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Reddit Island Redux, or, The Possibly True Saga of Current Island

Dudes, try making a Lego island first, see how that goes.

You remember Reddit Island, right? The utterly serious, unintentionally hilarious project in which a bunch of Redditors attempt to set up a Reddity miniature utopia on some remote island somewhere? They are still trying to find an island, and apparently that process is … not going so swimmingly.

As Adrian Chen of Gawker notes in a nice long piece on the project, a fortysomething IT guy from Virginia names Mark Wells has been telling prospective Reddit Islanders that he may have found the perfect place for them:

Wells, who uses the handle Citizenpolitician, explained in a series of increasingly breathless posts on Reddit Island that he’d been scoping out a tiny tropical splotch called Current Island. Just off the coast of Bahamian island of Eluthera, Current is sparsely inhabited, and could be a possible option for their settlement. He’d cold-called members of the local government about the possibility of having a few hundred internet nerds settle Current Island. And he had been met with a very promising response.

Or so Wells said. Trouble is — SPOILER ALERT — Chen himself got in touch with Theo Neilly, the Bahamian Member of Parlliament who Wells had said was “very interested” in the Reddit Island project. And Neilly had a rather different story to tell Chen:

Neilly was more than a little surprised when I told him this. He’d never spoken with or even received an email from Wells, he said. He had heard word of Reddit Island, but only because an acquaintance Wells had actually contacted forwarded him the email. … [E]veryone in Eluthera I spoke to was eager to distance themselves and anyone they knew from him the Reddit Island idea.

D’oh!

Wella, for his part, claims that Chen has mucked up a good thing by actually trying to check to see if anything Wells was saying was true.

When Chen contacted the Bahamians, after being asked not to be involved since we were at a delicate time trying to start a process of negotiations, his contact to the Bahamians, making the relationship public, removed all opportunity for any further communication with the Bahamians and I am afraid now that he has gone to the extent of mentioning them in his article, will suffer political fall out because of this. THis is extremely poor journalism and unfortunate not just for us but for those that wanted to find out more about what we had to offer and what could come of that.

This also puts us in a difficult situation because any further communications with other land owners and government representatives in other countries could become publicly abused as this relationship did and end all hopes for negotiating in good faith with those people. It means that going further will be difficult if we are to maintain transparency and be open to the group here because people like Chen will use it to distort and dismantle those efforts.

So, back to the drawing board, I guess. (The whole discussion of Chen’s article in the Reddit Island subreddit is hilarious, actually.)

Let me make a suggestion, guys: Don’t try to go it alone! Basically, what you’re talking about is forming a tiny civilization that will be essentially a bunch of dudes. In the past, you guys have treated the “sausage party” aspect of the project as a liability.

Instead, you should embrace it as a selling point. Team up with some of the fellas over in the Men’s Rights subreddit; many of them seem not to be fans of women at all.

Heck, some of the guys there are ALREADY TALKING ABOUT GETTING AN ISLAND:

MRA Island! Make it a reality.

In related news, a number of years back a bunch of Something Awful goons launched a similar island project. It involved an actual tropical  island and everything. It seems to have fallen apart; it’s not clear (since I haven’t actually read anything about it beyond that blog post I linked)  if there was any cannibalism involved.

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feministwiep
feministwiep
8 years ago

Has anyone here read Stark by Ben Elton?

Dvärghundspossen
8 years ago

Oh, I have! Forgot about that one! But the rich guys did bring women so they’d have something to fuck. And then they went all depressed and committed suicide.

scrapemind
8 years ago

“Right-wing authoritarian” just means someone the speaker disagrees with. It has nothing to do with what side of the political spectrum one supports.

kiki
kiki
8 years ago

Erm… who mentioned right-wing authoritarianism?

I bet when someone yells “Hey jackass!” in a crowded room to nobody in particular, you fall for it every time!

scrapemind
8 years ago

Erm… who mentioned right-wing authoritarianism?

