wife) instead of properly funding schools. But I don’t make myself miserable over it.
This will not make a dent in troll’s neutrino field head, but for everyone else, a good post from Angry Black Woman, “Things You Need To Understand #10: The Dictionary Is Not A Perfect Rhetorical Tool”
http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/12/29/tuntu-10/
MR*L, you live in a dorm and work part-time at Starbucks. Don’t get all “I’m a factory worker from California” here, it’s offensive to real workers. There’s no shame in being a student, but own it.
Can I just say how great this site is, and everyone here?? (well, most everyone – @wondering – I’m curious myself – what are you wondering about? You seem to have very definite opinions on everything – is there anything you DON’T “know”??)
So, just in this thread, I’ve laughed myself silly about 14 times, got my belief in humanity lifted, saw a cute little baby pig, some great artwork that I’m SO gonna share with a friend tomorrow, learned some Turkish… 😀
“If you ignore this and just state that you don’t find black women attractive at all, you are discounting people automatically whether or not they might actually have the features you find attractive because of their race. And that is racist.”
No it is not. Sexual atractiveness is not a measure of value. Narrow minded, maybe but not racism.
“Mind you, even if I were to grant your premise that not finding black women attractive is never motivated by racism, John Mayer’s use of racial stereotypes in describing black women certainly would be.”
His what?
“I was not whining”*
*Citation needed.
“MR*L, you live in a dorm and work part-time at Starbucks. Don’t get all “I’m a factory worker from California” here, it’s offensive to real workers. There’s no shame in being a student, but own it.”
I am not this mysterious MR*L.
If you really have to know I develop addons for secure cell-phone communications.
“Sexual atractiveness is not a measure of value”
So then the sexual market is bullshit?
You’ve been arguing for hours that sexual attractiveness is a currency and that we buy and sell our relationships, but now suddenly it’s not a measure of value?
When this started your goalpost was in Uruguay. Now it’s in Spain. Jesus wept.
THIS is going to make you unattractive to women. You need to get away from this MRA nonsense if you ever want to be happy in life. Or, you can become a sociopathic manipulaator like Roosh and Roissy and bang a series of women who will never love you. Or, you can go full MRA and be completely miserable, and make everyone around you miserable.
(I say choose option 1)
I don’t care if you live in your parents’ basement, rent your own apartment, or have a mansion on the freaking MOON. None of that makes your arguments much sounder.
I have friends who live with their parents who are WAY cooler and better people than you.
In other words “what do you mean that women have independent thought? It is as if you are claiming they are people!” Said in an ultra whiny voice of course.
“I was not whining,” he said after spending dozens of comments arguing based on the narcissistic belief that someone was demanding his sympathy.
I love how NAFALT is supposed to be this game-ending argument. Because obviously all feminists (including ones who don’t even know about each other, somehow) are exactly the same.
Wondering: “Then what are you whining about?”
I was not whining.
Really? Telling us to shut up when we are old and used up, because you weren’t given all the pussy you wanted?
How you aren’t willing to settle for being someone’s fifth choice; and pretending that you are somehow oppressed because of it?
Going on about how nice guys can get laid, but you are abused and called a loser?
Complaining that the advice on how to make yourself less unattractive says 1: you might need to change some things about yourself and 2: isn’t a simple recipe, but has lots of things and might not be guaranteed?
Telling us that saying a dude being racist is being racist and that shit’s not cool is condemning someone for having preferences in sexual partners?
Yeah, you’re being a whiney titty-baby.
For the record, living at home with your parents and being a virgin is perfectly acceptable, granted you are a good person who respects others. We are not attempting any virgin shaming here. But it is important to point out that the men who tend to complain about their lack of success with women the most, often hate women the most also–and blame them for all of their troubles. It’s tough to have a relationship with someone that you already hate.