So apparently I’m way off base with this “misogyny” thing. For example, I have been under the impression that I have been finding misogynistic stuff in the Men’s Rights subreddit, like, all the time. With upvotes, and everything. But evidently I’m wrong.
Because now ignatiusloyola, one of the subreddit mods, has done a very scientific study that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that, well, whatever misogyny is there is officially not a big damn deal.
Ig explains his protocol:
I did a quick scan of the first 400 comments on the list (100/page, 4 pages in). I scanned for words like “cunt” and “whore”, and read the context of these. I looked for the words “woman” and “women”, and read the context of these. I looked for “suffrage” and “vote” also.
I found two comments that used the word “cunt”, one of them was used to describe men, the other to describe a specific woman. The only instances of “whore” were “attention whore”.
There were two comments involving the word “woman” that generalized women with negative stereotypes.
“Suffrage” and “vote” instances did not involve any context that suggested that women did not deserve the right to vote.
How a person defines “hatred of women”, either loosely (suggestive from context, rather than explicit) or strictly (explicit statements), it is pretty clear that out of 400 comments, very few are misogynistic.
Does misogyny exist? Yes. But it does not seem to be a significant contribution to r/MensRights. At best, people are seeing a few comments and focusing on their existence while ignoring the rest.
It’s a lot like that time Michael Richards did that standup routine, and everyone focused on that one word he said, totally ignoring all the other words he used that were totally not racist slurs. I mean, yeah, he said that word a bunch of times, but it still made up a very small percentage of all the words he used that evening.
So that’s that, then. Misogyny, officially not a problem!
Or that would have been that, had Ig not actually posted about his experiment to the subreddit he had just proved was, like, totally non-misogynistic:
Because it turned out that a couple of the fellas had an issue with Ig’s methodology. In particular, that stuff about female suffrage. Because, apparently, you can totally be against women having the right to vote and still not be a misogynist. As zyk0s put it (garnering upvotes in the process):
[T]here’s the matter of female suffrage. I really don’t see how suggesting women should not have been granted the right to vote is misogyny. It might be motivated by it, but not necessarily so, and treating it as such is akin to criminalizing holocaust denial: it’s censorship, pure and simple, and if [1] /r/MR wants to keep calling itself an open space where ideas are not silenced, that attitude has to change.
Our friend Demonspawn went even further(and got a few upvotes himself):
Suggesting that the government works better without the women’s vote is not misogyny. It’s an analysis of the facts and the consequences of allowing women’s suffrage.
Suggesting that women retain the right to vote without the corresponding responsibilities that men face is misandry.
So there you have it. The Men’s Rights subreddit doesn’t have a misogyny problem; if anything, it’s a hotbed of misandry.
So you’re a misogynist, right? I mean, maybe you can claim “I’m a misogynist for a good reason,” but you can’t claim “I’m not a misogynist.” Right?
Actually, m’y life mostly revolves around the tropes of “school = interesting, work = hard, friends = wonderful, Internet = amusing.”
But apparently you’re life revolves around woman=bad, because you just spelled that out in as many words, so who are yo’u to criticize?
Also, why do you keep going after me, seriously, NWO? Is it because you read the sexy parts of my blog and got all hot and bothered? So there’s this weird sexual component to your obsession? That’s the only thing I can figure.
What do you offer other than meaningless words claiming how oppressed you are?
I think I gotta start ignoring you, now. You’re not saying anything new, and you haven’t in a while.
Falconer – Yeah, I miss when he tried harder to explain science and history and whatnot to us. That was amusing. Him just repeating “You’re hateful because of how hateful you are” gets old.
@Cliff — I hope you don’t mind if I jumped in on a comment he aimed at you.
I just wish we could get him off your back, specifically 🙁 . That’s really disturbing, how obsessed he is with you.
Falconer – I don’t mind.
And I don’t really mind his obsession because, eh, I can take it. I just think it’s funny and weird how he goes after me specifically, when I’m nowhere near the hardest-core feminist who posts here. I do think it’s a sex thing. But that just makes me sort of laugh at how pathetic it is that he’s like 50 years old and this is his way of expressing a crush.
“Actually, m’y life …”
Sorry, I have to interject here.
Cliff, that was the most hilarious thing I’ve read all week, and I have read some pretty hilarious things this week. I would like to formally congratulate you on this.
Oh god, I didn’t think of it as a crush. Ew.
And if he dogged my steps here like he dogs yours, I don’t think I could take it for very long. Especially since nothing seems to get through his shields.
I guess I’m still naive enough to think I can argue someone out of a position they didn’t reach through reasoning.
I hope you’re otherwise having a great day, though.
Falconer – I am having a great day, actually! I’m packing up to go camping this weekend. Rowdy and I are going up in the mountains and we’re going to do a ropes course and a cave tour and it should be 100% awesome.
(We’ll spend the whole time having unnatural sex and talking about how much men suck, of course.)
Wow, sounds like loads of fun! I’m staying in town this weekend. Wish I could do something similar. I’ve got a bum knee and a lot of hiking would be bad 🙁
Ssshhh! You’ll give the game away!
Also — sex and ropes? Sounds fun.
Haha, I needed fifty feet of rope for a bear-bag hanger, and whaddya know, I had some handy. ;p
Condolences to your poor knee. 🙁
Eh, it’s a chronic condition. I’m just hoping I can get some decent health care in this country before I need a new knee.
I have well over 50 feet of rope but they’re all cut in 24 feet and 30 feet (8m/10m) lengths, unfortunately. 😉
NWO, you’re so full of shit it’s not even fun any more. You’re never going to be 2012 TotY at this rate.
Seriously NWO, I say this for your own sake as much as anyone else’s: Shut the fuck up and go learn to comprehend things. You understand NOTHING. Get help.
@Ithiliana
“So, yeah, SOCIAL science. Not done by skimming a few posts and word counting based on YOUR (IG) idea of what “misogyny” is.”
Let’s see. A study done by the marxist left, whose starting point is racism, (white privilege). A judgement based on the color of one’s skin. Remember Martin Luther King? He and I believe on a person being judged on the content of their character, not the color of their skin. Feminism believes judgement must be made on the color of one’s skin. Than of course we have history being rewritten as womens oppression as a fact. All feminsits and women to a large extent believe the propaganda that woman have been, and still are oppressed.
I’m soooo certain it’ll be a most objective study. Can’t you just regurgitate the standard regurgitations and obtain the same results? I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say your little study will prove. Man = bad. Woman = good.
Mr Slave “Did ya ever think that maybe, just maybe, a majority modern women lack any redeeming qualities. ” Guess that women not aware of your seal of approval. How sad (for you).
Oh, that’s rich, coming from someone who might as well be a bot randomly generating misogynistic talking points. Maybe even is one.
@Falconer
In case it was unclear, I was just playing and took no offence to your analogy.
Maybe Owly is a rogue AI.
Quick! http://img.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/216534/o731053-700×449.png
@Shadow — Oh good. I was worried I’d made you reach for the brain bleach.
Watching Owly trolling now is like watching Favre’s comeback last year. Dude, it’s time to retire.
Shade: That’s a 404 for me.
@Falconer
We’re in a thread where an OP straightfacedly types that not considering taking the vote from women is misandry. I don’t think any of the commentariat have it in us to awful up this turdbowl 😛