Reynardine.

I bet when someone yells “Hey jackass!” in a crowded room to nobody in particular, you fall for it every time!

Not every time, only when I’m too distracted to restrain myself from my natural tendency to do so.

cendare
8 years ago

“Right-wing authoritarian” just means someone the speaker disagrees with. It has nothing to do with what side of the political spectrum one supports.

<sage nod>
Also, one of the effects of insulin is to suppress the fat-burning hormones in the blood, and to encourage glucose-burning instead…
Wait, we’re *not* trying for the most off-topic comment? Well, darn.

RubyHypatia
RubyHypatia
8 years ago

Life-size dolls would be Man Island’s number one import. LOL!

heidihi
heidihi
8 years ago

@Balance “How many female construction workers do you see that do anything other than holding signs?”

Um, lots? My hubsband owns a construction company; when he was coming up through the ranks he had a lot of female fore-persons to look up to, and he still keeps in touch with them on FB and asks for their engineering/problem-solving/building advice. Currently, his engineer is a woman, and so was his last project manager (before she moved away, sniff!).

Your vision of the world, it doesn’t correspond with reality. Perhaps you aren’t seeing female construction workers because you work in a cushy HR job? 🙂

heidihi
heidihi
8 years ago

@Balance oh, derp, also i’m the superintendant of my building. MWF i can be found hauling the trash (and sorting it because grown ass adults can’t be bothered to learn the recycling rules) for a 32 unit brooklyn co-op. Mind the rats! On the weekends i’m doing boiler maintenance, cleaning the common areas, or, like this past weekend, cleaning the aerators on a kitchen faucet because the manly manly man who lives in the unit had low water pressure and had no idea why! On top of that, he had wrenched his ancient globe valves back and forth and they’d failed and begun leaking; while he wrung his hands behind me, i replacing the graphite packing to stop the leak.

And that’s my 2nd part time job. My 40 hour a work job is receptionist at a midtown financial firm. So when i’m hauling trash i’m often doing it in corporate skirt and heels.

The company that my husband owns is only a year old, and in that time he’s repaid the capital investment we put into it, but as it grows, i still need to work two jobs so that he can live his dream and i wouldn’t have it any other way. You know what they say, happy husband, happy life. 🙂

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
8 years ago

Hey! Another super!!!

My personal favorite…showing men how to flip the breaker when they overload a circuit. Repair and construction is not coded in the Y chromosome and women don’t melt when they handled all those manly tools. Also, nice women just hold the signs. Because its not like we ever see men just holding the signs right.? And for all you know, that woman could be the engineer supervising the construction if she’s watching the men work.

I’ll take your rats if you take my skunks.

heidihi
heidihi
8 years ago

@Pillowinhell, wow, sweet! Ha, electrical fun, i know it well, we’ve got half the units with fuseboxes and people don’t even know where to buy new ones any more. We’ve got a guy who’s afraid to even open his panel because WHAT IF HE GETS ELECTROCUTED!??? I think he’s seen one too many movies where the electrical company shuts the lights off due to nonpayment and the panel starts sparking (okay the only one i’ve ever seen is Rent but still i am in NYC.) 🙂

And i mean thanks for the offer and all but i could never deprive you of your skunks i’m sure. (!!!!) how do you deal with them? the rats aren’t so bad really (except for one year when we had an infestation and i was trapping them in the cans and pile driving them with a 2×4.) But that would never work with skunks i can’t even think of what to do. The most offensive creature i’ve ever found rummaging our trash is the one local can collector who refuses to retie the bags and uses swearwords when i ask him to.

leftwingfox
8 years ago

No building codes, minimum wage, or gun restrictions! What could possibly go wrong?

OGOD! Why does freedom have to be so flammable!?!

leftwingfox
8 years ago

Odd, I’m sure I had a blockquote tag in there…

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
8 years ago

Heidihi yeah a lot of people are very cautious about breaker switches, but never have a care about overloading them in the first place. Sure! Go ahead and run your airconditioner at full blast, your fridge, your stove and your microwave all on the same plug at the same time! Its allll good.

