Categories
antifeminism I'm totally being sarcastic it's science! misandry misogyny MRA reddit the c-word whores woman's suffrage

Science proves the Men’s Rights subreddit to be totally not (completely) misogynistic

So apparently I’m way off base with this “misogyny” thing. For example, I have been under the impression that I have been finding misogynistic stuff in the Men’s Rights subreddit, like, all the time. With upvotes, and everything. But evidently I’m wrong.

Because now ignatiusloyola, one of the subreddit mods, has done a very scientific study that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that, well, whatever misogyny is there is officially not a big damn deal.

Ig explains his protocol:

I did a quick scan of the first 400 comments on the list (100/page, 4 pages in). I scanned for words like “cunt” and “whore”, and read the context of these. I looked for the words “woman” and “women”, and read the context of these. I looked for “suffrage” and “vote” also.

I found two comments that used the word “cunt”, one of them was used to describe men, the other to describe a specific woman. The only instances of “whore” were “attention whore”.

There were two comments involving the word “woman” that generalized women with negative stereotypes.

“Suffrage” and “vote” instances did not involve any context that suggested that women did not deserve the right to vote.

How a person defines “hatred of women”, either loosely (suggestive from context, rather than explicit) or strictly (explicit statements), it is pretty clear that out of 400 comments, very few are misogynistic.

Does misogyny exist? Yes. But it does not seem to be a significant contribution to r/MensRights. At best, people are seeing a few comments and focusing on their existence while ignoring the rest.

It’s a lot like that time Michael Richards did that standup routine, and everyone focused on that one word he said, totally ignoring all the other words he used that were totally not racist slurs. I mean, yeah, he said that word a bunch of times, but it still made up a very small percentage of all the words he used that evening.

So that’s that, then. Misogyny, officially not a problem!

Or that would have been that, had Ig not actually posted about his experiment to the subreddit he had just proved was, like, totally non-misogynistic:

Because it turned out that a couple of the fellas had an issue with Ig’s methodology. In particular, that stuff about female suffrage. Because, apparently, you can totally be against women having the right to vote and still not be a misogynist. As zyk0s put it (garnering upvotes in the process):

[T]here’s the matter of female suffrage. I really don’t see how suggesting women should not have been granted the right to vote is misogyny. It might be motivated by it, but not necessarily so, and treating it as such is akin to criminalizing holocaust denial: it’s censorship, pure and simple, and if [1] /r/MR wants to keep calling itself an open space where ideas are not silenced, that attitude has to change.

Our friend Demonspawn went even further(and got a few upvotes himself):

Suggesting that the government works better without the women’s vote is not misogyny. It’s an analysis of the facts and the consequences of allowing women’s suffrage.

Suggesting that women retain the right to vote without the corresponding responsibilities that men face is misandry.

So there you have it. The Men’s Rights subreddit doesn’t have a misogyny problem; if anything, it’s a hotbed of misandry.

934 Comments
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
fembot
12 years ago

Steve Hoca. What a hunk! ;D

Vitamin D
Vitamin D
12 years ago

That dude looks like the Scarecrow from the batman movies!

Tom Martin
12 years ago

Fembot – a military wife! Feminism my arse.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

DSM = the manual that mental health professionals use to diagnose patients.

fembot
12 years ago

Before feminism, women lived behind toilets, and wiped men’s asses for them. Hey, Tom, this could suitable work for all of the elderly women who have outlived their usefulness and should be sacrificed.

fembot
12 years ago

@Tom

That’s military wh@#@ to you!

Dracula
Dracula
12 years ago

Fembot – a military wife! Feminism my arse.

Second statement does not follow first.

fembot
12 years ago

@Dracula

Yeah I don’t get it either.

@Cassandra,

Thanks for explaining.

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
12 years ago

Now I don’t mind washing diapers and training pants for babies and toddlers, or underwear for sick or elderly people. However, I will not wash poopy underwear for a healthy, abled adult man that is too lazy to wipe his own butt. For the love of Pete, he can wash his skidmarks himself.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

And we’re back to that rants from last week or whenever about why can’t women treat me the way they did when I was a child? They didn’t mind my skidmarks when I was 4!

Tom Martin
12 years ago

To be fair to fembot, it is possible to be a military wife and not a whoore. Unlikely, put possible.

Do you have a job, fembot? Apart from worrying?

