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Here’s the video of the Al Jazeera English show featuring Helen Lewis and Rebecca Watson, among others, and me.

It’s  pretty good show. Most of the discussion involves social media researcher and Fordham professor Alice Marwick and Helen Lewis of the New Statesman. Those of us in the Google+ Hangout pop in briefly with comments and questions.

FWIW, I appear only briefly in the show proper, but I have a somewhat longer (and a bit more coherent) comment in the ten minute “online only” portion that immediately follows the show (and which is also on this video).

It was a somewhat strange, if educational, experience, my first appearance on TV. (The next time I get webcammed into a show, I won’t reflexively look down at the laptop while talking.) It all went by really, really quickly. Weirdly frantic behind the scenes as the producer tried to slot us all in.

The comments on the video on YouTube nicely  illustrate the problem we were discussing; that is, they are a rancid pile of misogynistic shitlordery.

My favorite comment is this one from Urhoboman5 about Rebecca Watson:

At 5;30 that chick has a youtube channel. Just type in rebecca feminist and you’ll find it. Interesting how most of her videos are voted down. Sometimes as much as 80% negative because the stuff she says is pure nonsense.

That’s right. He actually thinks that the fact that her videos are targeted by downvote squads proves that she’s wrong to talk about harassment. She’s harassed by dudes who don’t like her talking about harassment so therefore it’s “nonsense” for her to talk about harassment. Brilliant.

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clairedammit
clairedammit
8 years ago

But I am a Marxist slut! I guess we feminists are our own worst enemies after all.

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

I can’t stand Marge. She’s boring, a killjoy, a nag and in many instances quite close minded. If MRAs want to take the role of the Marge Simpsons on TV, be my guest.

Hell lets put it this way, when people quote Simpsons, they don’t quote Marge.

Falconer
Falconer
8 years ago

Hell lets put it this way, when people quote Simpsons, they don’t quote Marge.

Well, I’ve been known to pop out “Do rappers still say that?” which I think is one of hers.

But you’ve still got a point.

creativewritingstudent
creativewritingstudent
8 years ago

I suggest the logo of the Marxist Slut Agenda be a string of bunting, comprising of many red knickers. This shall represent all Marxist Sluts, from those who like granny panties to those who like thongs.

creativewritingstudent
creativewritingstudent
8 years ago

And of course, from boxers to Y-fronts. We must include all sluts of all undergarnment preferences.

… how does one do red commando?

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

She’s boring, a killjoy, a nag and in many instances quite close minded.

That’s pretty much every sitcom wife in a nutshell.

DumbassApostrophe
DumbassApostrophe
8 years ago

@creativewritingstudent
I guess we’ll have to leave that one to the natural gingers among us.

Sharculese
8 years ago

We are Westerners after all so we believe in freedom, right?

holy fuck.

what is wrong with you, you stupid piece of shit?

The First Joe
The First Joe
8 years ago

Remember when you all said that feminism was nothing to do with communism? These leaders of your movement disagree.

“Feminism, Socialism, and Communism are one in the same, and Socialist/Communist government is the goal of feminism.” – Catharine A. MacKinnon, Toward a Feminist Theory of the State (First Harvard University Press, 1989), p.10

“A world where men and women would be equal is easy to visualize, for that precisely is what the Soviet Revolution promised.” – Simone de Beauvoir, The Second Sex (New York, Random House, 1952), p.806

“The Women’s Caucus [endorses] Marxist-Leninist thought.” — Robin Morgan, Sisterhood is Powerful, p. 597

tasblacksmith
tasblacksmith
8 years ago

NWO can recognise operatives from the Marxist Slut Agenda, due to the training he recieved on the mean streets of the ghetto. There children are handed spotter cards, similar to those used for enemy aircraft identification, little sihouttes of marxist sluts on a white card.
35 years in the ghetto gives you many advantages.

scrapemind
8 years ago

I can’t think of any examples of online communities harassing men. In man-hating spaces, it’s usually against the comments policy to be male, so there are no men to harass.

