It’s pretty good show. Most of the discussion involves social media researcher and Fordham professor Alice Marwick and Helen Lewis of the New Statesman. Those of us in the Google+ Hangout pop in briefly with comments and questions.
FWIW, I appear only briefly in the show proper, but I have a somewhat longer (and a bit more coherent) comment in the ten minute “online only” portion that immediately follows the show (and which is also on this video).
It was a somewhat strange, if educational, experience, my first appearance on TV. (The next time I get webcammed into a show, I won’t reflexively look down at the laptop while talking.) It all went by really, really quickly. Weirdly frantic behind the scenes as the producer tried to slot us all in.
The comments on the video on YouTube nicely illustrate the problem we were discussing; that is, they are a rancid pile of misogynistic shitlordery.
My favorite comment is this one from Urhoboman5 about Rebecca Watson:
At 5;30 that chick has a youtube channel. Just type in rebecca feminist and you’ll find it. Interesting how most of her videos are voted down. Sometimes as much as 80% negative because the stuff she says is pure nonsense.
That’s right. He actually thinks that the fact that her videos are targeted by downvote squads proves that she’s wrong to talk about harassment. She’s harassed by dudes who don’t like her talking about harassment so therefore it’s “nonsense” for her to talk about harassment. Brilliant.
“Not all Muslims are like that” = YOU RACIST FUCKBAG
Whoa whoa whoa Joe, calm down, why all the irrational rage on the internet? Tame your emotions.
I just noticed the Amazing Atheist Rape Threat in that video (which was pretty awesome, by the way). Oh my LOL.
For the love of God, do you have the slightest understanding of how religious privilege works? A Christian guy stabs someone and the headline will read “man injured in stabbing”; a Muslim guy does it it’s “Muslim stabs man in hate crime”.
For someone who prides himself on being able to see through the clever distortions that the elites put in the mainstream media, you’re surprisingly bad at seeing through the obvious distortions in the mainstream media.
lol
BAAAAAAAAWWWWWW
why wont these people swallow my rightwing bullshit wholesale
for pretend, self-serving values of libertarian
@lowquacks
libetarians can also be feminists. it just so happens that ruby is neither.
Name one person here who has done this.
My money’s on “THEY KNOW WHO THEY ARE!”
My fake, Internet money.
Not sure on the libertarian thing, because any ideology that basically says “maybe we should have the status quo, but moreso, because capitalism is awesome and free markets are automatically great” is going to have trouble fitting in with feminism, but I’m sure it’s vaguely possible and that Cliff and Zhinxy and others would be able to tell me exactly how, but yeah, that’s what was funny.
@ The First Joe
I never said Islam is a race. You really need to stop making shit up about people.
However as Anathema has already explained,
“However, there is a history of people using Islam as a dogwhistle for race. Islam is used as a proxy for race in order to give racists some degree of plausible deniability when they’re called out on their racism.
This doesn’t mean that all criticism of Islam is racist. But when someone starts whining about those Muslim immigrants and how barbaric and awful they all are, it kinda becomes clear that the word “Muslim” is simply being used as a code word for “brown people.” And that’s racist.”
Just so I understand are you saying that the majority of all stabbings are muslim on non-muslim? Are all the victims gay? Please supply evidence.
There is a growing knife carrying culture among british youth, particularly in London. The Met have been dealing with this for nearly a decade. If you have a violent confrontation on the streets of London, the weapon of choice is a knife. It seems logical to me that with a growing number of disaffected youth and a knife carrying culture you have a real problem. Your answer, shout about ISLAM EXTREMISTS.
You are part of the problem.
You are a tin foil hat wearing, Islamaphobic, BNP EDL sympathiser, and you smell. So there.
I feel sorry for anybody who is gay and a friend of yours.
Besides, the elimination of the free market’s number one priority on the Marxist Slut Agenda, soo…
libertarianism doesnt necessarily say this is the answer
@Sharculese
We must’ve encountered different types of libertarianism, but okay.
