So apparently I’m way off base with this “misogyny” thing. For example, I have been under the impression that I have been finding misogynistic stuff in the Men’s Rights subreddit, like, all the time. With upvotes, and everything. But evidently I’m wrong.
Because now ignatiusloyola, one of the subreddit mods, has done a very scientific study that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that, well, whatever misogyny is there is officially not a big damn deal.
Ig explains his protocol:
I did a quick scan of the first 400 comments on the list (100/page, 4 pages in). I scanned for words like “cunt” and “whore”, and read the context of these. I looked for the words “woman” and “women”, and read the context of these. I looked for “suffrage” and “vote” also.
I found two comments that used the word “cunt”, one of them was used to describe men, the other to describe a specific woman. The only instances of “whore” were “attention whore”.
There were two comments involving the word “woman” that generalized women with negative stereotypes.
“Suffrage” and “vote” instances did not involve any context that suggested that women did not deserve the right to vote.
How a person defines “hatred of women”, either loosely (suggestive from context, rather than explicit) or strictly (explicit statements), it is pretty clear that out of 400 comments, very few are misogynistic.
Does misogyny exist? Yes. But it does not seem to be a significant contribution to r/MensRights. At best, people are seeing a few comments and focusing on their existence while ignoring the rest.
It’s a lot like that time Michael Richards did that standup routine, and everyone focused on that one word he said, totally ignoring all the other words he used that were totally not racist slurs. I mean, yeah, he said that word a bunch of times, but it still made up a very small percentage of all the words he used that evening.
So that’s that, then. Misogyny, officially not a problem!
Or that would have been that, had Ig not actually posted about his experiment to the subreddit he had just proved was, like, totally non-misogynistic:
Because it turned out that a couple of the fellas had an issue with Ig’s methodology. In particular, that stuff about female suffrage. Because, apparently, you can totally be against women having the right to vote and still not be a misogynist. As zyk0s put it (garnering upvotes in the process):
[T]here’s the matter of female suffrage. I really don’t see how suggesting women should not have been granted the right to vote is misogyny. It might be motivated by it, but not necessarily so, and treating it as such is akin to criminalizing holocaust denial: it’s censorship, pure and simple, and if [1] /r/MR wants to keep calling itself an open space where ideas are not silenced, that attitude has to change.
Our friend Demonspawn went even further(and got a few upvotes himself):
Suggesting that the government works better without the women’s vote is not misogyny. It’s an analysis of the facts and the consequences of allowing women’s suffrage.
Suggesting that women retain the right to vote without the corresponding responsibilities that men face is misandry.
So there you have it. The Men’s Rights subreddit doesn’t have a misogyny problem; if anything, it’s a hotbed of misandry.
Wow. Tom Martin took that pop sci story about how you could supposedly tell if people were gay and hallucinated the rest.
You realize that most people don’t laugh at fart jokes not because they flaunt social norms, but because they’re stupid, right? Like, if you were said “And then I let one RIP” to, say, Oscar Wilde, Amy Poehler, or Louis C. K., they wouldn’t laugh, but it’s not because they have no sense of humor. It’s because they’re not morons.
I first read that as “South Park”…..Now I am disappoint. 🙁 FYI, South Park is hella funny, as was Beavis & Butthead.
WTF is sexist about “People of Walmart”? It’s hilarious because those people not only are insipid, but willfully embarrass themselves by going out in public that way! 😛
Has it occurred to you that the reason only some nonfeminist women laugh at your stupid jokes is because those are the women who feel a social obligation to validate you?
Yes it has, Ugh. And I know for a fact that such is completely untrue.
MSN, we know you like classist and racist jokes too.
I don’t know about sexist, but it is straight up assholish to take pictures of people just going to the store to make fun of their appearance on the Internet. It is also an obviously moronic thing to find funny. It is the kind of humor that would be enjoyed in the future depicted in Idiocracy.
South Park had its moments. It was at its most clever when it was making fun of the American asshole culture that gave rise to things like People of Walmart, though.
MSN- … Huh. That was kind of thoughtful and empathetic. I’m going to go ahead and say it doesn’t lead to no sense of humour, just a different sense of humour. Also, There are quite a few people who just don’t find crude humour funny, but one thing at a time. But, you know, way to put yourself in women’s position in a non-hateful way. Do something nice for yourself today, you totally earned it.
Sure you do. Everyone just HAS to find the same jokes funny as adults that they found funny when they were nine, right? It’s only evil feminism that prevents normal adults from laughing over and over again at bodily functions. THIS IS CLEARLY THE MORE LOGICAL EXPLANATION.
You mean flouting social norms, not flaunting. Flaunting social norms would be, I dunno, making signs that say “We drink our tea with milk!” and waving them at vegans.
@viola
LOL! Best. Movement. Ever.
OP-ED: Farts are funny because farting is a bodily function that people do in public(and quite often accidentally). Bodily functions ARE rather disgusting which is why we do them in private and I say that’s how it should be. Just because something is natural, doesn’t mean that it’s “good” or pleasant to contemplate. That being said, farting in public in a noticeable way is a source of embarrassment. MUCH of humor focuses on ways of coping with embarrassment.
