So apparently I’m way off base with this “misogyny” thing. For example, I have been under the impression that I have been finding misogynistic stuff in the Men’s Rights subreddit, like, all the time. With upvotes, and everything. But evidently I’m wrong.
Because now ignatiusloyola, one of the subreddit mods, has done a very scientific study that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that, well, whatever misogyny is there is officially not a big damn deal.
Ig explains his protocol:
I did a quick scan of the first 400 comments on the list (100/page, 4 pages in). I scanned for words like “cunt” and “whore”, and read the context of these. I looked for the words “woman” and “women”, and read the context of these. I looked for “suffrage” and “vote” also.
I found two comments that used the word “cunt”, one of them was used to describe men, the other to describe a specific woman. The only instances of “whore” were “attention whore”.
There were two comments involving the word “woman” that generalized women with negative stereotypes.
“Suffrage” and “vote” instances did not involve any context that suggested that women did not deserve the right to vote.
How a person defines “hatred of women”, either loosely (suggestive from context, rather than explicit) or strictly (explicit statements), it is pretty clear that out of 400 comments, very few are misogynistic.
Does misogyny exist? Yes. But it does not seem to be a significant contribution to r/MensRights. At best, people are seeing a few comments and focusing on their existence while ignoring the rest.
It’s a lot like that time Michael Richards did that standup routine, and everyone focused on that one word he said, totally ignoring all the other words he used that were totally not racist slurs. I mean, yeah, he said that word a bunch of times, but it still made up a very small percentage of all the words he used that evening.
So that’s that, then. Misogyny, officially not a problem!
Or that would have been that, had Ig not actually posted about his experiment to the subreddit he had just proved was, like, totally non-misogynistic:
Because it turned out that a couple of the fellas had an issue with Ig’s methodology. In particular, that stuff about female suffrage. Because, apparently, you can totally be against women having the right to vote and still not be a misogynist. As zyk0s put it (garnering upvotes in the process):
[T]here’s the matter of female suffrage. I really don’t see how suggesting women should not have been granted the right to vote is misogyny. It might be motivated by it, but not necessarily so, and treating it as such is akin to criminalizing holocaust denial: it’s censorship, pure and simple, and if [1] /r/MR wants to keep calling itself an open space where ideas are not silenced, that attitude has to change.
Our friend Demonspawn went even further(and got a few upvotes himself):
Suggesting that the government works better without the women’s vote is not misogyny. It’s an analysis of the facts and the consequences of allowing women’s suffrage.
Suggesting that women retain the right to vote without the corresponding responsibilities that men face is misandry.
So there you have it. The Men’s Rights subreddit doesn’t have a misogyny problem; if anything, it’s a hotbed of misandry.
FYI: I’m not a Cylon, I’m a TERM1NAT0R. 🙂
I guess a link would help: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/07/henrik-rummel-us-rower-erection_n_1753594.html
Is the next step Tom claiming that in order to talk about misogyny we first have to have read his book, which is now available via his website for $500?
Nah, he’s much too lazy to write a whole book.
Fembot, if you want a kiss, simply send a photo, change your personality entirely, and we can talk. What planet do you live on?
That’s nice, dear. Have you cleaned your room yet?
Cassandra, once you realize that the last 400 pages are blank, you’ve already bought it.
i read the Myth of Male Power back in the 90s. I chose to study a Masculinities module as part of my Gender Studies MA at the University of the West of England, I started this MA after completing my MA in English and French at the University of St Andrews. I tell you this so you are aware that i have actually studied and completed academic training designed to enable me to evaluate and think critically about literature.
and the Myth of Male Power, (bear in mind i did this module because i was sympathetic to the concept that masculinity,as constructed by patriarchy, was damaging to men). was badly written and whiny to say the best about it. it turned me off reading MRA literature, a decision that has been validated after finding this site and following the trail to the MRA websites. Victim feminism? Farrell and his ilk assert their ‘victmhood’ loud and clear.
@ katz
My Dad once bought me the most misandrist book in the world! As a gag gift. The title is “Everything That Men Know About Women”, and all the pages are completely blank.
@Shadow, “Game of Boners”
rofl
I’m working my way through Oprah’s Misandrist Book reading list:
A Million Little Pieces of Misandry
The Bridges of Misandry County
Love in the Time of Misandry
The Measure of a Misandrist
Cry, the Misandrist Country
The Secret (spoilers: it’s misandry)
and my first comment was aimed at Tom, sorry
Misandry’s Kin
Misandry’s Fire
Misandry Harper
Misandry’s Time
Speaking of women’s suffrage…….
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uPcthZL2RE&feature=related]
@ToasterHopeful: Yeah, like those videos keep the footage of people who get the joke.
HAH HAH some women don’t know what suffrage means. NOT ONE OF THEM SHOULD BE ALLOWED NEAR A BALLOT!! HAH HAH!
@Freitag
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Poor bastard!
A Princess of Msandry
The Gods of Misandry
Warlord of Misandry
Thuvia, Maid of Misandry
The Chessmen of Misandry
Well footage of those people wouldn’t be funny to watch now, would it? Clearly enough people DONT get the joke because they’re american(ergo, ignorant).
hurr hurr I am Murkan look how stupid I am now kindly piss off.
And even granting for the sake of argument that USians are poorly educated compared to the rest of the world, howsabout we take some of that sweet military money and invest it in our schools? I mean, yeah, sure, after that we’ll spend more money than the next 8 militaries combined, instead of the next 10 militaries combined, but at least folks will have to hunt longer to make their fallacies of composition.
The Misandry Shard
Streams of Misandry
The Halfling’s Misandry
Misandry of Autumn Twilight
Misandry of Winter Night
Misandry of Spring Dawning
@Falconer, oh noes! We must never teach our children anything that might make them actually smart!
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2012/07/01/texas-gop-platform/
You’ll get no argument from me there, Falconer.
Are you from Reddit, Nom? They also love doing that thing where they insult Americans while proving that non Americans can be just as ignorant.
Then don’t slam Americans as constitutionally ignorant, and laugh at people ambushed on the street and recorded on video so other people can laugh at them.
@Tom
I live on planet Earth. I have a very good personality, actually. I am feminine and very pretty, but I’m not sending a picture. Sorry.