So apparently I’m way off base with this “misogyny” thing. For example, I have been under the impression that I have been finding misogynistic stuff in the Men’s Rights subreddit, like, all the time. With upvotes, and everything. But evidently I’m wrong.
Because now ignatiusloyola, one of the subreddit mods, has done a very scientific study that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that, well, whatever misogyny is there is officially not a big damn deal.
Ig explains his protocol:
I did a quick scan of the first 400 comments on the list (100/page, 4 pages in). I scanned for words like “cunt” and “whore”, and read the context of these. I looked for the words “woman” and “women”, and read the context of these. I looked for “suffrage” and “vote” also.
I found two comments that used the word “cunt”, one of them was used to describe men, the other to describe a specific woman. The only instances of “whore” were “attention whore”.
There were two comments involving the word “woman” that generalized women with negative stereotypes.
“Suffrage” and “vote” instances did not involve any context that suggested that women did not deserve the right to vote.
How a person defines “hatred of women”, either loosely (suggestive from context, rather than explicit) or strictly (explicit statements), it is pretty clear that out of 400 comments, very few are misogynistic.
Does misogyny exist? Yes. But it does not seem to be a significant contribution to r/MensRights. At best, people are seeing a few comments and focusing on their existence while ignoring the rest.
It’s a lot like that time Michael Richards did that standup routine, and everyone focused on that one word he said, totally ignoring all the other words he used that were totally not racist slurs. I mean, yeah, he said that word a bunch of times, but it still made up a very small percentage of all the words he used that evening.
So that’s that, then. Misogyny, officially not a problem!
Or that would have been that, had Ig not actually posted about his experiment to the subreddit he had just proved was, like, totally non-misogynistic:
Because it turned out that a couple of the fellas had an issue with Ig’s methodology. In particular, that stuff about female suffrage. Because, apparently, you can totally be against women having the right to vote and still not be a misogynist. As zyk0s put it (garnering upvotes in the process):
[T]here’s the matter of female suffrage. I really don’t see how suggesting women should not have been granted the right to vote is misogyny. It might be motivated by it, but not necessarily so, and treating it as such is akin to criminalizing holocaust denial: it’s censorship, pure and simple, and if [1] /r/MR wants to keep calling itself an open space where ideas are not silenced, that attitude has to change.
Our friend Demonspawn went even further(and got a few upvotes himself):
Suggesting that the government works better without the women’s vote is not misogyny. It’s an analysis of the facts and the consequences of allowing women’s suffrage.
Suggesting that women retain the right to vote without the corresponding responsibilities that men face is misandry.
So there you have it. The Men’s Rights subreddit doesn’t have a misogyny problem; if anything, it’s a hotbed of misandry.
I too lived on a numbered street, and therefore can’t play the game. Come to think of it, where I come from, virtually all the streets are numbered, and none of my friends played the porn name game.
My Tom name would probably be Pussy; my NWO name is Kat because he doesn’t think X, Y, and Z are letters of the alphabet.
Nomless: I said Of course, there are people who seriously argue women should be stripped of their rights to vote.
To which you replied:
Well pecunium, I am Not one of them. Let’s just get that str8.
Falconer was extrapolating ignorance among students about the meaning suffrage to class warfare. That video was appalling to many feminists but not for the reasons you people think! They’re appalled about the mediocrity of american educational system(both public AND private); as they should be
Ignoring what I was talking about, and trying to change the subject back to the video.
You said that the right to vote stopped being denied to women 92 years ago, so feminists need to get over it. I said there are people today who argue it ought to be stripped from women again, so it’s not actually a dead issue.
It’s nice to know you aren’t one of them. It’s sad to see you can’t argue in good faith.
Varpole: I see you are praising Tom Martin now; is all forgiven about the child prostitution thing?
Because this: I do believe I can condemn the vile views that Tom espouses while also acknowledging good points he brings to the table. Flies in the face of your rants that he was so vile that the MRM couldn’t bear to keep him in it, and you were going to get the big boys to renounce and repudiate him.
But it’s all cool now, because he still hates adult women and feminists.