Nonetheless, yeah, I like crude humor but not to the exclusion of other types of humor….Like Irony in particular. The movie Ghost World totally cracked me up. As did Soul Plane and I heart Huckabees.
It’s true. A much larger portion of humor focuses on things that are new or unexpected. Fart jokes have been done to death. Making one now is worse than just quoting Futurama.
So what are these oh so hilarious jokes that you make that feminism has cruelly prevented most women from laughing at?
@ MSN- It just so happens I enjoy fart humour myself, but it is pretty low brow and some very funny people just don’t find a well timed fart witty or clever. Look, I don’t get it either, but I recognize that this doesn’t mean they aren’t funny, or they don’t find other stuff funny, it’s just that we don’t share a love of this particular genre. Offensive humour, on the other hand, kind of reminds me of people who think it’s funny when other people hurt themselves. Like the bully in class who walked up behind people, punched them in the kidneys and thought it was hilarious. The whole punchline is ‘and this person sucks because they are dumb for being in the way of my fists’. Not really funny, just cruel.
@MSN
Also, your political beliefs don’t count as a joke, although in the case of Canadarm sex the line between the two is very thin.
And I’ll admit, it’s still possible to make a funny fart joke, but it has to be pretty original. I laughed pretty hard at the food poisoning scene in Bridesmaids because it was just miles more awkward than basically any previous movie scene like that.
Still, I think 99% of all fart jokes are basically reruns of the top film in Idiocracy’s America.
Women laugh at crude humour just as much as men. The funnier a person is, the harder it is to make them laugh, therefore, it is easier to make women laugh. Feminists should be funnier than non-feminist women though, due to higher IQ, and higher testosterone, so it should be harder to make a feminist laugh.
Laughing is good for us, but being the victim of a joke is not – so it is important to generate humour which makes people laugh but which doesn’t attack others.
I should be focusing on attacking the occupational choice of prostitute (in all its forms), rather than the person.
Likewise, the man-hating sentiments in feminism, rather than the feminists.
Likewise, the woman-hating sentiments in the MRM, rather than the movement.
@ Tom- Wow, so much un-evidence claim making! So rather than bother with that silly study on which gender is funnier (already done, with results showing what non-sexists already knew) you are just going to go ahead and assume you were right all along? And throw a couple on unproven assertions on top of the first? If your take away is that you don’t want to be mean to people directly (just their profession), I guess it’s not a complete waste in the day of Tom Martin. But still really awful. No cookies for you. And about this whole ‘feminists have more testosterone than non-feminists’ thing. Beyond the obvious ‘wtf, that so clearly needs proof my brain is bleeding’ rebuttle, are you saying the women who are funnier than you on this site (and there are quite a few) have more testosterone than you? And are, in a way, manlier than you?
Besides crude humor, I also love satire and irony. Like this:
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Many hipsters hate it cuz they are foolish enough to take their scene too srsly and are unable to laugh at themselves. The thing is, I am just as likely to wear a T-Shirt saying “hippies smell”(and hippies are NOT sub-middle class FYI)as I am to laugh at People Of Wallmart. In the 90s, I was constantly mocking upper middle class grungemeisters for their intentionally ugly style of dress because they thought that bad taste and poor hygiene made them “authentic”. Ghost World the move mocks american culture and in particular, positivism. Thats why it’s awesome. 😉
You’re aware that women-hating is the only consistent feature of “the movement,” right? It’s not possible to meaningfully separate the two.
Hipsters(TM) aren’t a thing. They’re a collection of strawpeople held up by those who are desperate to convince the world they’re aren’t hipsters.
Haha making fun of hipsters and emo kids is not exactly avant-garde there, dude. It got played out for me in the tenth grade. And this video pretty much just goes for the low-hanging fruit. Yes, we all know hipsters like things that are ironic. Hearing it for the hundredth time is not all that hilarious.
Constantly? How many “jokes” can you get out out that?
Here’s a fun thought experiment: try to come up with a joke that is not actually just a criticism of how someone else dresses, talks or acts. Or is a criticism that brings in novelty, social subversion, warmth, irony, broken logic, wit, self-awareness or any of the other things that most people consider part of humor.
Saying “this unpopular and widely ridiculed group does not meet my social norms” is kind of like saying “This apple is red. HAHAHA.” Except at least the apple thing would be kind of unexpected.
@ MSN- it was cute, she is talented.
“What?! We’re practically obligated to burn their vinyls and concert tickets we got with the money we pretend we’re bereft of, are you kidding me?”
As a reference, this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0 is an an example of vicious mockery that brings in a whole bunch of satire, emotional storytelling, and witty phrases to actually be funny.
Oh, real quick, people who enjoy homeopathic remedies and hipsters are not the equivalent of oppressed minority groups. I really hope that is painfully obvious.