Here’s a bit of advice for Men’s Rights redditors and MRAs in general: if you don’t want people to associate the Men’s Rights movement with hatred, you should probably not associate yourselves with hate groups.
Yesterday, a fellow called heiligenschein posted a link in the Men’s Rights subreddit to a relatively new subreddit called simply SPLC, a subreddit set up by enemies of the Southern Poverty Law Center and devoted to, as heiligenschein put it, “compiling the numerous criticisms of the [SPLC].” As he explained in a comment:
That’s a somewhat odd criticism for heiligenschein, one of the moderators of the SPLC subreddit, to make. If you look at the front page of this subreddit, you’ll discover that he and his pals are already doing a fine job of associating themselves with “neo nazi nutters” all by themselves.
If you scroll through the links, you’ll notice that Heiligenschein has posted links to several different articles from VDare.com, which the SPLC describes as an “anti-immigration hate website” which “regularly publishes articles by prominent white nationalists, race scientists and anti-Semites.” Note to MRAs: if you’re disinclined to take the word of the SPLC on anything, all you need to do to get a sense of VDare’s genteel racism is to do a search on the site for, well, the word “racism,” or “immigrant.” Or you can read VDare founder Peter Brimelow’s repulsive victim-blaming post on the “root causes” of the Sikh temple murders in Wisconsin.
Heiligenschein also links to the virulently anti-immigrant American Patrol Report and a Confederacy-loving group called the Georgia Heritage Council; a quick glance at either group’s website will reveal what sort of organizations these are. He also links to a pretty hateful site called A Voice for Men, which some of you may have heard of already.
But the connection to the racist far-right goes beyond a couple of links. The five other moderators of the r/splc subreddit – mayonesa, dvance, Octuple, salsaverde, warkin – are also the moderators of reddit’s race-obsessed “new right” subreddit. Some of the submissions in that subreddit at the moment:
18% of marriages by Chinese and Japanese Americans are to Jews. Thoughts?
The poison of multiculturalism
USA Olympic athlete waves Mex flag: propaganda-bearing parasite prole being used as an infectious agent by the master parasite class?
The not-so-fab five also moderate a smaller subreddit called “alternative right,” a dog-whistle term amongst the far right for (pseudo) intellectual racism and so-called “human biological diversity.” Some of the submissions there, all of them submitted by moderator Mayonesa:
Emo neckbeards having hategasm over pro-white flyer
“I believe Europe to be the ‘white man’s country’. If they don’t want non-whites among them, I think it’s fair.”
Diversity perversity: Behind multicultural push is effort to degrade American culture
The West has been seriously damaged by Communist successes at memetic subversion.
The five run at least two more subreddits devoted to this kind of crap.
Just so you know, MRAs, these are the sort of people you end up hanging out with once you join the SPLC anti-fan club.
Naturally, the handful of comments I found in the r/mensrights discussion on the subject pointing out that the r/splc moderators were a bunch of race-obsessed far-right extremists — see here, here, and here — all got downvotes from the regulars there.
You’re digging your own hole here, MRAs.
@Hellkell: Becuz he’s constantly on the move, man, 16 hours a day, travelling incownito amongst a herd of cows in a cunning disguise (complete with udders), staying one step ahead of the Feminazi Death Squads that have been dispatched to dispatch him…..um, wait, I probably shouldn’t have said that, right? *erases frantically but just gets eraser dust in keyboard* Drat.
Mr Slave – if something is only a bit like something else then it’s not really a good analogy.
incownito
Just that pun alone makes up for the Owly post above it. 😛
This is a reason to be hated? Remind me again in what way you’re not racist?
owlslave you know karl marx was a white european man, right? or was there something wrong with the kind of white european man he was? i’m sure there’s something i remember, but i just cant put my finger on it…
It’s easy to label anyone as a hate group. They label ANY group who opposes immigration as a hate group. They label anyone who supports joint custody as a hate group. The point is that there is no sense in moderating your behaviour when you are going to be called a hate group anyways. I think the only way MRA’s are going to make progress is by becoming radicals like the leftists. We can do it. When you start messing with a man’s money and children, then you’re in trouble.
“I mean, everything is going the right wingers way at the moment with the cuts, austerity, etc. so why are they still whining about Commies under the bed like it’s the 1950′s?”
The revisionist history of liberals is hilarious. Under the bed? More than half of the world was covered with communist countries. The United States government was infested with communists prior to McCarthy. Fifth column commies gave the Soviets a nuclear weapon. Communism stretched into Germany. It was close to being in Spain thanks to international communists. You still have people claiming that Oswald was a racist instead of a Communist.
I deserve to be hated for not hating everyone else. Got it.
Ithiliana: incownito, that’s fucking brilliant.
NWO, I had no idea I was a Marxist. But yes, I am for all those things, more or less, with the added bonus that I can’t stand your dumb ass.
Sharculese: was he a…. JEW? (that was sounding like the SNL Church Lady when I typed that)
Very interesting. Not entirely surprising though. The MRAs remind me a lot of certain fundamentalist Christian sects in that…well, there isn’t very much that they seem not to hate. In fact anything even slightly different, any small level of dissent, is suspect, and then they are coming from a position where the group they represent has most of the power and wealth. Yep, makes sense in a twisted kind of way that they should find common cause with (notoriously anti-feminist and wholly xenophobic) fascists.