As to his comments about women in the military… he’s wrong, about the US Army, and the British. I’ve served in one, and with the other. The Women do the same training as the men (apart from being denied the specialties designated as combat jobs).
They get shot at. They hump their rucks. They kill people. What you think, “stands” to reason is wrong.
I’d be Prico Muller… for Tom-name… Pecuntium? It seems about his level of clever.
If I used the street I grew up on, it’d be Sandy Talon, but that sounds like a hygiene issue, doesn’t it? And I haven’t had any pets since that first sweet golden retriever Sandy.
My porn name would be Samwise Contessa–which could have been a Lord of the Rings character if Tolkien had been a bit more progressive.
My Tom name? Well, trolls have historically sniggered about my screen name being that of a flasher, but personally I prefer Captain Bath-ho. Because if you’re going to be a “ho,” you might as well be clean.
Moderation?!? Really?
I’m still way behind after moving, but it is/was whataboutthemoonz’s birthday? Happy Birthday!
Argenti! It’s nice to see you again! You doin’ okay?
@Cassandra
I cheated to avoid Lassie Long Setswana Name 😛
Oh merciful allah *yes*.
I thought they didn’t. Oh well. I’ll excise that bit of “knowledge.”
Anybody got a chisel?
Oh, my. Nommie, my good man, you poor dear…
Firstly, you just admitted outright that the only reason you hang out here is to get attention. You do know that makes you sound like some affection-starved urchin, cut off from any healthy relationships, begging piteously for our scathing rebukes because it’s the closest you’ve come to being touched by a human being in SO LONG…? You know that, right? Because that is sad on so many levels. It makes your whole ‘misanthrope’ thing sound so very sad. If you need an internet hug, then no matter what a horrible human being you are and how many awful things you believe and how hard you work to stomp on the down-trodden, I’ll totally give you that internet hug.
(sniff)
Secondly, dude, you can’t just drop one cute video and expect us to forget what you are and what you do. I saw it and gave it the old side-eyed scowl, thinking to myself ‘what horrible things is he leading up to now, what dogwhistle is he blowing, getting ready to spew hate all over us?’
Because we’ve seen hate come out of you before, and now we stand on our guard, waiting for your ‘hip, ironic’ pose to slip a little bit and let out what we’ve seen underneath it so often before.
There–was that the attention you’ve been craving? The interaction?
Was it good for you?
This comment aside, if I ever use the word “troll” in a sentence, you have permission to shoot me.
And put you out of your misery for having used a word? Yeah, right.
Ha right because ‘troll’ is the most annoying word you’ve ever said in a repeated and obsessive way.
Oh, were you trying to attach a stigma to the word “troll,” then?
‘Cause heaven forbid we should call you a troll when you come over here and attempt to derail, castigate and browbeat the commentariat with your “Code Blue” and your “invent something or you’re a worthless parasite.” That’s just being mean and trying to silence and marginalize men.
But when you say 98% of women are Ws, you’re just speaking truth to power, aren’t you?
Go and polish your dome.
do yall ever wonder if mikey talks like this in real life. i mean, i’m sure he doesnt, but it’s fun to imagine
I think I may win the worst porn name contest, since according to the rules, I would be Fatty Fish Rural Route 1.
Polliwog, that sounds like… like a very specific genre. VERY specific.
But, hey, Rule 34…
Tom — excluding that sentence, right?
Right?
I’ve still not found any pterodactyl porn… just sayin’.
Dracula — I’m alright, living with my family again so meh, but it comes with a bed and free utilities and shit, so I guess I shouldn’t complain too much (also comes with my father, who makes MRAs look moderate, so I’m still going to complain 🙂 )
I missed y’all while I was moving, glad to be settled in enough to have time for the internet!
I’ve still not found any pterodactyl porn… just sayin’.
You.. you aren’t looking hard enough. Seriously though, don’t put “pterodactyl porn” in Google image search. I realise the power of telling someone not to do something, but save yourself!
(Oh no my tiny mind.. it is shattered.. o.o)
Oh, he did say so.
Thus, I acknowledge my fail
with this haiku, yo.