So apparently I’m way off base with this “misogyny” thing. For example, I have been under the impression that I have been finding misogynistic stuff in the Men’s Rights subreddit, like, all the time. With upvotes, and everything. But evidently I’m wrong.
Because now ignatiusloyola, one of the subreddit mods, has done a very scientific study that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that, well, whatever misogyny is there is officially not a big damn deal.
Ig explains his protocol:
I did a quick scan of the first 400 comments on the list (100/page, 4 pages in). I scanned for words like “cunt” and “whore”, and read the context of these. I looked for the words “woman” and “women”, and read the context of these. I looked for “suffrage” and “vote” also.
I found two comments that used the word “cunt”, one of them was used to describe men, the other to describe a specific woman. The only instances of “whore” were “attention whore”.
There were two comments involving the word “woman” that generalized women with negative stereotypes.
“Suffrage” and “vote” instances did not involve any context that suggested that women did not deserve the right to vote.
How a person defines “hatred of women”, either loosely (suggestive from context, rather than explicit) or strictly (explicit statements), it is pretty clear that out of 400 comments, very few are misogynistic.
Does misogyny exist? Yes. But it does not seem to be a significant contribution to r/MensRights. At best, people are seeing a few comments and focusing on their existence while ignoring the rest.
It’s a lot like that time Michael Richards did that standup routine, and everyone focused on that one word he said, totally ignoring all the other words he used that were totally not racist slurs. I mean, yeah, he said that word a bunch of times, but it still made up a very small percentage of all the words he used that evening.
So that’s that, then. Misogyny, officially not a problem!
Or that would have been that, had Ig not actually posted about his experiment to the subreddit he had just proved was, like, totally non-misogynistic:
Because it turned out that a couple of the fellas had an issue with Ig’s methodology. In particular, that stuff about female suffrage. Because, apparently, you can totally be against women having the right to vote and still not be a misogynist. As zyk0s put it (garnering upvotes in the process):
[T]here’s the matter of female suffrage. I really don’t see how suggesting women should not have been granted the right to vote is misogyny. It might be motivated by it, but not necessarily so, and treating it as such is akin to criminalizing holocaust denial: it’s censorship, pure and simple, and if [1] /r/MR wants to keep calling itself an open space where ideas are not silenced, that attitude has to change.
Our friend Demonspawn went even further(and got a few upvotes himself):
Suggesting that the government works better without the women’s vote is not misogyny. It’s an analysis of the facts and the consequences of allowing women’s suffrage.
Suggesting that women retain the right to vote without the corresponding responsibilities that men face is misandry.
So there you have it. The Men’s Rights subreddit doesn’t have a misogyny problem; if anything, it’s a hotbed of misandry.
What was that about “ad hominem flak” again?
Standards, Tom! You have to think of a version of Sharculese’s name that sounds like a third-grade playground insult.
the fact that reality fails to conform to your lazy fantasies isn’t really ‘semantics’, duder. are you sure you know what words are?
on why you think that word has any meaning left after you’ve used it to describe everything from a sunny day to a case of the sniffles? …. not really…
So, no video of any kind yet?
The great thing about being a men’s rights activist is, all you need to do is tell the truth.
@bostonian
apparently hes not making the video because the raw footage to thoroughly proved his point, and that’s bad because…
which is of course why your activism has earned you nothing except debt, right?
Well, I guess you’re going the extra mile by lying your ass off all the time then, huh?
So, if you just tell the truth, we’ll all fizzle away…
Why haven’t you done so?
Heh, so much for obscurity!
And why does wordpress keep ignoring I want to be signed in as ithiliana not raspberry_beret stupid program.
Tom, Tom, Tom, I had all of one request for you to comply with in order to continue posting here more or less unfettered: don’t use the word “whore” all the time. Just the word “whore.” “Prostitute” was still fine.
But spelling “whore” differently to get around the filter isn’t the same as not using the word.
So you’re going into moderation until you truly kick the “whore” habit.
No worries, Ithiliana, your gravatar is still the same.
David, does this mean that the w-word is out of the moderation list? (Not that I’m just sitting around here begging to use it.)
BUT WILL TOM RENOUNCE PROSTITUTION IN ALL ITS FORMS?
Yeah, I’ll take “whore” out of the filter.
Thank you, Dark Lord.
Tommy, if telling the truth is all you need to be an MRA, I guess you aren’t one. You lie your ass off. Don’t get upset, it’s the bald truth.
David; Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tom, will you explain what “prostitution in all it’s forms” means? I’ve asked you about ten times, and you never answer. How can we renounce something if we don’t know what it is?
HAHAHAHAHA!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Best laugh ever, Tom.
Most feminist blogs ruthlessly exclude men’s rights activists’ comments, for one trumped up reason or another. I think Douchetrail knows that allowing MRAs to comment without him then crying rape is his blog’s main redeeming and distinguishing feature.
I just shot an experiment, finding most women say men should pay for 100% of the first date, and spend three month’s salary on an engagement ring, and Douchetrail here is getting worked up about me using a word of my choice to describe it?
“Don’t you EVER… “. Curious.
I was the one who tripped you. 😉
I’ve noticed a lot of women OTI use the term “whore” as a suffix or moniker and don’t seem to view it as a misogynist term. Examples: link whore, corporate whore, grammar whore,etc. I prefer the word “ho” instead. *LOLz*
If you think leaving a random blog comment = rape, I can see why you’re so confused about the rest of life. 😛
@Tom
Like derailment, harrassment, name calling or just wanting to have a REAL conversation about women’s issues instead of always having to justify their existence to MRAs.
When has David or anyone else hear cried rape? What does that even mean? Oh, and calling our host “Douchetrail” is perfectly typical of your total ingratitude towards a person who humors your fucked-upness and doesn’t ban you.
Oh the injustice! Men being expected (not forced, mind you) by some women to pay for dates and buy engagement rings is the height of male oppression. Someone ought to pass a law. If only society would change to suit you.
You are sounding more and more like a child with every post. Grow up.
“I just shot an experiment, finding most women say men should pay for 100% of the first date, and spend three month’s salary on an engagement ring”
This may surprise you Tom, but feminists split the costs of dates all the time, and a lot of us make fun of the idea of engagement rings. I for one have never wanted a ring. Just thought you might want to learn something about the real world. It seems a lot nicer than the one you live in.
The more interesting question here is WHO HAS THE ABILITY TO SPEND THREE MONTHS SALARY ON A RING? What do they eat for the next 3 months? I guess their girlfriend’s salary?
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.