So apparently I’m way off base with this “misogyny” thing. For example, I have been under the impression that I have been finding misogynistic stuff in the Men’s Rights subreddit, like, all the time. With upvotes, and everything. But evidently I’m wrong.
Because now ignatiusloyola, one of the subreddit mods, has done a very scientific study that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that, well, whatever misogyny is there is officially not a big damn deal.
Ig explains his protocol:
I did a quick scan of the first 400 comments on the list (100/page, 4 pages in). I scanned for words like “cunt” and “whore”, and read the context of these. I looked for the words “woman” and “women”, and read the context of these. I looked for “suffrage” and “vote” also.
I found two comments that used the word “cunt”, one of them was used to describe men, the other to describe a specific woman. The only instances of “whore” were “attention whore”.
There were two comments involving the word “woman” that generalized women with negative stereotypes.
“Suffrage” and “vote” instances did not involve any context that suggested that women did not deserve the right to vote.
How a person defines “hatred of women”, either loosely (suggestive from context, rather than explicit) or strictly (explicit statements), it is pretty clear that out of 400 comments, very few are misogynistic.
Does misogyny exist? Yes. But it does not seem to be a significant contribution to r/MensRights. At best, people are seeing a few comments and focusing on their existence while ignoring the rest.
It’s a lot like that time Michael Richards did that standup routine, and everyone focused on that one word he said, totally ignoring all the other words he used that were totally not racist slurs. I mean, yeah, he said that word a bunch of times, but it still made up a very small percentage of all the words he used that evening.
So that’s that, then. Misogyny, officially not a problem!
Or that would have been that, had Ig not actually posted about his experiment to the subreddit he had just proved was, like, totally non-misogynistic:
Because it turned out that a couple of the fellas had an issue with Ig’s methodology. In particular, that stuff about female suffrage. Because, apparently, you can totally be against women having the right to vote and still not be a misogynist. As zyk0s put it (garnering upvotes in the process):
[T]here’s the matter of female suffrage. I really don’t see how suggesting women should not have been granted the right to vote is misogyny. It might be motivated by it, but not necessarily so, and treating it as such is akin to criminalizing holocaust denial: it’s censorship, pure and simple, and if [1] /r/MR wants to keep calling itself an open space where ideas are not silenced, that attitude has to change.
Our friend Demonspawn went even further(and got a few upvotes himself):
Suggesting that the government works better without the women’s vote is not misogyny. It’s an analysis of the facts and the consequences of allowing women’s suffrage.
Suggesting that women retain the right to vote without the corresponding responsibilities that men face is misandry.
So there you have it. The Men’s Rights subreddit doesn’t have a misogyny problem; if anything, it’s a hotbed of misandry.
Yeah, telling a man not to call women he wants to date “wh*res” is shaming. Whatevs.
There isn’t a punk band called Pink Whip yet? There should be. They can do Bikini Kill covers.
@Cassandra
To be fair, David did post a picture of Tom a while back, so I have seen what he looks like. But the personality…I’m with you on that one.
What does that even mean? Oh well, I’m a fun drunk, so whatever, Mr. Receeding Personality.
@ fembot
Yeah, I saw the picture too, that’s why I said that additional evidence would be needed to support your statement, because the evidence we have points in the opposite direction.
BTW, I’d be happy to join Hellkell’s personality in the pub if she didn’t live so far away. And if pubs were a thing that existed in worthwhile form in the US.
Going out with me involves renouncing prostitution in all its forms, including v-feminist forms.
Could it be, Tom Martin, that these women observing you are creepy and would probably not get laid is quite apart from any argument they might be making?
So why do you persist in insisting that a man’s happiness depends on how women act towards him?
Hey, where’d the Toaster go?
… Has anyone actually seen Om Nom and Tom Martin in the same room together?
Wait, is Tom now advocating MGTOW? If so then I think that’s an excellent idea and that he should go his own way and never bother any women again.
(Except for trolling here. He can keep doing that as long as he keeps being an amusing chew toy and doesn’t start talking about child prostitution again.)
Ooh, so not having sex with every heterosexual man on the planet except my current partner is sexual violence! Got it.
Oh gods, here we go again.
What is V-feminist prostitution?
That reminds me, you still haven’t told us what “prostitution in all its forms” actually means.
Going out with Tom sounds like an unending nightmare, unless babysitting an insufferable manchild is your thing.
Cassandra, the only place I’ve found that comes anywhere near spitting distance to an actual English pub is the George and Dragon in Seattle. There are some horrifying chain restaurant approximations here in TX.
Tom, i wouldn’t renounce an open sore if it meant i’d have to date you.
Cassandra said:
Wait, is Tom now advocating MGTOW?
As far as your concerned Cassandra, yes I am.
@Vitamin D:
Good luck getting any definitions out of him.
If he lets himself get nailed down on “prostitution in all its forms,” he’ll eventually have to conceive of a time when a woman actually meets his demand, and then he won’t be able to use his favorite word.
So he keeps throwing terms around and “giving us a bit of credibility” and not defining anything.
*you’re* Tom. Contraction of “you are.”
V-Feminism must be when human-looking alien feminists come along claiming to be friendly, and give people advanced technology to help them, all the while planning something evil in the background.
There are multiple places that call themselves pubs in California. None of them in any way resemble an actual pub. Although to be fair the ones that call themselves gastropubs sometimes have decent food.
Sorry, Tom, but it’s pointess to swear off the company of women who’ve already made it clear that they want nothing to do with you. An effective insult has to sting.
Nom noms has confessed to being a troll multiple times. There are certain kinds of trolls that feel emasculated if their trollhood isn’t recognized and duly worshipped, so they get antsy if nobody freaks out and cries over their presence, and eventually their anxiety builds until they just burst out I’M A TROLL I’M A TROLL FOR GOD’S SAKES EVERYONE LOOK AT ME I AM A TROLL. He is one of them.
If you play it right you can counter-troll these types until they have this explosion publicly. It is one of the more satisfying things to observe on the internet I think.
I would watch a show about V-Feminism, as long as they bring back the sexy lady with the dark hair from the first V.
Vitamin D asked:
What is V-feminist prostitution?
Victim-feminist prostitution is when an organisation or individual representing that organization over-eggs victim female statistics in order to secure more funding for whatever the cause. Here is a great example:
http://lsewomens.tumblr.com/post/11313075310/dear-lse-women-i-hope-everyone-is-as-super-duper