So apparently I’m way off base with this “misogyny” thing. For example, I have been under the impression that I have been finding misogynistic stuff in the Men’s Rights subreddit, like, all the time. With upvotes, and everything. But evidently I’m wrong.
Because now ignatiusloyola, one of the subreddit mods, has done a very scientific study that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that, well, whatever misogyny is there is officially not a big damn deal.
Ig explains his protocol:
I did a quick scan of the first 400 comments on the list (100/page, 4 pages in). I scanned for words like “cunt” and “whore”, and read the context of these. I looked for the words “woman” and “women”, and read the context of these. I looked for “suffrage” and “vote” also.
I found two comments that used the word “cunt”, one of them was used to describe men, the other to describe a specific woman. The only instances of “whore” were “attention whore”.
There were two comments involving the word “woman” that generalized women with negative stereotypes.
“Suffrage” and “vote” instances did not involve any context that suggested that women did not deserve the right to vote.
How a person defines “hatred of women”, either loosely (suggestive from context, rather than explicit) or strictly (explicit statements), it is pretty clear that out of 400 comments, very few are misogynistic.
Does misogyny exist? Yes. But it does not seem to be a significant contribution to r/MensRights. At best, people are seeing a few comments and focusing on their existence while ignoring the rest.
It’s a lot like that time Michael Richards did that standup routine, and everyone focused on that one word he said, totally ignoring all the other words he used that were totally not racist slurs. I mean, yeah, he said that word a bunch of times, but it still made up a very small percentage of all the words he used that evening.
So that’s that, then. Misogyny, officially not a problem!
Or that would have been that, had Ig not actually posted about his experiment to the subreddit he had just proved was, like, totally non-misogynistic:
Because it turned out that a couple of the fellas had an issue with Ig’s methodology. In particular, that stuff about female suffrage. Because, apparently, you can totally be against women having the right to vote and still not be a misogynist. As zyk0s put it (garnering upvotes in the process):
[T]here’s the matter of female suffrage. I really don’t see how suggesting women should not have been granted the right to vote is misogyny. It might be motivated by it, but not necessarily so, and treating it as such is akin to criminalizing holocaust denial: it’s censorship, pure and simple, and if [1] /r/MR wants to keep calling itself an open space where ideas are not silenced, that attitude has to change.
Our friend Demonspawn went even further(and got a few upvotes himself):
Suggesting that the government works better without the women’s vote is not misogyny. It’s an analysis of the facts and the consequences of allowing women’s suffrage.
Suggesting that women retain the right to vote without the corresponding responsibilities that men face is misandry.
So there you have it. The Men’s Rights subreddit doesn’t have a misogyny problem; if anything, it’s a hotbed of misandry.
@ Sir Bodsworth
Yeah, Om Nom is the kill all humans and replace them with robots because women hurt my feelings by finding me creepy guy. He’s continuing the legacy of Antz.
Their arguments have certainly dispersed. A few empty husks.
Backs here! Getcher backs here! Get ’em nice and straight! No osteoporosis, nosirree! Backs here!
Ok, for the record I have read Spreading Misandry. It was a few years ago. What I took away from it was that it was more of an op-ed instead of rigorous academic investigation. If that’s what you’re using as a basis for argument, color me unimpressed. Op-eds are great for blogs, but not as a foundation for research.
When in danger of losing, quickly declare victory.
That’s Sun Tzu*, you know.
*(No it isn’t.)
Nom, I like how that image elegantly describes your entire posting career.
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What arguments? You pulled the old “you can’t argue with me because you haven’t read the same books as I have” line. This, as always, is intended to kill an argument. You succeeded (how long has it been since you last heard those two words together) in killing the argument. You are now complaining that the argument is dead.
@ToasterHopeful: Sorry, someone already posted that video today.
And you’re still a trolling, misanthropic douchecanoe.
Um, where did I say or imply that it is the only reason? Obviously it’s not the only reason, but it is A reason. I guess he’s a self-hating, mentally challenged male who thinks he’s cool and smart. 😛
@cloudiah: Goddammit, you made me give the Wikipedia page on L. Ron Hubbard a hit.
Nice work, though.
Is Spreading Misandry like Spreading Santorum?
http://blog.spreadingsantorum.com/
Burned! LOL 😀
Any video yet, Tom?
More projecting?
“Misandry doesn’t exist, because we haven’t read any books on it, due to the misogyny.”
NO U!
@Tom, aren’t you going to stand up for the strict academic rigor of Spreading Misandry?
Tom, you dear, sweet, fool. Sometimes I just want to kiss you, you are so adorable.
Nonsense! I’ve read many books on it!
Bride of Misandry
Misandry Meets a Brooklyn Gorilla
The Saga of the Viking Women and their Voyage to the Waters of the Great Sea Serpent and also Misandry
Spreading Misandry? Does it go well on toast?
@Shade, no. Think “shit on a shingle.”
YOu are all unfit to comment on misandry until you read the definitive work on the subject, Game of Boners
Would that include the guy from the US Olympic Rowing Team?