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GirlWritesWhat on “The Necessity of Domestic Violence”: “I don’t really find too much [that’s] seriously ethically questionable.”

Yesterday, we took a look at Ferdinand Bardamu’s manosphere manifesto “The Necessity of Domestic Violence,” a thoroughly despicable piece of writing that concludes:

Women should be terrorized by their men; it’s the only thing that makes them behave better than chimps.

I decided to take a look at Bardamu’s post yesterday after running across a discussion of it in Reddit’s new FeMRA subreddit, a forum ostensibly devoted to what “women can do to advance men’s rights as women.” It’s a strange little subreddit, started by a man and dominated by some of Reddit’s most unsavory MaleMRAs, some of them banned in the regular Men’s Rights subreddit.

Recently one of the most unsavory of the bunch, calling himself JeremiahGuy this time, posted a link to Bardamu’s domestic violence manifesto, which he hosts on his website. Jeremiah naturally used the discussion as an excuse to post more apologias for domestic “discipline” along the lines of the quote from him I featured yesterday.

But I was a little surprised to see GirlWritesWhat, the blabby FeMRA video blogger who’s captured the hearts of Reddit’s Men’s Rights crowd, step into the conversation with something of a defense of Bardamu’s noxious views. After reading Bardamu’s manifesto – the one advocating that men “terrorize” their women to make them behave – GWW blithely concluded:

I don’t really find too much in the article that strikes me as seriously ethically questionable.

Have I taken that remark out of context? Yes. In context, it’s worse. Here’s the entire quote from her, and a further clarification of her position.

She wasn’t the only one in the discussion to get upvotes for suggesting that men slapping women around from time to time isn’t really such a big deal. MaunaLoona (a MaleMRA) wrote:

Lots of MRAs like to pretend that they care about male victims of domestic violence. But the Men’s Rights movement hasn’t done shit for them. And here, I think, is why: too many MRAs are less interested in helping male victims of domestic violence than they are in providing excuses and justifications for male abusers.

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Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
12 years ago

Reading through this thread, I believe I am missing something.

It’s not the first time, trust me.

How many darlings of the MRM do we have to see saying horrible shit before it really is representative of The Movement?

cloudiah
12 years ago

@fembot, I posted a link to Pell’s first appearance. I think it’s one page back.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Steele doesn’t know what’s going on? Imagine that.

Lawgirl is having the cutest meltdown.

Cliff Pervocracy
12 years ago

Steele, don’t you think there’s something just a wee bit fucked up when you have to say “I disagree with her about hitting women, but, y’know, other than that she’s a valuable contributor”?

jester's fool
jester's fool
12 years ago

Excuse me? You all are being unfair to steele! He is far more wiser and knows when to ignore people’s words and when to not! Such a still is highly frowned upon these days but steele is a man of virtue unlike you vile misandrists.

Sharculese
12 years ago

Sharculese – I am a fan of GirlWritesWhat. I have found most of her videos to be thoughtful and thought-provoking. I disagree with her here, in an instance of what seems, to me, an unfortunate error of judgment; I do not disown her, merely her cherry-picked words; in this particular instance.

david extensively quoted here and linked to the original and your still gonna stammer about ‘cherry-picking’ because your too much of a coward to address actual issues with your pretend me-too movement.

what happened to the dude who used to constantly stomp his feet about ‘intellectual dishonesty?” were you just saying you wanted to learn how to be more dishonest.

back to your cubicle, drone.

Anathema
Anathema
12 years ago

I disagree with her here, in an instance of what seems, to me, an unfortunate error of judgment; I do not disown her, merely her cherry-picked words; in this particular instance.

So . . .

quoting someone, providing the context for that quote plus their later clarification of their opinion and providing a link to the source so that reader’s can examine the context themselves = cherry-picking someone’s words??

WTF?

Sharculese
12 years ago

mikey doesnt think, he just engages in lazy identity politics because it makes him feel like a tough guy.

Anathema
Anathema
12 years ago

Ninja’d by Sharculese.

Falconer
Falconer
12 years ago

Wait, the meat world intrudes upon me for a couple of hours, and suddenly the woman who was arguing that maybe GWW isn’t completely off-base turns out to be Pell and starts lobbing shit all over the place?

Christ why do I ever do anything else? I missed all the fun.

The fat moths were beautiful, though.

Steele
Steele
12 years ago

Cliff – I do believe I understand what GWW is trying to say – she just went about it poorly.