@ Sharculese: “for pretend, self-serving values of libertarian”
Once or twice, I’ve run into libertarians who were genuinely thoughtful people, and not self seeking jerks who picked a political stance purely to justify their classism. But they are rather underrepresented in the online libertarian community.
Christ, I hate caps.
@Shiraz
Fuck the caps!
oh yeah, the online libertarian community is mostly rightwing shitheads like ruby, who say they’re libertarians because it sounds more interesting than being a regular wingnut
to her credit, ruby is like vaguely antihomophic and against the drug war, but that’s about the extent of her non-shitty positions
I have a cousin who’s an anti-choice libertarian. She lurrrves her some Ron Paul. If you met her you’d think she was the sweetest person (as long as you didn’t talk politics with her). But she lives in her little privilege bubble and can’t understand that other people don’t live exactly like her. She’s also super gullible and still believes that Pepsi and P&G are making “natural flavors” out of aborted babies.
I’ve known one other libertarian offline. He was basically a sociopath who liked to smoke pot.
Huh, I wonder why my comment is awaiting moderation. Was it the phrase “aborted babies”?
@Shiraz & lowquacks
How racist of you!!
@claire
did you mention a certain racist politician from texas or a synonym for prostitutes starting with ‘w’
cuz those are banned now
@Sir nobby numbnuts –
Actually, in the UK papers it is much LESS likely that a criminals race or religion will get reported if either or both of those are of a “minority” status (even if they are the majority in that locality). For fear of “inflaming sensitivities”
If the motive for crime does not fit with PC dogma it will often be reported as “motiveless”, “mindless”, “random”.
In the Olly Hemsley case headlines in the mainstream media read:
“Mail – “A student tipped as a star fashion designer of the future has been left paralysed after being stabbed in a random street attack. Oliver Hemsley, then 20, was set upon by a gang of youths as he innocently walked with a flatmate on a summer evening last year. ”
Mirror – “Budding fashion designer Oliver Hemsley, 21, was picked at random and stabbed repeatedly by a schoolboy thug as he walked with a girl pal.”
Indie – “A brush with death: Why Britain’s coolest art and fashion names have rallied around a victim of random knife crime””
^Gosh! There’s no clue as to the motive is there???
http://ukcommentators.blogspot.co.uk/2011/03/victims-of-no-appearance-perps-of-no.html
But the pink paper reported it differently.
http://news.pinkpaper.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=380
“8 September 2008
Georgeand Dragon A 22-year-old man is fighting for his life after being stabbed outside one of London’s popular gay venues.
The victim, who worked in Shoreditch and lives in neighboring Arnold Circus, was attacked by eight Asian youths on 28 August on Boundary Street, East London – yards from the George and Dragon pub.
In a completely unmotivated and gruesome attack, youths snatched a bottle of wine he was carrying, smashed it and used the broken glass to stab him in the torso, while two others then attacked him with knives.
He was stabbed a total of eight times.
Now, he remains in critical but stable condition with his family at his bedside.
This is the latest in a series of incidents concerning Asian youths that have been reported in
the area.
An anonymous informant told Pink Paper: “There’s been a lot of Asian teenage gangs who terrorise customers at the Joiners Arms and the George and Dragon. Initially, it started as verbal abuse and spitting, but now it’s escalating. I’m going to court myself in a few weeks because I was punched in the face by somebody who hated me for being gay.
“People assume that – because of a few bars in Hoxton Square – the whole of East London is liberal. The truth is, disproportionate levels of homophobia are still spiralling. Fact. We have to do something.””
^Aha! Homophobic violence!
I am so confused? When did anyone say that “all Muslims are good therefore can’t be homophobic” in the first place? Isn’t that what Joe is saying people said? Surely no one here is vocally onboard the stabbing of anyone, are they? I’m… so confused.
So you’re comparing the headlines of some papers (but not the text) with the complete text of an article in another (but not the headline), and finding a difference? Interesting. I suppose I could check out the complete articles, but you’ve mysteriously only linked to one.
(Aside – I’m bisexual; that bit at the end where you triumphantly exclaimed “^Aha! Homophobic violence!” made me physically nauseous, you preposterous shit tick..)