So apparently I’m way off base with this “misogyny” thing. For example, I have been under the impression that I have been finding misogynistic stuff in the Men’s Rights subreddit, like, all the time. With upvotes, and everything. But evidently I’m wrong.
Because now ignatiusloyola, one of the subreddit mods, has done a very scientific study that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that, well, whatever misogyny is there is officially not a big damn deal.
Ig explains his protocol:
I did a quick scan of the first 400 comments on the list (100/page, 4 pages in). I scanned for words like “cunt” and “whore”, and read the context of these. I looked for the words “woman” and “women”, and read the context of these. I looked for “suffrage” and “vote” also.
I found two comments that used the word “cunt”, one of them was used to describe men, the other to describe a specific woman. The only instances of “whore” were “attention whore”.
There were two comments involving the word “woman” that generalized women with negative stereotypes.
“Suffrage” and “vote” instances did not involve any context that suggested that women did not deserve the right to vote.
How a person defines “hatred of women”, either loosely (suggestive from context, rather than explicit) or strictly (explicit statements), it is pretty clear that out of 400 comments, very few are misogynistic.
Does misogyny exist? Yes. But it does not seem to be a significant contribution to r/MensRights. At best, people are seeing a few comments and focusing on their existence while ignoring the rest.
It’s a lot like that time Michael Richards did that standup routine, and everyone focused on that one word he said, totally ignoring all the other words he used that were totally not racist slurs. I mean, yeah, he said that word a bunch of times, but it still made up a very small percentage of all the words he used that evening.
So that’s that, then. Misogyny, officially not a problem!
Or that would have been that, had Ig not actually posted about his experiment to the subreddit he had just proved was, like, totally non-misogynistic:
Because it turned out that a couple of the fellas had an issue with Ig’s methodology. In particular, that stuff about female suffrage. Because, apparently, you can totally be against women having the right to vote and still not be a misogynist. As zyk0s put it (garnering upvotes in the process):
[T]here’s the matter of female suffrage. I really don’t see how suggesting women should not have been granted the right to vote is misogyny. It might be motivated by it, but not necessarily so, and treating it as such is akin to criminalizing holocaust denial: it’s censorship, pure and simple, and if [1] /r/MR wants to keep calling itself an open space where ideas are not silenced, that attitude has to change.
Our friend Demonspawn went even further(and got a few upvotes himself):
Suggesting that the government works better without the women’s vote is not misogyny. It’s an analysis of the facts and the consequences of allowing women’s suffrage.
Suggesting that women retain the right to vote without the corresponding responsibilities that men face is misandry.
So there you have it. The Men’s Rights subreddit doesn’t have a misogyny problem; if anything, it’s a hotbed of misandry.
FYI Falconer, I too am American and yet I’m not so stupidly patriotic that I can’t mock my own countrypersons. Butthurt much?
A Game of Hard Chairs
A Clash of Misandry
A Storm of Scented Fucking Candles
A Feast for Female Penguins
A Dance with Vile M-Feminists
@Freitag: Oh god, the Texas school board wants to stop teaching students how to think about information? Jesus wept! That’s worse than when they tried to erase the slave trade.
Learn what’s appropriate to mock. That video was punching down. We need to punch up.
Nope, unlike some I’m well padded.
Thanks for proving the stereotypes about us correct, dumbass.
@Falconer, oh yes. It’s in their friggin’ platform. Also Texas is home to the (in)famous Texas State Board of Education, which likes to remove science from science classes and history from history courses. And I get to live here. I am so damned lucky. But I’ve got tenure and moving isn’t really an option.
NO U!
This really cracks my shit up. It is like he is acknowledging that he is trolling and making a joke of it.
@Freitag: Good lord. That really sucks.
I’m in Tennessee. It’s not quite as bad, but the Christian culture warriors are still thick on the ground.
And the winner of our Democratic primary last week believes in the NAFTA superhighway and FEMA death camps, advocates gay bashing, and buys into what other people have ridiculed as the Kenyan Usurper Hawaiian Devil Baby theory.
Well, there’s a world-beater.
And in the sci-fi section:
Consider Misandry
The PUA of Game
The Dispossessed: A Misandrist Utopia
Four Ways to Misandry
The Misandrist’s Tale
Flow my Tears, the Misandrist said
The Misandrist Report
Cryptomisandricon
The Misandry Age
And in non-fiction
The Origins of Political Misandry
The End of Misandry
Manufacturing Misandry
Mocking ignorance is not “punching down”. It’s giving people the rude awakening that they need.
Nobody needs that. At worst, they’ll dig in and embrace their beliefs all the harder. That’s part of why the right thinks the left are smug elitists, because the image of the left is a college-educated person.
That video was smug. Nobody needs being smugged at, either.
But whose getting that rude awakening, Om Nom? I think that it’s already fairly widely known that there are a lot of people out there who are ignorant of a lot of things. Telling us something we already know isn’t exactly a rude awakening.
Om Nom, this may the single dumbest thing you’ve said here, and that is an achievement. You should be proud.
And don’t tell me Fembot, you’ve got a ‘good sense of humour’ too, because you ‘love to laugh’.
Tom, why don’t you take your bald self to the pub and try your shit with the ladies there.
Yes, Tom, go to the pub. You’re a decent looking fellow. Provided you brush your teeth and don’t have halitosis, the ladies might like you. Just don’t mention hard chairs, misandry, or call anyone “wh*re.”
I think Hellkell’s personality is still in the pub.
We only need one user of childish comebacks per post, Tom. Two is too many.
” You’re a decent looking fellow.”
Assumes facts not in evidence. There’s the personality issue, too.
Perhaps engage the ladies in a thoughtful discussion of systems of academic inquiry? I’ve found my female colleagues to have meaningful ideas about this topic.
Oh wow, that’s the dude that thinks privilege is being slightly more comfortable in a chair? Aha, how’s it going, buddy?
Threat of Withheld Affection (Code Pink) – The Pink Whip
Discussion: The target is admonished that his viewpoints or behavior will cause women to reject him as a mate. Examples:
“No woman will marry you with that attitude.”
“Creeps like you will never get laid!”
Response: This is an example of the logical fallacy “argumentum ad baculum” (the “appeal to force”). The accuser attempts to negate the validity of a position by pointing to some undesirable circumstance that will befall anyone who takes said position. Really, the only way to deal with the “Pink Whip” is to realize that a man’s happiness and worth is not based on his romantic conquests (including marriage).
All of Tom’s codes would make great band names.
Misandry’s Pawn
Misandry’s Promise
Misandry’s Price