The sunks here are just babies. They got left behind when a pest control company got mom and some of the kits but can’t be arsed to find where the babies are denning up now. Just don’t come out late at night and startle them.

Falconer
Falconer
8 years ago

There were wee skunks denning off of a trail behind my mother-in-law’s house a few years ago. You might startle one in the daytime if you were not paying attention. They were adorbs.

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
8 years ago

Falconer

I know eh? Who would have thought such smelly, smelly creatures could be so fuzzy wuzzy CUTE!

I’m now of the opinion that they developed the stench in an effort to prevent humans from petting all their fuzzies off.

Falconer
Falconer
8 years ago

Good thing they live where tomatoes can be grown.

Bad thing they don’t know how to deal with cars 🙁

Zanana
Zanana
8 years ago

I saw this article and immediately thought of the poor MGTOWers who haven’t managed to GTOW yet. Someone should buy them some:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/orthodox-jews-blur-women-out-with-glasses/story-e6frf7k6-1226448145306

blitzgal
8 years ago

My personal favorite…showing men how to flip the breaker when they overload a circuit.

Shamefully, I know how to do this because of my hair dryer.

Rutee Katreya
8 years ago

“Right-wing authoritarian” just means someone the speaker disagrees with. It has nothing to do with what side of the political spectrum one supports.

…which is a thing Scrapemind has never and would never do? Like how you’d never put words in people’s mouths, or be a misogynist jackass? Did the widdle right winger have his feelings hurt?

r
r
8 years ago

some rich person; please just buy them an island already to shut them up

drst
drst
8 years ago

“Right-wing authoritarian” just means someone the speaker disagrees with. It has nothing to do with what side of the political spectrum one supports.

“Authoritarian” = “right wing.” In fact it’s extreme right wing, BY DEFINITION.

WordSpinner
WordSpinner
8 years ago

Zanana,

Well, at least now they’re taking the hint and taking it up upon themselves not to see women instead of expecting women to do all the work for them.

BlackBloc (@XBlackBlocX)

@drst: There are authoritarian left-wingers, you know. Even if, like me, you consider Stalin and Mao to be more properly examples of fascist entryism in the Left than examples of authoritarian leftists, there are still Lenin and Trotsky, amongst others.

Molly moon
Molly moon
8 years ago

@fembot

Just out of curiosity, what don’t you like about the love part?

Oh, it’s not that I dislike it, I was just trying to help with this problem you are having;

So, I guess I don’t know how I could avoid the message “you need a woman to be happy,” when really the important point is that women deserve to exist. ? It’s confusing.

(although personally I always enjoy entertainment with no love story. I’ve never been in love and I don’t really see it happening and I’m not sure I want it anyway, and every story has a romantic component and I just can’t relate and I feel like a freak. When I think about it, at least)

Amused
8 years ago

Karak86:

I’m not gonna lie, I think the idea of going off and making a pretend civilization on an island is kind of a fun idea, and would actually be pretty awesome if they managed to pull it off to any worthwhile extent.

It’s fun on paper. Reality, however, is a different matter.

It’s fun until you (not you, Karak, 86, but generic MGTOW “you”) realize that the only source of fresh water on your island is little more than a trickle, and while it may be enough to sustain 1 or 2 people for a week, it certainly won’t support a hundred people on a permanent basis. Any MGTOW’s out there with knowledge of building desalination facilities?

It’s fun until you realize air conditioning and lights don’t come from pushing buttons. Generating electricity is complicated. Building and maintaining delivery systems if you buy electricity generated by someone else is complicated.

It’s fun until you realize that your trash doesn’t just disappear into thin air, and that you’ll probably have to live surrounded by mountains of odoriferous, decomposing waste.