Domestic violence is of course wrong. But vile misandrist-feminists, given their misandry, are obsessed with even the smallest display of force to such a degree that borders on the absurd. People hit people all the time – and it’s always wrong – but the only instance in which it’s seen as some kind of mortal sin in when a man hits a woman that he is in a relationship with. It’s just another angle from which M-feminists can show their vile natures.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
12 years ago

thoughtful and thought-provoking

She sounds like an utter fool:

The myth among feminists that men will insult each other for displaying feminine traits because they see women as inferior is just that–a myth. Men do this because women have a trump card that bestows intrinsic value on them–their uteruses–and they retain that value even when they gender-bend a little. A woman who acts like a woman is not seen as inferior. A man who acts like a woman has always been seen not as a woman, but as a “woman without a womb”. He has no female value, and he has no male value. Therefore, he has NO value at all. And unlike women, men who were not “useful” did–and still do–get thrown on the trash heap of society.

jester's fool's fool
jester's fool's fool
12 years ago

My dear people; can’t you see what you have wrought in this should-be noble space? You slatternly time-wasters are but picking out words as a begger picks out weeds among worthwhile stones; you are but picking out boogers from a patrician nose.

Sharculese
12 years ago

Domestic violence is of course wrong. But vile misandrist-feminists, given their misandry, are obsessed with even the smallest display of force to such a degree that borders on the absurd. People hit people all the time – and it’s always wrong – but the only instance in which it’s seen as some kind of mortal sin in when a man hits a woman that he is in a relationship with. It’s just another angle from which M-feminists can show their vile natures.

yeah, i guess i can see how the dude who thinks it’s appropriate to scream at a woman he’s on a first date with would be up in arms about anyone trying to point out what abuse really looks like

clairedammit
clairedammit
12 years ago

Cliff – I do believe I understand what GWW is trying to say – she just went about it poorly.

Domestic violence is of course wrong. But vile misandrist-feminists, given their misandry, are obsessed with even the smallest display of force to such a degree that borders on the absurd. People hit people all the time – and it’s always wrong – but the only instance in which it’s seen as some kind of mortal sin in when a man hits a woman that he is in a relationship with. It’s just another angle from which M-feminists can show their vile natures.

GWW didn’t say that at all. She said that the most common type of domestic violence is okay because it’s what women want.

Cliff Pervocracy
12 years ago

But vile misandrist-feminists, given their misandry, are obsessed with even the smallest display of force to such a degree that borders on the absurd. People hit people all the time – and it’s always wrong – but the only instance in which it’s seen as some kind of mortal sin in when a man hits a woman that he is in a relationship with.

Welp, you’ve got me convinced. Let’s make every kind of physical violence illegal!

…wait…

Sharculese
12 years ago

@tulgey

but is she… the jester’s fool?

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
12 years ago

People hit people all the time – and it’s always wrong – but the only instance in which it’s seen as some kind of mortal sin in when a man hits a woman that he is in a relationship with. It’s just another angle from which M-feminists can show their vile natures.

You really are just here for attention, aren’t you?

I’m a feminist and unlike GGW, I believe that hitting people -even if you just hit them a little bit- is wrong. That means I believe that it’s wrong for men to slap women, for women to slap men, and for adults to slap around their children.

So in the statement above, are you lying or just being stupid?

Sharculese
12 years ago

I can totally see how the dude who spends all his free time coming up with ways to call people he doesnt like evil on the internet because he’s unhappy with his life as a faceless corporate drone would be upset about that too

Falconer
Falconer
12 years ago

The myth among feminists that men will insult each other for displaying feminine traits because they see women as inferior is just that–a myth. Men do this because women have a trump card that bestows intrinsic value on them–their uteruses–and they retain that value even when they gender-bend a little. A woman who acts like a woman is not seen as inferior. A man who acts like a woman has always been seen not as a woman, but as a “woman without a womb”. He has no female value, and he has no male value. Therefore, he has NO value at all. And unlike women, men who were not “useful” did–and still do–get thrown on the trash heap of society.

Naw, it’s totally that they’re calling men, women.

Otherwise, why do the convoluted thing about a “woman without a womb, therefore worthless,” when they could do the “man without balls, therefore worthless” instead, and save themselves massive headaches from trying to follow their chains of logic?

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Nicely done, jester’s fool, whoever you are.

creativewritingstudent
creativewritingstudent
12 years ago

I think, if the totality of this website is ‘cherry picking’, there must be at least five orchards stripped bare.

Snowy
Snowy
12 years ago

I suspect a jumbojester

jester's fool
jester's fool
12 years ago

@hellkell
I have no idea what you are referring to you v-feminist!

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