Hate always looks the same, really, doesn’t it?
I actually giggle a bit when NWO mentions Marxism or Marxist-inspired sub-theories. His hatred is the perfect antithesis to the highschool senior/college freshman who reads Marx for the first time and gets a wee bit to excited.
(though I would not bet that NWO has actually read any Marx)
@Buttman: “They label ANY group who opposes immigration as a hate group.”
Translated: “wwaaah, waaah, I said those people over there are subhuman animals and should be treated differently and less nicely than we treat nice white people and they said that makes me hateful!”
Newsflash: it does.
Oh! I know this one! It’s that he spoke SPANISH, right?
Hey if were gonna start with the bad puns again at least let me open some windows first!!
Illiathana, that pun stank like limburgh cheese. The brilliant ones always do.
Mr Slave – I’ve no commitment to the notion of a Marxist revolution so probably not a Marxist – however would recommend working the dialectic as a means of getting to understand another’s world view.
Yeah sorry nwo I guess being pro-diversity means I am a marxist which is bad and should be hated?
I dunno what that is suppose to mean anyway, we are not robots and cannot possibly be all the same. Why restrict people because of differences that harm no one? or is pro diversity about race? Thats what it usually stands for so yeah go ahead and call me hateful for thinking other races have a right to exist as well besides white people.
That’s why the revolution happened in Russa—both languages use the Cyrillic alphabet, and so Marxist texts were easy to translate from one language to the other.
You do realize this would entail more than smashing your keyboards, right? You all can’t even get a meetup off the ground.
I do love how the only time MRAs seem to give a rip about their kids is when they can be used as a pawn against the ex-spouse. It really adds something to the hot mess that is the MRM.
And yes, it’s Russa. Only Cultural Marxists call it Russia, land of diversity and gayness.
@slave @Buttman So the terms ‘feminist’, ‘marxist’ and ‘liberal’, among others, are just diverse (hah) ways of saying ‘evil baby-eating mass murdering Satanists’?
Well, thanks guys. I’ve learned something new today.
/fake gush mode
If that stuff makes me a Marxist, then I’m proud to call myself a Marxist.
@NWO – I actually am a socialist who at least partially agrees with Marxist theory and does use Marxist critique a lot, so yeah, if you want to call me a Marxist go for it.
Feminism does not come from Critical Theory. Feminism at least goes as far back as the 18th Century, Mary Wollonstonecraft and all that. I don’t get all of this “well critique of western values makes you a marxist” since wasn’t Marx part of the Western Enlightenment tradition (he did believe in freedom, reason and progress after all? While he did criticise the Enlightenment he did so from within the Enlightenment…) As for the “White men” thing, no I don’t, and I don’t get this one either. Marxism is a theory about CLASS, primarily, and a lot of white men, are you know, working class…I mean why associate Marxism with gays, women and cultural diversity and miss the bleedingly obvious? I don’t buy into any religion, the reason Christianity comes in for more criticism in Western nations is because it’s the dominant religion, not beceause it’s any better/worse than any other religion.
@Buttman – I wasn’t claiming that the Soviet Union et al. wasn’t a threat in the 1950’s. I’m just claiming that communism isn’t a threat now. There was paranoia during the 50s about communism, cos I’ve seen examples of the propaganda. “commies under the bed” was just a bit of a joke, okay? And I’m not a liberal, as I already said, I’m a socialist.
*blink*
*blink*
*boggle*
Wow.
Am I pro diversity? Yes. I do not want to live in a vacuum populated only by clones of myself. That would be quite boring, not to mention impractical.
Am I pro feminism? Yes. I don’t see any reason why women shouldn’t be treated like human beings.
Am I pro gay? Yes. No-one has every been able to explain to me why Teh Gayz are so terrible. In what way does their existence do me any harm? Other than raising the blood pressure of Westboro Baptist members, what harm do they do to anyone?
Do I criticize western values/tradition above all others? No. I try to be a little more even-handed in my criticisms.
Do I criticize white men above all others? No. See above.
Do I criticize Christianity above all others? No. See above.
This is all marxist critical theory? “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
I deserve to be hated? I suppose in your mind, since I answered “yes” to three of your questions, then I deserve to be hated by people like you. Forgive me if I fail to dissolve into a sobbing heap of butthurt.
Here: Have a kitten.
Freitag: Candidate for Best Manboobz Video 2012 right there! I love the bouncyness of the kitten and how the dog just doesn’t give any fucks. 😀
@nwoslave
And marxists deserve to be hated…why?
Oh, never mind, it’s clear your understanding of marxism is about as deep as a puddle. But considering your reading comprehension skills, that’s not suprising.
I am curious what the western values and traditions I’m supposed to criticize above all others are.
Your first three “accusations” are no-brainers. Duh. Manboobz is thankfully populated by a lot of decent people (a little corner of sanity on the internet), so of course we’re in favor of social justice. I’m sure most of us would happily plead guilty. Your next three claims, though…I dunno, I’ve been lurking here for a while, and I’ve never seen that. You have some evidence to back those up?
@Buttman
I’m pretty sure that NOT HATING will keep you from being labeled a hate group. Have you tried that? No? Quelle surprise.
Pleaseworkblockquotes, pleaseworkblockquotes.