So apparently I’m way off base with this “misogyny” thing. For example, I have been under the impression that I have been finding misogynistic stuff in the Men’s Rights subreddit, like, all the time. With upvotes, and everything. But evidently I’m wrong.
Because now ignatiusloyola, one of the subreddit mods, has done a very scientific study that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that, well, whatever misogyny is there is officially not a big damn deal.
Ig explains his protocol:
I did a quick scan of the first 400 comments on the list (100/page, 4 pages in). I scanned for words like “cunt” and “whore”, and read the context of these. I looked for the words “woman” and “women”, and read the context of these. I looked for “suffrage” and “vote” also.
I found two comments that used the word “cunt”, one of them was used to describe men, the other to describe a specific woman. The only instances of “whore” were “attention whore”.
There were two comments involving the word “woman” that generalized women with negative stereotypes.
“Suffrage” and “vote” instances did not involve any context that suggested that women did not deserve the right to vote.
How a person defines “hatred of women”, either loosely (suggestive from context, rather than explicit) or strictly (explicit statements), it is pretty clear that out of 400 comments, very few are misogynistic.
Does misogyny exist? Yes. But it does not seem to be a significant contribution to r/MensRights. At best, people are seeing a few comments and focusing on their existence while ignoring the rest.
It’s a lot like that time Michael Richards did that standup routine, and everyone focused on that one word he said, totally ignoring all the other words he used that were totally not racist slurs. I mean, yeah, he said that word a bunch of times, but it still made up a very small percentage of all the words he used that evening.
So that’s that, then. Misogyny, officially not a problem!
Or that would have been that, had Ig not actually posted about his experiment to the subreddit he had just proved was, like, totally non-misogynistic:
Because it turned out that a couple of the fellas had an issue with Ig’s methodology. In particular, that stuff about female suffrage. Because, apparently, you can totally be against women having the right to vote and still not be a misogynist. As zyk0s put it (garnering upvotes in the process):
[T]here’s the matter of female suffrage. I really don’t see how suggesting women should not have been granted the right to vote is misogyny. It might be motivated by it, but not necessarily so, and treating it as such is akin to criminalizing holocaust denial: it’s censorship, pure and simple, and if [1] /r/MR wants to keep calling itself an open space where ideas are not silenced, that attitude has to change.
Our friend Demonspawn went even further(and got a few upvotes himself):
Suggesting that the government works better without the women’s vote is not misogyny. It’s an analysis of the facts and the consequences of allowing women’s suffrage.
Suggesting that women retain the right to vote without the corresponding responsibilities that men face is misandry.
So there you have it. The Men’s Rights subreddit doesn’t have a misogyny problem; if anything, it’s a hotbed of misandry.
Nancy Drew wasn’t written by a woman. They were written by a man; under a female pseudonym. His daughter took over, when he died, and they became much less feminist. I remember reading editions from the 30s, and Nancy was very much an independent young woman.
Come the fifties the various anti-female backlash got them very strongly edited. No more using her bra as a lock-pick (by removing the wire).
Oh Nomless: My Grandmother was born before suffrage. She was just young enough that she didn’t have to wait to get to vote.
And your side whines about the draft, and no one of draftable age in the US has been subject to it, since the actual draft was eliminated 40 years ago.
So it’s no big deal either.
Of course, there are people who seriously argue women should be stripped of their rights to vote.
No one actually trying to get the draft re-instated as a blanket policy; though as a political issue it comes up when wars are being talked about, esp. wars that last more than ten years.
SCUM is parody, if you need to rely on it, you don’t have a lot of good options.
Those are the feminist theories, you twit. Just because you are a clueless fool who doesn’t know what science is doesn’t mean feminists are XD
Nomless: You are confusing sexism with misogyny. Oppression of one sex by another is sexism. It isn’t necessarily based on hostility, but on chauvinism.
So misandry is no more relevant to sexism against men than misogyny is to sexism against women… right?
and I’m off to a social event, have fun, I’ll catch up later.
Holy shit which book did this happen in? o.o
I was considering that Sit Number Chairs and/or Stools might be a worthy invention to make the world a better place. One could adjust the level of cushioning on the seat (each level of cushioning represented by a number from 1-10) to suit their individual comfort level. These would probably be most ideal in public spaces, where many different ass types could then be comfortably seated.
@MSN
1. Most of the studies done within sociology that are approved by the IRB stand up to scientific methodology, get peer reviewed, and are statistically valid. The fact that you just don’t like what it says does not make unscientific. Although considering your previous statements, I doubt you hold any authority on the matter of what is actually considered scientific. So you are about just as bad as Ruby is on that matter.
