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Science proves the Men’s Rights subreddit to be totally not (completely) misogynistic

So apparently I’m way off base with this “misogyny” thing. For example, I have been under the impression that I have been finding misogynistic stuff in the Men’s Rights subreddit, like, all the time. With upvotes, and everything. But evidently I’m wrong.

Because now ignatiusloyola, one of the subreddit mods, has done a very scientific study that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that, well, whatever misogyny is there is officially not a big damn deal.

Ig explains his protocol:

I did a quick scan of the first 400 comments on the list (100/page, 4 pages in). I scanned for words like “cunt” and “whore”, and read the context of these. I looked for the words “woman” and “women”, and read the context of these. I looked for “suffrage” and “vote” also.

I found two comments that used the word “cunt”, one of them was used to describe men, the other to describe a specific woman. The only instances of “whore” were “attention whore”.

There were two comments involving the word “woman” that generalized women with negative stereotypes.

“Suffrage” and “vote” instances did not involve any context that suggested that women did not deserve the right to vote.

How a person defines “hatred of women”, either loosely (suggestive from context, rather than explicit) or strictly (explicit statements), it is pretty clear that out of 400 comments, very few are misogynistic.

Does misogyny exist? Yes. But it does not seem to be a significant contribution to r/MensRights. At best, people are seeing a few comments and focusing on their existence while ignoring the rest.

It’s a lot like that time Michael Richards did that standup routine, and everyone focused on that one word he said, totally ignoring all the other words he used that were totally not racist slurs. I mean, yeah, he said that word a bunch of times, but it still made up a very small percentage of all the words he used that evening.

So that’s that, then. Misogyny, officially not a problem!

Or that would have been that, had Ig not actually posted about his experiment to the subreddit he had just proved was, like, totally non-misogynistic:

Because it turned out that a couple of the fellas had an issue with Ig’s methodology. In particular, that stuff about female suffrage. Because, apparently, you can totally be against women having the right to vote and still not be a misogynist. As zyk0s put it (garnering upvotes in the process):

[T]here’s the matter of female suffrage. I really don’t see how suggesting women should not have been granted the right to vote is misogyny. It might be motivated by it, but not necessarily so, and treating it as such is akin to criminalizing holocaust denial: it’s censorship, pure and simple, and if [1] /r/MR wants to keep calling itself an open space where ideas are not silenced, that attitude has to change.

Our friend Demonspawn went even further(and got a few upvotes himself):

Suggesting that the government works better without the women’s vote is not misogyny. It’s an analysis of the facts and the consequences of allowing women’s suffrage.

Suggesting that women retain the right to vote without the corresponding responsibilities that men face is misandry.

So there you have it. The Men’s Rights subreddit doesn’t have a misogyny problem; if anything, it’s a hotbed of misandry.

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fembot
12 years ago

I would like MRAs to spend a week teaching a classroom packed with 32 rowdy seventh graders and then tell me it’s not work, and I don’t need time to recover. If you even lived that long, or didn’t get fired or arrested for child abuse first.

heidihi
heidihi
12 years ago

Tom Martin: “Wait a minute, it looks like I’ve got a few supporters here. Can I just say then, SOMETHING COMPLETELY BEYOND THE PALE ASSHOLISH?”

Steele, still in love? Because it really looks like Tom is one of those game-playing flirts who draw you in with honeyed words and then pick fights, testing your love by seeing if you’ll humiliate yourself for him.

Rutee Katreya
12 years ago

Thanks, Steelepole, I think I’ll win my bet with Flib on how long it took for you to become friends with Tom “Child prostitutes need to be punished for their whoreness” Martin. Your illusions of caring about ethics were transparent for the rest of us.

Tom Martin
12 years ago

Heidiho, more like.