It’s fun until some MGTOW takes a crap under a random bush (remember: no “stupid” society laws, like “though shall not shit just anywhere, man” to keep a man down, and sewage seeps into your drinking water, and you start dying of waterborne diseases.

It’s fun until you learn that your sole fresh water source is contaminated with intestinal parasites, and said parasites lay eggs in your digestive tract, and you start shitting blood and having wriggly things crawl out of your anus. I’d say at that point, not even blaming women would make you feel better.

It’s fun until you get sick and need major surgery, like, this minute. Or until you get a toothache.

It’s fun until the next hurricane destroys all your crops, your boats, your makeshift dwellings and your “infrastructure”.

It’s fun until it becomes clear that outside of highly industrialized civilization, it is impossible to keep mud and dirt from getting everywhere and all over everything. Including your food. That’s going to wear your teeth right down to the gums within less than a decade.

It’s fun until you realize that raising crops is damned hard work, that preserving foods for use all year-round is basically a science, that domestic animals stink and generate a fuckton of shit, and that slaughtering safely and preserving meat, especially in a tropical climate, is really complicated.

It’s fun until it dawns on the lot of you that living in your own little “city on a hill”, cut off from civilization, is less lounging in a hammock and pontificating about how the rest of the world is probably collapsing CUZ BITCHEZ, and more working with your hands from sun up to sun down, in blistering sun and unbearable heat, to total exhaustion. And once that realization sinks in, people will, of course, start fighting over who contributes what and who should be in charge.

I’d say it would be a good experiment to put these men on an uninhabited island somewhere with just basic tools, let them stick it out for a couple of years and then ask (if they are still alive at that point): “Okay, tell us again how much you hate women?”

Nicole
Nicole
8 years ago

This is actually very opportune timing- I just read an article by a female journalist (Anne Friedman) discussing how sexual harassment was the norm, not the exception- and she mentioned a term female journalists used to describe their harassers. They said they were “on the island”, because they had a dream that one day they would all get shipwrecked on an island together with only each other to harass. Sounds like some of those guys are already thinking of doing it to themselves!
http://annfriedman.com/post/29139984474/is-he-on-the-island-on-the-lack-of-professional

I think we should give all of these men our full support on getting the heck out of mainstream society and onto their own little island!

Shaenon
8 years ago

Last time I checked in on the Reddit Island subreddit, what gave me the most pause was that I couldn’t find any mention of garbage collection. Or bathing.

The sanitation discussion was split between the guys who wanted to have plumbing installed, the guys who thought they could dig outhouses instead, and one guy who was in favor of just crapping in the woods.

The one halfway sensible poster was a guy who ran an ecotourism resort in Belize. He was the one who pointed out that before they started planning the hydroponic farm, the communications satellite, and the fort for fighting pirates, they were going to need mosquito netting.

katz
8 years ago

This. Culturally, all traces of women are gone. The men on the planet do not know that the human species has women. The woman, however, is from an Earth like planet where the different genders all mix…

The point is that the men on this planet have radically altered nature, because they had become so misogynistic they honestly thought they were saving humanity by getting rid of women. But the sex drive is still present in these men, they just channel it or suppress it. I guess some men would still be gay, but since it’s forbidden, they can’t be together openly. Or maybe they take pills that destroy all sexual/romantic/emotional impulse.

(First of all, tell me to shut up if I’m annoying you; I just like unpacking literature.)

OK, but I don’t think the main theme here is “women have the right to exist,” because women do exist and their existence isn’t threatened in any way by the Planet of the Menz, nor are they missing out by not getting to live there. The more prominent theme is that the mens’ lives are miserable as a result of getting rid of all the women, or, more succinctly, “men need women.”

(Another interesting story in the same world, and one that would focus more on womens’ right to exist, would be to have one of their artificial wombs glitch and produce a girl, and then someone kidnaps the baby to raise it because he knows that, if the authorities found out, they would kill her.)

katz
8 years ago

Wow, I fail. Here’s my part of the post, non-blockquoted.