Vitamin D
Vitamin D
12 years ago

No, Tom does not know he was tuned in every argument. Tom continues to post obscenely offensive things, completely and blissfully unaware he doesn’t just seem like an ignorant sexist, he has unequivocally proven himself an ignorant sexist. Nice work, Tom.

cloudiah
12 years ago

Wow, he’s still here? I went out and had a lovely early dinner (heirloom tomatoes! striped bass! wine!) with friends, and come back to find the comments now run to 8 pages and Tom is on all of them.

My best guess at a summary without reading everything: Tom insults everybody, plugs his web page/nonexistent video, and continually declares victory but never actually leaves. How’s that?

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
12 years ago

I had never seen that skimarks video before. He wants a woman that can be a mommy for him and happily clean up every mess he makes, no matter what. I’m not surprised he thinks women are picky. It’s no wonder women reject him, if he thinks he’s too good to wipe his own butt. Oh but women should be thrilled to have the chance to scrub his poop stains for him. The older my kids get, the more jobs and responsibilities I give them. They can do things like make their beds, wipe up spilled drinks, put dirty clothes in the hamper, take dishes to the sink, etc. So if a kindergartner can do this stuff, an abled adult man should, too.

Oh, and the MRA’s must have a very low opinion of men if they think all abled, adult men are incapable of wiping their own asses.

katz
12 years ago

Tom, for the millionth time, we’re not including misandry in the discourse, because it’s made up. May as well ask us to incorporate the Easter Bunny.

Mislepidy!

Vitamin D
Vitamin D
12 years ago

@ Cloudiah- Suspiciously accurate- oh crap, and here I thought I might be participating in Tom’s enlightenment. He’ll never get better, will he?

ozymandias42
12 years ago

Vitamin D: Except not as pretty. 🙁

Tom: Hey, Tom, am I a wh*re? I certainly wouldn’t want to harm men with my wh*redom.

Vitamin D
Vitamin D
12 years ago

@ ozy- Yeah, I meant the crazy, fear wracked look in the eye. Also, kind of Irish. That dude who played the scarecrow is a really talented actor, isn’t he? Loved him in 26 days and that plane movie.

cloudiah
12 years ago

Well, I have seen him before and he has certain … patterns.

fembot
12 years ago

@Tom

I’m not working now. I was a teacher, and I will go back to being one next year. I took a two year leave of abscence to follow him when he got stationed in another state. This was non-negotiable for him, btw. I would have been willing to live apart and visit when we could in order to keep the money rolling in, but he wanted me here. I could not find a job at first. Then I started volunteering for the Army, and I’m busy with that.

So I guess I’m a part time temporary whore?

When I go back to work, I will be making the money, and providing the health benefits for our family. The husband wants to go back to school.

fembot
12 years ago

@Tom

I’m not working now. I was a teacher, and I will go back to being one next year. I took a two year leave of abscence to follow him when he got stationed in another state. This was non-negotiable for him, btw. I would have been willing to live apart and visit when we could in order to keep the money rolling in, but he wanted me here. I could not find a job at first. Then I started volunteering for the Army, and I’m busy with that. When I go back to work, I will be making the money, and providing the health benefits for our family. The husband wants to go back to school.

So I guess I’m a part time temporary wh***?

I forgot to bleep out the W word, so there’s an identical comment in moderation.

Tom Martin
12 years ago

Ozymandias42,

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say yes, you are a wh*re.

ozymandias42
12 years ago

Oh, dear, I forgot to give life details.

I’m a full-time college student. I live off my parents’ (substantial) savings, which are a result of my mother’s and father’s middle-class incomes and my father’s ridiculous budgetary and investment skills. I have worked for pay more-or-less continually since I was twelve (I took my senior year of high school off), although never full-time, or even a substantial number of part-time hours.

I know I’m super-class-privileged (super super super super class-privileged), but am I a wh*re?

M Dubz
12 years ago

See, I shouldn’t be surprised that Tom would callously insult military spouses who can deal with years of being apart from their partners with only occasional visits, and who may or may not become permanent caretakers to veterans with mental and physical combat scars. If this dude can go after trafficked children…

But I got angry. Congratulations asshole, you win.

ozymandias42
12 years ago

I’m a wh*re? Great! I’m glad to take my place among my sex worker brethren and sistren.

1 19 20 21 22 23 38