The First Joe
The First Joe
8 years ago

@Rutee and Gametime – you are a pair of RACIST HOMOPHOBES. You both voiced support for the extremist Islamist assholes in the UK that did these horrible things:

“….Last autumn, mysterious posters began to appear all over the East End of London announcing it is now a “Gay-Free Zone.” They warned: “And Fear Allah: Verily Allah is Severe in Punishment.”…

… In May 2008, a 15 year old Muslim girl tells her teacher she thinks she might be gay, and the Muslim teacher in a state-funded comprehensive tells her “there are no gays round here” and she will “BURN IN HELL” if she ever acts on it. (I know because she emailed me, suicidal and begging for help).

In September 2008, a young gay man called Oliver Hemsley, is walking home from the gay pub the George and Dragon when a gang of young Muslims STABS him eight times, in the back, in the lungs, and in his spinal column [ed – he survived, but is paralysed].

In January 2010, when the thug who did it is convicted, a gang of thirty Muslims storms the George and Dragon in revenge and violently ATTACKS everybody there. All through, it was normal to see young men handing out leaflets outside the Whitechapel Ideas Store saying gays are “evil.” ”

http://johannhari.com/2011/02/25/can-we-talk-about-muslim-homophobia-now/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8010629.stm

YOU ARE BOTH RACISTS, BECAUSE you unthinkingly gave your support to this^ evil, just because you thought “immigrants”, must = good.
Even though an awful lot of the fascist Islamists in the UK are 2nd or 3rd generation i.e. born here and therefore BRITISH – (even though many don’t think of themselves as British). What’s more some of them are indigenous converts.

@Gametime – you spent a lot of time ranting about the Nazis. Guess what? Political extremist Islamists just like the evil homophobes above^ are some of the world’s worst anti-Semites! You support them, therefore you are an ANTI-SEMITE, a RACIST and probably a NAZI too.

Hell, the Islamists you support joined the Nazis! During WWII the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem tried to get in on as much of the action as possible, writing to Hitler to try and get Nazi help against Jews in Palestine. The Mufti:

“….recruited Muslim volunteers for the German armed forces operating in the Balkans. Beginning in 1941, al-Husseini visited Bosnia, and convinced Muslim leaders that a Muslim S.S. division would be in the interest of Islam. In spite of these and other propaganda efforts, “only half of the expected 20,000 to 25,000 Muslims volunteered’.[163] The largest division was the 13th Handschar division, which conducted operations against Communist partisans in the Balkans from February 1944. The creation of this division displeased the Croatian government, which raised numerous minor obstacles to its activities, out of fear that it would serve as a basis for Muslim autonomy.[164]

In 1942, al-Husseini helped organize Arab students and North African emigres in Germany into the “Arabisches Freiheitkorps,” an Arab Legion in the German Army that hunted down Allied parachutists in the Balkans and fought on the Russian front.[165]

On March 1, 1944, while speaking on Radio Berlin, al-Husseini said: ‘Arabs, rise as one man and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor. God is with you.'[166][167][168] He was promised the leadership of Palestine after German troops had driven out the British.[169] At the end of the war, he was allowed to flee to Syria as part of an attempt to prevent the alienation of Middle Eastern regimes.[169]…”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini#In_Nazi-occupied_Europe

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/muftihit.html

@Gametime – here’s a picture of your hero, you RACIST, ANTI-SEMITE:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1980-036-05%2C_Amin_al_Husseini_bei_bosnischen_SS-Freiwilligen.jpg

Sharculese
8 years ago

jesus fuck joe, did you see there was already one stupid reactionary racist in this thread and decide you needed attention. nobody cares about your dumb 1950s tantrums. go the fuck away.

Sharculese
8 years ago

@Rutee and Gametime – you are a pair of RACIST HOMOPHOBES. You both voiced support for the extremist Islamist assholes in the UK that did these horrible things:

baaaaaaaaawwwww

you know ruby is queer right, you dishonest bedwetting illiterate

Sharculese
8 years ago

oh wait your evidence that they dont treat muslims as a single, undifferentiated mass?

holy shit you a big racist barrel of stupid

clairedammit
clairedammit
8 years ago

Hell, the Islamists you support joined the Nazis!

dude you’re the only one talking about nazis

clairedammit
clairedammit
8 years ago

dishonest bedwetting illiterate

Haha, I am so using this the next time I go on a rant about something.

