It’s pretty good show. Most of the discussion involves social media researcher and Fordham professor Alice Marwick and Helen Lewis of the New Statesman. Those of us in the Google+ Hangout pop in briefly with comments and questions.
FWIW, I appear only briefly in the show proper, but I have a somewhat longer (and a bit more coherent) comment in the ten minute “online only” portion that immediately follows the show (and which is also on this video).
It was a somewhat strange, if educational, experience, my first appearance on TV. (The next time I get webcammed into a show, I won’t reflexively look down at the laptop while talking.) It all went by really, really quickly. Weirdly frantic behind the scenes as the producer tried to slot us all in.
The comments on the video on YouTube nicely illustrate the problem we were discussing; that is, they are a rancid pile of misogynistic shitlordery.
My favorite comment is this one from Urhoboman5 about Rebecca Watson:
At 5;30 that chick has a youtube channel. Just type in rebecca feminist and you’ll find it. Interesting how most of her videos are voted down. Sometimes as much as 80% negative because the stuff she says is pure nonsense.
That’s right. He actually thinks that the fact that her videos are targeted by downvote squads proves that she’s wrong to talk about harassment. She’s harassed by dudes who don’t like her talking about harassment so therefore it’s “nonsense” for her to talk about harassment. Brilliant.
so… you just happen to fixate on the behavior of a faith who’s members are primarily of a different race than you? that’s a mighty fine coincidence!
yeah yeah dude, we’ve all heard this excuse making screeds before. putting it in temper-tantrum terms with your silly little capslock fetish doesnt make it less dishonest or unconvincing. sorry.
now fuck off back to whatever whiny white power sewer you slithered out of.
BAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWW
nobody is convinced by your poorly thought out crocodile tears, white power joe
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/racist
rac·ism
(rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
racist adj. &
Gametime, Rutee, Sharculese and a bunch of others here subscribe to the view that a FICTIONAL RACE that they believe in (called Islam) is superior to all others.
They show this by supporting the violent homophobic crimes of extremist Islamists.
They empathise with the oppressing group (extremist Islamists, which they believe – wrongly – are a race) and fail to empathise with the oppressed group (gay people).
Therefore they are RACISTS.
lol wut?
citation needed
shorter racist grandpa joe: HOW dare you call me RACIST just because i repeat racist TALKING points VERBATIM
oh god, is seriously enough of a dumbfuck to quote the dictionary?
*is he
@Sharculese – FUCK YOU! YOU RACIST! I’m MIXED RACE you FUCKING MORON!
And by the way you ignorant fuckwad – there are MILLIONS OF WHITE PEOPLE WHO ARE MUSLIMS in existence YOU UTTER IDIOT. Not to mention MILLIONS OF MUSLIMS WHO ARE BLACK PEOPLE and MILLIONS MORE WHO ARE ARAB PEOPLE and MILLIONS MORE WHO ARE ASIAN PEOPLE!
Only here on this little cult of Manboobz is there this BIZARRE belief that a worldwide religion, which has members of every race in existence is somehow magically a separate “race” of its own. YOU RACIST MORON.
@ Joe:
Some Muslims are homophobes. Some Muslims are not.
The same can be said of atheists, Christians, Jews, Hindus, or any other religious group you care to name.
If someone stands up against anti-Semitism, the fact that some Jews are homophobes does not make that person a homophobe.
Heck, look at Ruby. She’s a woman and a racist. Yet that does not automatically mean that every feminist is a racist.
You idiot.
Sorry, Joe, can’t hear you. Can you try using CAPS LOCK more?
The First Joe = BNP supporter. They love the gays.
Wow, you guys can be lawyers the way you twist my words. I never said there weren’t any non-Westerners who believed in freedom. I was just referring to our Western ideals of, “live and let live.” I hope it spreads throughout the entire world.
The First Joe:
I am going to second that there citation needed request by Fembot.
My theory: Ruby is trying to piss people off at this point.
I’m totally reading Iosephus I’s rants in Linkara’s Batman voice.
Joe, I should probably not engage you like a flight of Vipers should not engage three Basestars, but you’ve got enough straw there to hold Burning Man all by yourself.
Your gotcha! attempts are weaksauce, man.
And I bet you haven’t learned anything more about US politics.
Interesting so not believing all Muslims are evil is racist. You learn something new every day.