(First of all, tell me to shut up if I’m annoying you; I just like unpacking literature.)

OK, but I don’t think the main theme here is “women have the right to exist,” because women do exist and their existence isn’t threatened in any way by the Planet of the Menz, nor are they missing out by not getting to live there. The more prominent theme is that the mens’ lives are miserable as a result of getting rid of all the women, or, more succinctly, “men need women.”

(Another interesting story in the same world, and one that would focus more on womens’ right to exist, would be to have one of their artificial wombs glitch and produce a girl, and then someone kidnaps the baby to raise it because he knows that, if the authorities found out, they would kill her.)

pecunium
8 years ago

So… because Chen wrote about something in the public sphere (becaus Wells spoke about it on Reddit… with I am sure no warning that things were, “at a delicate time” the fault is Chen’s?

Dude… that’s not the way it works. If you are in delicate, and secretive negotiations, it’s up to you to keep them secret.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
8 years ago

Last time I checked in on the Reddit Island subreddit, what gave me the most pause was that I couldn’t find any mention of garbage collection. Or bathing.

Hygiene? Misandry.
Sewers are for Manginas;
Noses are for chicks.

misandrysenryu

pecunium
8 years ago

The Thiel Involvement has changed; mostly becase Patri was an ass. I know those people (I used to hang out with their circle, when I was in Palo Alto)… clueless doesn’t even begin to describe it.

So Thiel and Patri had a falling out of some sort, and since the project was basicallt Patri’s he left, and the remainder sort of fell apart.

Imagine Jamestown, without the tobacco. That’s better than the actual plans they have; mostly because, for all the money they have (and Patri is rich to start with… His grandfather was Milton Friedman) they have no idea of how the world works (see above, re Patri and money). Patri already built one, semi-libertarian place (Tortuga… which is the folks I know), and it works tolerably well; except that some people are more equal than others, and not on merit, it’s money.

Which is what the idea they have for those islands is all about. Rich people will buy shares, and everyone else will be a sort of bondservant; doing the scutwork to earn their share.

No way that could go wrong, not when all the necessities of life are being imported.

pecunium
8 years ago

I see Balance is confused.

Gardening… Preserving food… cleaning… laundry, spinning, weaving, sewing, those are all, “womanly arts”.

If they hired a team of people to build infrastructure on the island, I seriously doubt there would be many women on that team if any at all. How many female construction workers do you see that do anything other than holding signs?

How many construction sites have you been on? Even ignoring that there are women who pour concreted, and frame strucures, and set re-bar and spread asphalt, and operate backhoes and graders and cranes; construction requires logistics, and design and those are things which are both independent of brute strength, and jobs women fill.

I see lots of women on surveying teams. Do you know how to work a theodolite?

But hiring that team…. costs money. The going rate for basic roads is on the order of $100,000 per mile (planned, surveyed, graded, bedded, packed, topped).

It’s not cheap. It’s also not trivial to harvest, thresh and store grain (be it triticale, or rice, or, millet, or oats, or….). Then it has to be ground, and baked. Do you know how to make/maintain a sourdough starter?

Can you make beer? That was traditionally women’s work too (hence the term, Alewife). What about tending chickens, collecting eggs? Shearing sheep, cleaning, carding, batting, spinning wool? Warping a loom?

How about retting linen? Making mustard? Picking beans? Weeding the beets? Making saurkraut?

Being self-sufficient means either knowing how to do that (and a lot more besides) or having skills/goods you can trade for them.

These guys don’t have them.

Me, I can do a lot of them. I also have the reference works to do a lot more (and there is a lot more I know how to do). But even if one is a Selkirk, it’s hard. And Selkirk had a huge advantage, he lived in a place which was more than adequate to his needs. Even at that he almost died by mischance a few times.

