So apparently I’m way off base with this “misogyny” thing. For example, I have been under the impression that I have been finding misogynistic stuff in the Men’s Rights subreddit, like, all the time. With upvotes, and everything. But evidently I’m wrong.
Because now ignatiusloyola, one of the subreddit mods, has done a very scientific study that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that, well, whatever misogyny is there is officially not a big damn deal.
Ig explains his protocol:
I did a quick scan of the first 400 comments on the list (100/page, 4 pages in). I scanned for words like “cunt” and “whore”, and read the context of these. I looked for the words “woman” and “women”, and read the context of these. I looked for “suffrage” and “vote” also.
I found two comments that used the word “cunt”, one of them was used to describe men, the other to describe a specific woman. The only instances of “whore” were “attention whore”.
There were two comments involving the word “woman” that generalized women with negative stereotypes.
“Suffrage” and “vote” instances did not involve any context that suggested that women did not deserve the right to vote.
How a person defines “hatred of women”, either loosely (suggestive from context, rather than explicit) or strictly (explicit statements), it is pretty clear that out of 400 comments, very few are misogynistic.
Does misogyny exist? Yes. But it does not seem to be a significant contribution to r/MensRights. At best, people are seeing a few comments and focusing on their existence while ignoring the rest.
It’s a lot like that time Michael Richards did that standup routine, and everyone focused on that one word he said, totally ignoring all the other words he used that were totally not racist slurs. I mean, yeah, he said that word a bunch of times, but it still made up a very small percentage of all the words he used that evening.
So that’s that, then. Misogyny, officially not a problem!
Or that would have been that, had Ig not actually posted about his experiment to the subreddit he had just proved was, like, totally non-misogynistic:
Because it turned out that a couple of the fellas had an issue with Ig’s methodology. In particular, that stuff about female suffrage. Because, apparently, you can totally be against women having the right to vote and still not be a misogynist. As zyk0s put it (garnering upvotes in the process):
[T]here’s the matter of female suffrage. I really don’t see how suggesting women should not have been granted the right to vote is misogyny. It might be motivated by it, but not necessarily so, and treating it as such is akin to criminalizing holocaust denial: it’s censorship, pure and simple, and if [1] /r/MR wants to keep calling itself an open space where ideas are not silenced, that attitude has to change.
Our friend Demonspawn went even further(and got a few upvotes himself):
Suggesting that the government works better without the women’s vote is not misogyny. It’s an analysis of the facts and the consequences of allowing women’s suffrage.
Suggesting that women retain the right to vote without the corresponding responsibilities that men face is misandry.
So there you have it. The Men’s Rights subreddit doesn’t have a misogyny problem; if anything, it’s a hotbed of misandry.
Thanks Dracula and Katz, nevermind me and my compliment fishing, my self-esteem is at like -2000 right now so I’m all “grr can’t do anything grr”. But thank you.
Given that Owly unquestioningly accepts all the MRM paradoxes, I don’t think he’s an AI.
Women should earn their own money and not leech off men, but not steel jobs from men and should stay home and raise kids. A woman can be both a slut and a frigid tease. Etc.
Unless some evil misogynist has come up with a paradox-proof AI…
If you think women shouldn’t have the right to vote, then you obviously look down on them as unequal to men. That’s misogyny.
I prefer things with serifs, actually.
And is it me, or does Comic Sans not look like anything you’ve ever seen used in an actual comic book?
FONTS
FONTS with serifs.
Serifs on everything! XD
Although I do like the look of 1st-edition AD&D products, all in Century Gothic, neat and tidy.
Viscaria, you’re funny and clever and thoughtful and your ability to say the things I wanted to say borders on psychic. I will happily send you a compliment any time you like 🙂
Because I’m a curious sort, NWO, what do you consider redeeming qualities in a woman?
Hey NWO, can you possibly PROJECT HARDER?!
Seriously, stop putting words in everyone else’s mouths but your own. Your lack of self awareness and ability to take responsibility for your own opinions and thoughts is simply pathetic.
Misogyny- the bigotry that keeps on blaming you for being a woman because REASONS but they wont tell you those reasons because women are too stupid to understand them. But it isn’t like they hate or belittle you because they WANT to. Oh no, it’s all completely out of their hands and they can’t be responsible for their own rage and violence. Because mumble mumble trail off gobacktothekitchen slutty slut.
When will they ever learn that it is painfully easy to see their hate when they wear in on their sleeves like that?
I’m sorry you’re down, Viscaria. Have a bulldog:
Viscaria, your writing is consistently intelligent, insightful, engaging and entertaining. Also you’re awesome and I like you a lot. 🙂
Anyway the real thing isn’t that my friend uses Comic Sans–I don’t know if he ever actually has–because ignorance exists and whatever, you can’t educate everyone about everything.
The real thing is that he knows everyone hates Comic Sans, shoots down any attempts to explain why, thinks designers are a bunch of snobs for rejecting a font that normal people like so much, and wants to use it specifically to annoy them.
Can I change my answer? No apologies, just dump ‘im.
My Fonts of Choice are Calibri, Garamond, and Georgia.
Also, Viscaria, your writing is just fine, and this pitbull and kitten agree with me:
Well that’s just obnoxious.
Random animal video time again? Yay! I’ve never done video linking before, so prepare for asplodes.
Aha! Good.
..Still not trying blockquotes though. 😀
Ooh, Garamond and Georgia look nice.
I’ve got a bad association with Calibri because Word 2011 wants the default document to please management, so it starts with Calibri, 11 pt, at 1.15 spacing and with 10 pts after each paragraph.
Drives me nuts. I am a professional wordsmith, here. Can I please get a default document that looks professional? /rantrant
@Shade: Blockquotes are deep magic.
I’m just glad the default document isn’t Times New Roman anymore. There’s really nothing wrong with Times New Roman, but I’m so used to seeing it as the “zero design effort” font that I got really sick of it.
Viscaria, nobody ought to be down on a Friday. Here’s a litter of fat baby bulldogs learning to walk.
@Cliff: Well now there’s no going back. Words have been said that cannot be unsaid.
/silly
Freitag: Oh geez, the squeaking. >.< Squee Mode: Activate!