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GirlWritesWhat on “The Necessity of Domestic Violence”: “I don’t really find too much [that’s] seriously ethically questionable.”

Yesterday, we took a look at Ferdinand Bardamu’s manosphere manifesto “The Necessity of Domestic Violence,” a thoroughly despicable piece of writing that concludes:

Women should be terrorized by their men; it’s the only thing that makes them behave better than chimps.

I decided to take a look at Bardamu’s post yesterday after running across a discussion of it in Reddit’s new FeMRA subreddit, a forum ostensibly devoted to what “women can do to advance men’s rights as women.” It’s a strange little subreddit, started by a man and dominated by some of Reddit’s most unsavory MaleMRAs, some of them banned in the regular Men’s Rights subreddit.

Recently one of the most unsavory of the bunch, calling himself JeremiahGuy this time, posted a link to Bardamu’s domestic violence manifesto, which he hosts on his website. Jeremiah naturally used the discussion as an excuse to post more apologias for domestic “discipline” along the lines of the quote from him I featured yesterday.

But I was a little surprised to see GirlWritesWhat, the blabby FeMRA video blogger who’s captured the hearts of Reddit’s Men’s Rights crowd, step into the conversation with something of a defense of Bardamu’s noxious views. After reading Bardamu’s manifesto – the one advocating that men “terrorize” their women to make them behave – GWW blithely concluded:

I don’t really find too much in the article that strikes me as seriously ethically questionable.

Have I taken that remark out of context? Yes. In context, it’s worse. Here’s the entire quote from her, and a further clarification of her position.

She wasn’t the only one in the discussion to get upvotes for suggesting that men slapping women around from time to time isn’t really such a big deal. MaunaLoona (a MaleMRA) wrote:

Lots of MRAs like to pretend that they care about male victims of domestic violence. But the Men’s Rights movement hasn’t done shit for them. And here, I think, is why: too many MRAs are less interested in helping male victims of domestic violence than they are in providing excuses and justifications for male abusers.

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Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
12 years ago

Amused-you just twisiting what I said which means that you’re a mentally distubed female. And btw, I’ve been in Russia a dozen times and know hundreds of females and none of them have even been hit by their fathers.

Oh, wait… Is this that Pell/Jane/Montgomery Clift idiot? Again? When does school start?

Gametime
12 years ago

Oh, she’s a lawyer AND a doctor! Is this Pell?

That would explain the lack of quotation marks around zir quotes. I’m seconding the Pell call.

Amused
12 years ago

Amused-you just twisiting what I said which means that you’re a mentally distubed female. And btw, I’ve been in Russia a dozen times and know hundreds of females and none of them have even been hit by their fathers.

Yeah, you’ve been in Russia just like you studied medicine and law. As for the gratuitous description of me as “distubed”, I notice you didn’t answer my question.

jumbofish
jumbofish
12 years ago

And btw, I’ve been in Russia a dozen times and know hundreds of females and none of them have even been hit by their fathers.

Speak some Russian now.

cloudiah
12 years ago

I spammed David for an IP check. IPs can be hidden/faked, but I am feeling about 99.9% sure that Lawgirl is Pell.

Lawgirl
Lawgirl
12 years ago

When I was a resident I spent 3 months on the psych ward and the patients made more sense than most of you

Dr. Pell

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Bye, Pell.

cloudiah
12 years ago

@Cliff, I thought the normal protocol for ODs was to waterboard them and then tether them to an anthill under the hot sun. No?

aworldanonymous
12 years ago

So, Pell was a Mary Sue type troll? Gods they really do come in every variety.

Amused
12 years ago

Cliff Pervocracy:

Sometimes we’ll pinch someone’s deltoid to try and judge their level of responsiveness. That’s all. We don’t go around hitting and torturing patients, Jesus.

I know, right? I would think that even a person with the most rudimentary understanding of high-school-level human biology class would understand how absurd it is to slap someone to “rouse” them. Here you have an unconscious, unresponsive patient — which is your indication that, duh, something bad is going on with that person’s brain. So what do you do to make it better? Hit them on the head, obviously. Because one surefire way to make a brain injury go away is to make it worse. Kind of like the Mad Hatter fixing a pocket watch.

Lawgirl
Lawgirl
12 years ago

And if you remember I was the one who criticised this Ferdy guy about DV. Have many of you had shock treatments? Your short term memory seems to be effected

jumbofish
jumbofish
12 years ago

Bye pell, don’t forget about your school studies.

Amused
12 years ago

Pell: It’s a pity they let you out of that psych ward after only 3 months.

jumbofish
jumbofish
12 years ago

Shock treatment is not used anymore pell.

clairedammit
clairedammit
12 years ago

Also, Lawgirl, I hope you step on a lego.

Okay, I really did laugh out loud at that one. Thanks, aworldanonymous!

Lawgirl
Lawgirl
12 years ago

Amused-learn how to read.I said when it was an obviously drug od and there was no injury. You’re really thick.

Amused
12 years ago

“effected”? Jesus, you aren’t even literate.

Или может быть ты хочешь на рыдной мове, уебище?

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
12 years ago

And if you remember I was the one who criticised this Ferdy guy about DV.

Alas, that golden age has ended.

Have many of you had shock treatments? Your short term memory seems to be effected

Do your patients know you’re an ableist douche?

I’m guessing yes.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
12 years ago

Here’s what I don’t get about the dipshits like you, Pell. How small is your internet? I’m willing to concede that being a moron with an absolutely repellant personality probably inhibits your ability to just turn off the compute and go outside and play. I get that.

But, seriously, how small is your internet? Isn’t there porn for you to watch? Games to play? Quizzes to take? Songs to download? Forums full of likeminded jackasses with which to clown around?

How small is your internet?

Amused
12 years ago

Drug OD never involves brain injury? Wow. Just … wow. Is there any shop in this country that actually extends malpractice coverage to someone like you? “Doctor”?

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Jumbofisch: I’m just nit-picking, but while they’re nowhere near as common today, some people do elect to have shock treatments.

jumbofish
jumbofish
12 years ago

Pell speak some russian.

Lawgirl
Lawgirl
12 years ago

Возвращение в школу. Идиот!

Anathema
Anathema
12 years ago

I think that the problem on here is that many are from homes where there was some real domestic violence and it’s impossible for them to distinguish between the trivial from the severe. Perhaps you may have had an alcoholic mother who would beat your father when he didn’t do the dishes. Itmay be a good idea for those of you from these sorts of backgrounds to just read what more normal mainstream people write and refrain from commenting.

But why would people with experience with domestic violence be worse at distinguishing different degrees of domestic violence? I would think that, if anything, their first-hand knowledge would make them more qualified to make those distinctions. (And I can’t believe I need to point this is out, but just because some types of domestic violence are more severe than others, that doesn’t mean that the less severe types are somehow “trivial” or don’t count as “real domestic violence.”)

Being a victim of domestic violence doesn’t magically make someone completely irrational. It does not mean that they are no longer “normal” or “mainstream.” (Way to stigmatize the victims of domestic violence, Lawgirl.) It does not mean that they are somehow damaged beyond repair. The victims of domestic violence are still people. They are just as rational as anyone else is.

If we want to deal with domestic violence, we need to listen to the victims of domestic violence. You can’t ignore the people you are trying to help. Yet you would have us ignore the people with first hand knowledge of the situation. You would have us ignore the people who are the most passionate about the problem simply because, I don’t know, you think that they are too emotional or something.

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