Sharculese
8 years ago

Haha, I am so using this the next time I go on a rant about something.

well to be fair, it only works because joe is a) serially dishonest b)pants-shittingly afraid of bizarre array of made up threads and c) terrible at reading comprehension

dont sling it around except at people who deserve it

Sharculese
8 years ago

oh right, owlslave posted here too. so that’s three dumb wingnut racists in one thread. and on the first page. is that a record?

The First Joe
The First Joe
8 years ago

@Sharculese – Gay kids are being stabbed and beaten by fascist Islamists, but you defend those fascists. That makes YOU a FASCIST and an idiot RACIST by your own admittance because apparently you believe that Muslims are a race! And you CHOOSE to support this FICTIONAL race above all others.

Wrong! Islam is a RELIGION, NOT A RACE. Chechen, Bosnian, Kazak Muslims are white people. A great many sub-saharan Muslims are black people. Muslims in the Middle East are mostly Arab people etc. etc. That’s NOT a race! But you, moron, believe it is and you hold that fictional race more important than all others, even when extremist members of that race commit horrible homophobic, racist / anti-semitic and misogynist attacks! Therefore, YOU ARE A RACIST.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Hey Joe, please learn some current feminists, OK? I know that may take some time away from your moon-battery, but I’m sure such an intellectual light can hack it.

scrapemind
8 years ago

Joe, Sharculese is calling you a racist. You think if you call him a racist back, you’ll be even? Wrong. Sharculese is backed by academia, the people who write the history books. Either use the official defintion of the word racist or abandon it altogether.

The First Joe
The First Joe
8 years ago

@Sharculese – Fuck off! YOU are a RACIST and a HOMOPHOBE!

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Joe, you are an IDIOT, who knows NOTHING and spouts BULLSHIT. Go play with your TINFOIL hats and leave us ALONE.

cloudiah
8 years ago

Where’s Katz to start the countdown to meltdown? (Except it appears Joe arrived today in full meltdown mode.)

Sharculese
8 years ago

@Sharculese – Gay kids are being stabbed and beaten by fascist Islamists, but you defend those fascists. That makes YOU a FASCIST and an idiot RACIST by your own admittance because apparently you believe that Muslims are a race! And you CHOOSE to support this FICTIONAL race above all others.

so… you just happen to fixate on the behavior of a faith who’s members are primarily of a different race than you? that’s a mighty fine coincidence!

Wrong! Islam is a RELIGION, NOT A RACE. Chechen, Bosnian, Kazak Muslims are white people. A great many sub-saharan Muslims are black people. Muslims in the Middle East are mostly Arab people etc. etc. That’s NOT a race! But you, moron, believe it is and you hold that fictional race more important than all others, even when extremist members of that race commit horrible homophobic, racist / anti-semitic and misogynist attacks! Therefore, YOU ARE A RACIST.

yeah yeah dude, we’ve all heard this excuse making screeds before. putting it in temper-tantrum terms with your silly little capslock fetish doesnt make it less dishonest or unconvincing. sorry.

now fuck off back to whatever whiny white power sewer you slithered out of.

Sharculese
8 years ago

@Sharculese – Fuck off! YOU are a RACIST and a HOMOPHOBE!

BAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWW

nobody is convinced by your poorly thought out crocodile tears, white power joe

The First Joe
The First Joe
8 years ago

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/racist

rac·ism
(rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
racist adj. &

Gametime, Rutee, Sharculese and a bunch of others here subscribe to the view that a FICTIONAL RACE that they believe in (called Islam) is superior to all others.
They show this by supporting the violent homophobic crimes of extremist Islamists.
They empathise with the oppressing group (extremist Islamists, which they believe – wrongly – are a race) and fail to empathise with the oppressed group (gay people).

Therefore they are RACISTS.

fembot
8 years ago

lol wut?

citation needed

Sharculese
8 years ago

shorter racist grandpa joe: HOW dare you call me RACIST just because i repeat racist TALKING points VERBATIM

Sharculese
8 years ago

oh god, is seriously enough of a dumbfuck to quote the dictionary?