Two things, the attack was horrendous and there are no excuses. However, the BBC article neither mentions the sexual orientation of the victim or the religion of the perpetrator. It is horrific he did such a thing and boasted about it. I don’t see how it is proof if Muslim homophobia. It does seem an issue that needs addressing, and my old university newspaper had a distressing article of an Islamic student who was shunned by his parents for being gay. It is also an issue that needs addressing in some Christian communities.
It is wrong to say all immigrants are good, a bit ludicrous in fact. However it is also wrong to say all the current population of any country are good. If you could judge good and bad people easily there would be no crime.
so you were being racist, you were just repeating racist talking points about ‘western civilization’
are you stupid?
wait, no,that’s been answered.
The First Joe is reminding me of a lawyer I am listening to who also jumps to the erroneous conclusions that then leave everyone else staring at zir in total disbelief.
Which Sharculese are you talking to? Is there another one here?
@ Joe:
Islam is indeed a religion and not a race.
However, there is a history of people using Islam as a dogwhistle for race. Islam is used as a proxy for race in order to give racists some degree of plausible deniability when they’re called out on their racism.
This doesn’t mean that all criticism of Islam is racist. But when someone starts whining about those Muslim immigrants and how barbaric and awful they all are, it kinda becomes clear that the word “Muslim” is simply being used as a code word for “brown people.” And that’s racist.
predominantly white religions hate on the gays too, but you seem intent on obsessing about muslims? why is that, racist joe?
*werent being racist
freudian slip
@Anathema – right now, here in the UK* there is only ONE major world religion that contains a large enough number of evil homophobic fuckbags to run mass indocrination against gay people, with sufficient force to actually generate full-scale homphobic hate campaigns – to the point that they have attempted to make whole areas of cities and towns no-go for gays**, and have actually attacked gays – paralysing one gay lad, Oliver Hemsley.
These EXTREMISTS are fucking evil thugs.
Yeah, NAMALT. Not all muslims are like that. That’s absolutely true. There are plenty of perfectly pleasant, tolerant muslims here too, see also below**.
I’m just mad at the hateful, violent ones.
I’m also mad at the holier-than-thou racists on this blog who support those violent, homophobic fucks.
*I know that over in USA you’ve got a bunch of hateful, violent Xtians too. I heartily condemn those bastards too.
** One of the UK’s most famous gay activists went to show solidarity with Muslims to counter an EDL demo recently, here’s the thanks he got:
“…….he was there to: “defend the Muslim community against EDL thuggery” and because he “wanted to stand in solidarity with Muslims who oppose far right Islamists.”
But, while holding placards which read ‘Stop EDL & far right Islamists. No to ALL hate’ and ‘Gays & Muslims UNITE! Stop the EDL’, Tatchell was subjected to anti-gay hostility from a minority of homophobic Muslims who, ironically, were part of the anti-EDL demonstration.
According to the veteran equality activist, the group attempted to destroy the placards and were intimidating. At one point he feared the threat of violence.
Speaking to PinkPaper.com, Tatchell said: “I was surrounded several times throughout the day by angry Muslim youths who ordered me: ‘You must remove this placard…You can’t walk here with these words…We don’t allow gays in this area…Gays are not permitted here…We don’t have gays in Tower Hamlets’. When I suggested that LGBT Muslims must also be defended against the EDL, I was told: “Gays can’t be Muslims…We will never accept them (LGBT Muslims)…They can’t come around here…We won’t allow it.”
He added: “My response was to engage with these Muslims hotheads and argue against them. The discussions got very heated; at times even menacing and scary. There were moments when I thought I was going to be physically attacked.”
Despite this, Tatchell said the moment passed without incident – partly because of police presence and also because other members of the Muslim community intervened and offered their support.
He described the latter as being “significant” in diffusing the situation.
Yet it was not just Muslims who opposed Tatchell’s presence at the demonstration.
In a statement released earlier today, he claims he also suffered: “dirty looks from a small number of left-wing and LGBT anti-EDL protesters, some of whom said explicitly that our placards were ‘insensitive…provocative…inappropriate…divisive’.”
They also claimed he was “racist…fascist…anti-Muslim”……”
http://news.pinkpaper.com/NewsStory/6000/5/9/2011/Peter-Tatchell-suffered-homophobic-hostility-from-Muslims-at-anti-EDL-demo.aspx
oh god joe your one of those racist bedwetters who believes in the ‘islamisization of europe’ or whatever dumb term yall are using now, arent you?
@tasblacksmith – Fuck off you RACIST!
I’m MIXED RACE, why the FUCK would I support a bunch of RACIST fucks like the BNP!