I’d not want to go someplace without a lot of supplies, a fair bit of money, regular contact with the rest of the world and some people I knew, who knew how to live in a community, and could resolve differences.

Otherwise it would quickly become unpleasant. It’s village life, everyone knows everyone else and frictions have to be dealt with. Things that don’t matter in an urban setting do matter when the margins are thinner; or there isn’t anyplace to get away from people. The people I see advocating “moving away to found a paradise” don’t seem to have the conceptual awareness of it. They aren’t kibbutznikim, they are the sort who decide to “found a commune” and follow their bliss, thinking that, “nature” is where the living is easy.

Which is is, if you know the things you need to live. If you don’t… you starve, or freeze, or otherwise end up miserable.

Sylocat
Sylocat
8 years ago

I think David might be trying a little too hard to link this to the MRM.

I mean, dude, the MRM spits a lot of horrible shit on their own, you don’t need to stretch.

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
8 years ago

Ah. Another person with reading comprehension fail. David isn’t saying they are linked. He’s saying they should get together.

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
8 years ago

I wonder how many of these guys know how to trap small game, know when to harvest wild or domestic plants, how to breed animals to improve the stock, how to make nets, basket weaving, pottery, trap small game, scrape and cure hides. Do they know which plants are medicinal and the best times and places to find them? Do they know how to work leather, make bricks, build ovens, make paper and ink?

fembot
8 years ago

@Katz
@MollyRen

Those are interesting ideas. Thank you for discussing this with me. I like bouncing ideas around like this.

fembot
8 years ago

@pilowinhell

This is totally OT, but I’ve always been very curious about your name. Is there a story behind it? Does “pillowinhell” have a meaning? Just asking. 😀

Shaenon
8 years ago

Ah. Another person with reading comprehension fail. David isn’t saying they are linked. He’s saying they should get together.

Also, Manboobz isn’t strictly about the MRM. There’s been plenty of misogyny in the Reddit Island subreddit, mostly regarding the Redditors’ plots to import women to the island for sex and their baffled discussions as to why no female Redditor wants to come within a hundred miles of their hypothetical paradise (spoilers: it’s because women are stupid and lack “pioneer spirit”).

I admit it: I love Reddit Island.

Kavette
Kavette
8 years ago

I’m sorry but we’re talking about young people with unrealistic goals. Hardly something to make fun of.

My daughter told me to download alienblue on my iphone so I am now reading reddit. I read so far askreddit which is really pretty charming regarding peoples stories. I read funny and just posted my grandcat on awww.

From reading wtf I know there are places on reddit (horse porn??) that i don’t want to go to, fine; I won’t got there. I also read on wtf that most reddit people think mens rights reddit is as weird/funny/bizarre as horse porn.

This bashing of the above to me as an older person just seems like your picking on kids. I find it ironic that I have found this to be the most politically correct website I’ve ever come across yet it’s somehow deemed to be o.k for you to make fun of other people as long as they are not on your list of people that should never be made fun of ever.

I like reddit, I might spend 1/2 an hour a day reading askreddit alone. Sometimes the personal stories people post make me laugh, and even cry.

Here it seems you have people who have been bullied and in turn are bullying anyone who has a different opinion then theirs. Still doesn’t make it right kids.

I first came to this website because my mentally ill brother-in-law became a mra and threatened his family etc etc… Today if I was to post that i thought a mra poster was mentally ill I’d get a barrage of messages back telling me I’m an awful person for linking the mentally ill to the mra or something.

You kids are in a circle jerk. Yes the things mra’s say are funny, and I’m glad David is hosting this website but in all honestly some of the posters and posts are pretty much the same thing.

Long story short… you are turning into mean girls.

katz
8 years ago

I find it ironic that I have found this to be the most politically correct website I’ve ever come across yet it’s somehow deemed to be o.k for you to make fun of other people as long as they are not on your list of people that should never be made fun of ever.

You should be aware that most people (as far as I know) follow the same rule of thumb as me: Once someone says “politically correct,” they have officially announced that they have nothing to add to the discussion.