Sharculese
8 years ago

*is he

The First Joe
The First Joe
8 years ago

@Sharculese – FUCK YOU! YOU RACIST! I’m MIXED RACE you FUCKING MORON!

And by the way you ignorant fuckwad – there are MILLIONS OF WHITE PEOPLE WHO ARE MUSLIMS in existence YOU UTTER IDIOT. Not to mention MILLIONS OF MUSLIMS WHO ARE BLACK PEOPLE and MILLIONS MORE WHO ARE ARAB PEOPLE and MILLIONS MORE WHO ARE ASIAN PEOPLE!

Only here on this little cult of Manboobz is there this BIZARRE belief that a worldwide religion, which has members of every race in existence is somehow magically a separate “race” of its own. YOU RACIST MORON.

Anathema
Anathema
8 years ago

@ Joe:

Some Muslims are homophobes. Some Muslims are not.

The same can be said of atheists, Christians, Jews, Hindus, or any other religious group you care to name.

If someone stands up against anti-Semitism, the fact that some Jews are homophobes does not make that person a homophobe.

Heck, look at Ruby. She’s a woman and a racist. Yet that does not automatically mean that every feminist is a racist.

You idiot.

cloudiah
8 years ago

Sorry, Joe, can’t hear you. Can you try using CAPS LOCK more?

tasblacksmith
tasblacksmith
8 years ago

The First Joe = BNP supporter. They love the gays.

RubyHypatia
RubyHypatia
8 years ago

Wow, you guys can be lawyers the way you twist my words. I never said there weren’t any non-Westerners who believed in freedom. I was just referring to our Western ideals of, “live and let live.” I hope it spreads throughout the entire world.

princessbonbon
8 years ago

The First Joe:
I am going to second that there citation needed request by Fembot.

Viscaria
Viscaria
8 years ago

My theory: Ruby is trying to piss people off at this point.

Falconer
Falconer
8 years ago

I’m totally reading Iosephus I’s rants in Linkara’s Batman voice.

Joe, I should probably not engage you like a flight of Vipers should not engage three Basestars, but you’ve got enough straw there to hold Burning Man all by yourself.

Your gotcha! attempts are weaksauce, man.

And I bet you haven’t learned anything more about US politics.

Pear_tree
Pear_tree
8 years ago

Interesting so not believing all Muslims are evil is racist. You learn something new every day.

Two things, the attack was horrendous and there are no excuses. However, the BBC article neither mentions the sexual orientation of the victim or the religion of the perpetrator. It is horrific he did such a thing and boasted about it. I don’t see how it is proof if Muslim homophobia. It does seem an issue that needs addressing, and my old university newspaper had a distressing article of an Islamic student who was shunned by his parents for being gay. It is also an issue that needs addressing in some Christian communities.

It is wrong to say all immigrants are good, a bit ludicrous in fact. However it is also wrong to say all the current population of any country are good. If you could judge good and bad people easily there would be no crime.

Sharculese
8 years ago

I never said there weren’t any non-Westerners who believed in freedom. I was just referring to our Western ideals of, “live and let live.”

so you were being racist, you were just repeating racist talking points about ‘western civilization’

are you stupid?

wait, no,that’s been answered.

princessbonbon
8 years ago

The First Joe is reminding me of a lawyer I am listening to who also jumps to the erroneous conclusions that then leave everyone else staring at zir in total disbelief.

clairedammit
clairedammit
8 years ago

Which Sharculese are you talking to? Is there another one here?

Anathema
Anathema
8 years ago

@ Joe:

Islam is indeed a religion and not a race.

However, there is a history of people using Islam as a dogwhistle for race. Islam is used as a proxy for race in order to give racists some degree of plausible deniability when they’re called out on their racism.

This doesn’t mean that all criticism of Islam is racist. But when someone starts whining about those Muslim immigrants and how barbaric and awful they all are, it kinda becomes clear that the word “Muslim” is simply being used as a code word for “brown people.” And that’s racist.