Bostonian
Bostonian
12 years ago

Of course Steele will still love Tom! MRAs always seek to dig lower than they are, all protests aside.

fembot
12 years ago

@Tom

That’s a low blow. You can do better than that. 🙂

Bostonian
Bostonian
12 years ago

He can’t do better than that though, fembot. Tom is just not very original or smart.

whataboutthemoonz
12 years ago

Thank you all for the birthday octopi! (The hand-drawn one is now my desktop <3)

I went to a proper bar for the first time, had a bunch of drinks I didn't pay for, and refused to have sex with strange men. Overall, it was a very happy Misandry birthday 😀

heidihi
heidihi
12 years ago

Yes heidiho, indeed. No one has ever made such a witty, cutting remark before, I’m sure. 😀 O, i am slain!

tom, do you think calling me a ‘ho’ (short for ‘wh*re’) is supposed to be some kind of insult? apart from your making the word so meaningless that you might as well be calling me a fnarfgarble, and my not caring a bit about your idiotic opinions and proclamations about me or others, why would a feminist find your attempted insult ‘wh*re’ anything other than sad and hilarious? you’re attempting to equate a type of job with something automatically bad or undesirable, and it kind of just makes me laugh at you while shaking my head at your incredible ignorance.

heidihi
heidihi
12 years ago

“Tom Martin? More like Tom Shartin’!”
“Tom Martin? More like Monsieur Sans Tom Martin!”
“Tom Martin? More like Tom ‘Child Rape Apologist Bony Arse Baldy’ Martin!”

I think mine are on the same level of maturity as yours. Probably you’re about as insulted by these as i am by “heidiho” although that’s only because you inexplicably find your actual real life Child Rape Apologia less disgusting than i find the idea of selling sex in a hypothetical non-coercive culture.

Tom Martin
12 years ago

Smiley faces? Now that’s cutting edge wit.

Tom Martin
12 years ago

It looks like someone’s going to have to coerce heidiho to make an actual joke.

Dracula
Dracula
12 years ago

This from someone who thinks “Yer a wh*re!” is the height of comedy.

Snowy
Snowy
12 years ago

Tom Shartin’ heheehee

Tom Martin
12 years ago

Snowy laughing at her own joke there.

fembot
12 years ago

Tom, care to explain what “prostitution in all its forms” means? I’m not going to renounce something if I don’t know what it is.

fembot
12 years ago

I think my cats must be wh*res, because they are fed and sheltered in exchange for cuddles.

Snowy
Snowy
12 years ago

Oh yeah because Heidihi and me are the same person because of the feminist borg and stuff. Btw how’s that documentary coming along, Tom Shartin?

heidihi
heidihi
12 years ago

Snowy, it’s heidiho now, and obvsies, your Tom Name is “Ho-ey.”

How to Figure Out Your Tom Name:
Take your handle.
Regress to 8th grade
Pretend you’re trying to flirt with someone who goes by the name of your handle, and also that you’re a huge misogynist. What do you call that person?
That’s your Tom Name!

kobold77
kobold77
12 years ago

“Interesting take, Tom!”

Steele, weren’t you so disgusted a couple threads back by Tom for for his (frankly, very MRA) take on the sex slavery of minors? So much so you summarily used your vested writer-blogger-activist-cubicle-rat authority to call him “not a true MRA”?

What changed? Are you so desperate for internet friends that you’re all over Tom’s balding nuts in a bid for someone who shares your societal delusion?

Tom Martin
12 years ago

Snowy, if you want to assist with the documentary, then reply to the ad:

http://www.gumtree.com/p/jobs/feminist-comedian-presenter-and-crew-wanted-for-good-cause-documentary/108825740

KathleenB
KathleenB
12 years ago

Tommy: Asking how something is going and offering to help are two very, very different things. Though given your lack of respect for things like consent and personal boundaries, I’m not surprised you’re having problems sussing out the difference.

Tom Martin
12 years ago

KathleenB Minus.

heidihi
heidihi
12 years ago

Tom, you’re slipping. 7th grade now.

cloudiah
12 years ago

Tom’s drunk again I see.

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