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
8 years ago

Mean girl? Bwhahahahaahaaa!!!!!

Sorry, but speaking for myself I was born a pedigree BITCH. A trait proudly passed down from mother to daughter for four generations.

So you can take your commentary on how we aren’t “nice” enough and shove it where the sun don’t shine.

Snowy
Snowy
8 years ago

You kids are in a circle jerk. Yes the things mra’s say are funny, and I’m glad David is hosting this website but in all honestly some of the posters and posts are pretty much the same thing.

Long story short… you are turning into mean girls.

Hmm, that’s utterly fascinating but maybe you could just stick to reddit if the stuff here is not your cup of tea? Or do you get some kind of psychic income from tone trolling?

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
8 years ago

From reading wtf I know there are places on reddit (horse porn??) that i don’t want to go to, fine; I won’t got there. I also read on wtf that most reddit people think mens rights reddit is as weird/funny/bizarre as horse porn.

I never thought i’d see someone mention horse porn and say “meh”, but since this was the day we found pterodactyl porn.. Yeah.

jumbofisch
jumbofisch
8 years ago

I first came to this website because my mentally ill brother-in-law became a mra and threatened his family etc etc… Today if I was to post that i thought a mra poster was mentally ill I’d get a barrage of messages back telling me I’m an awful person for linking the mentally ill to the mra or something.

Uh “kavette” you mean your husband came here originally right? You came here because your husband was tired of posting here and you mysteriously took over his account…. *caugh*

EEB
EEB
8 years ago

@fembot

You should read Ethan of Athos by Lois McMaster Bujold. It’s one of my favorites, part of the Vorkosigan Saga, a great sci-fi book series. (There are some problematic parts, but I love that the main hero is disabled and doesn’t get magically cured–at least as far into the series as I’ve read so far–and has to deal with both his own chronic pain and injuries as well as the way people react to him. There just aren’t a lot of disabled heroes out there. There are some pretty kick-ass female characters, too.)

Athos is an all-male planet, deliberately so because of the religious beliefs and culture that thinks women are evil and destroy men. The men form families and raise kids that are grown in artificial wombs (a staple in the Vorkosigan universe). Some of them are homosexual, some are just close friends. When they need more genetic material, the send a guy (Ethan) to go get some. He meets a woman for the first time and they have adventures and all that kind of sci-fi stuff. Really, really cool book, because she does a great job of world-building and explaining the society.

jumbofisch
jumbofisch
8 years ago

This bashing of the above to me as an older person just seems like your picking on kids. I find it ironic that I have found this to be the most politically correct website I’ve ever come across yet it’s somehow deemed to be o.k for you to make fun of other people as long as they are not on your list of people that should never be made fun of ever.

How dare you make fun of badly planned out things misogynists do to avoid being with women! XD

Here it seems you have people who have been bullied and in turn are bullying anyone who has a different opinion then theirs. Still doesn’t make it right kids.

I like that she calls everyone here kids. Dude, a good portion of the posters here are in their 30’s and older.

You kids are in a circle jerk. Yes the things mra’s say are funny, and I’m glad David is hosting this website but in all honestly some of the posters and posts are pretty much the same thing.

ahaha “kids” again

If you love reddit so much and despise manboobz go to reddit?

jumbofisch
jumbofisch
8 years ago

Today if I was to post that i thought a mra poster was mentally ill I’d get a barrage of messages back telling me I’m an awful person for linking the mentally ill to the mra or something.

Also you are equating mentally ill with being bad and thats not fucking true so no shit people are going to raise a fuss. I do not care if your brother was mentally ill and violent and bad, that does not make all who are mentally ill violent and bad.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

See ya, Kavette. Can’t say I’m going to miss you – 38 year olds tend to get a bit testy when you call them kids, you know?

(Unless you’re 90 in which case sure, go ahead and call everyone here kids.)