Sharculese
8 years ago

@Sharculese – FUCK YOU! YOU RACIST! I’m MIXED RACE you FUCKING MORON!

And by the way you ignorant fuckwad – there are MILLIONS OF WHITE PEOPLE WHO ARE MUSLIMS in existence YOU UTTER IDIOT. Not to mention MILLIONS OF MUSLIMS WHO ARE BLACK PEOPLE and MILLIONS MORE WHO ARE ARAB PEOPLE and MILLIONS MORE WHO ARE ASIAN PEOPLE!

Only here on this little cult of Manboobz is there this BIZARRE belief that a worldwide religion, which has members of every race in existence is somehow magically a separate “race” of its own. YOU RACIST MORON.

predominantly white religions hate on the gays too, but you seem intent on obsessing about muslims? why is that, racist joe?

Sharculese
8 years ago

Which Sharculese are you talking to? Is there another one here?

*werent being racist

freudian slip

The First Joe
The First Joe
8 years ago

@Anathema – right now, here in the UK* there is only ONE major world religion that contains a large enough number of evil homophobic fuckbags to run mass indocrination against gay people, with sufficient force to actually generate full-scale homphobic hate campaigns – to the point that they have attempted to make whole areas of cities and towns no-go for gays**, and have actually attacked gays – paralysing one gay lad, Oliver Hemsley.

These EXTREMISTS are fucking evil thugs.

Yeah, NAMALT. Not all muslims are like that. That’s absolutely true. There are plenty of perfectly pleasant, tolerant muslims here too, see also below**.

I’m just mad at the hateful, violent ones.
I’m also mad at the holier-than-thou racists on this blog who support those violent, homophobic fucks.

*I know that over in USA you’ve got a bunch of hateful, violent Xtians too. I heartily condemn those bastards too.

** One of the UK’s most famous gay activists went to show solidarity with Muslims to counter an EDL demo recently, here’s the thanks he got:

“…….he was there to: “defend the Muslim community against EDL thuggery” and because he “wanted to stand in solidarity with Muslims who oppose far right Islamists.”

But, while holding placards which read ‘Stop EDL & far right Islamists. No to ALL hate’ and ‘Gays & Muslims UNITE! Stop the EDL’, Tatchell was subjected to anti-gay hostility from a minority of homophobic Muslims who, ironically, were part of the anti-EDL demonstration.

According to the veteran equality activist, the group attempted to destroy the placards and were intimidating. At one point he feared the threat of violence.

Speaking to PinkPaper.com, Tatchell said: “I was surrounded several times throughout the day by angry Muslim youths who ordered me: ‘You must remove this placard…You can’t walk here with these words…We don’t allow gays in this area…Gays are not permitted here…We don’t have gays in Tower Hamlets’. When I suggested that LGBT Muslims must also be defended against the EDL, I was told: “Gays can’t be Muslims…We will never accept them (LGBT Muslims)…They can’t come around here…We won’t allow it.”

He added: “My response was to engage with these Muslims hotheads and argue against them. The discussions got very heated; at times even menacing and scary. There were moments when I thought I was going to be physically attacked.”

Despite this, Tatchell said the moment passed without incident – partly because of police presence and also because other members of the Muslim community intervened and offered their support.

He described the latter as being “significant” in diffusing the situation.

Yet it was not just Muslims who opposed Tatchell’s presence at the demonstration.

In a statement released earlier today, he claims he also suffered: “dirty looks from a small number of left-wing and LGBT anti-EDL protesters, some of whom said explicitly that our placards were ‘insensitive…provocative…inappropriate…divisive’.”

They also claimed he was “racist…fascist…anti-Muslim”……”

http://news.pinkpaper.com/NewsStory/6000/5/9/2011/Peter-Tatchell-suffered-homophobic-hostility-from-Muslims-at-anti-EDL-demo.aspx

Sharculese
8 years ago

oh god joe your one of those racist bedwetters who believes in the ‘islamisization of europe’ or whatever dumb term yall are using now, arent you?

The First Joe
The First Joe
8 years ago

@tasblacksmith – Fuck off you RACIST!

I’m MIXED RACE, why the FUCK would I support a bunch of RACIST fucks like the BNP!