2. Because language is not god damn static to a few dictionaries. So, troll point for you there.
Even if fembot does earn as much as her hubby, she should be doing more of the military service, because statistically, she can earn the same money without being put in harm’s way, compared to him.
Interesting take, Tom! And something I’ve never considered. It’s common knowledge that, statistically, men engage in the majority of menial and dangerous labor; the “glass cellar”, as it were, is occupied almost entirely by men. Therefore, it stands to reason that if a man and a woman make the same salary, the data indicates that he is likely working harder for that same amount of money. I don’t think it’s unreasonable, in this case, for women to also take upon their shoulders the bulk of housework, as well – while the man takes that time to recover. Of course, this is collectively speaking, mind you.
So Steele, Tommy’s not a evil (vile) mangina double agent anymore? He’s one of yer buddies now?
Oh, yeah. I should have addressed one of the dumber abuse of statistics there. Pro-tip. Assuming averages (even when done with incorrect uncited statistics) to apply to individuals you know nothing about means you just lack data, especially if they are likely statistical outliers. The likelihood of extrapolating anything out of an outlier by going back to your average is that you are going to end up with hogwash.
By the way Varpole the “not a poe”. You are not getting any better at lying. IT now? And you still don’t know how IP addresses work and how to manage basic word press?
So Steele, Tommy’s not a evil (vile) mangina double agent anymore? He’s one of yer buddies now?
I do believe I can condemn the vile views that Tom espouses while also acknowledging good points he brings to the table.
“It’s common knowledge” & “It stands to reason” = “I am talking out of my ass.”
In other words, Steelevarpole has come round for Tom on the common ground of hating women.
I see. You’ll buddy up to someone you think is basically a monster the second they come out with some bullshit you agree with. So your righteous fury means nothing.
WTF is the “glass cellar” even trying to mean? The term glass ceiling means that women can see the top, but never can get there, because there’s this big ol’ piece of glass in the way. Are men searching to work more menial jobs but are unable to make less money doing shittier things because their penises get in the way?
Wow, so fembot should be forced into the military because her husband chose a career in the military? Huh, and here I thought there were some principles of the draft you were opposed to. Hey, why not force her husband to follow her career choices?
“glass cellar” is another bullshit term like misandry, so the little MRAs can wank some more about their fauxpression.
I’m curious to see these stats. Do they include janitorial work? There are large numbers of women who work as maids and on custodial staff (I’m thinking of the Houston workers who wet on strike and won a pay increase just recently *fistbump*).
Does “menial and dangerous” include healthcare? Cause lemme tell ya, the nurses and aides I know have some fucking scary stories about the violence they’re subjected to and the kind of shit they (literally) deal with, and healthcare workers are majority female. If you’re excluding healthcare work from “menial and dangerous” it can’t be a valid set of stats.
Also I’m not sure “menial and dangerous” can be used together like that. There are dangerous jobs out there that are mostly done by men, but because they are dangerous, they’re well-paid, so they don’t count as menial. Then there are a lot of menial jobs that are not at all dangerous (data entry comes to mind *shudder*). So what are the parameters for defining something as belonging to this category, or are there two separate categories being conflated (in which case, BAD STATS BAD STATS RUN AWAY).
wet = went
*sigh*
Shocking absolutely no one, Steele “it’s misandry to allow a man who earns more money than his partner pay for dinner” Varpole is totally fine with with women doing the housework while holding down a regular job.
Shocking even fewer people, somehow, Steele’s desperate desire to make friends with all the other MRAindeers outweighs his desperate desire to fabricate evidence of a vast feminist conspiracy to satisfy his victim complex.
Well yeah, but “glass cellar” just makes so very little sense that I can’t even begin to fathom what it could be trying to reflect. I get what he’s going for, but it comes off as a sort of ‘well women are always talking about the glass ceiling and what’s the opposite of that, I know, cellar!’ without looking at the term he’s coined and recognizing that it really really doesn’t mean anything. You’re…what’s going on? Locked in a cellar made of glass? Or something? Maybe our budding writer Steele can think about this a little harder and come up with a real actual meaningful term for what he’s trying to convey…
Just kidding, that would be misandry! 😉
Wait a minute, it looks like I’ve got a few supporters here. Can I just say then, that if that eighteen day old baby understood the meaning of consent enough to negotiate a price up front, then no, it would not be rape in my book, but child prostitution obviously.
Well I better hurry up and have some daughters so they can help with the chores! LOL. No, seriously, this is bullshit. I firmly believe that when both spouses work, they should hire a maid. And I’m sticking to it.
Well pecunium, I am Not one of them. Let’s just get that str8.
Falconer was extrapolating ignorance among students about the meaning suffrage to class warfare. That video was appalling to many feminists but not for the reasons you people think! They’re appalled about the mediocrity of american educational system(both public AND private); as they should be.