It’s pretty good show. Most of the discussion involves social media researcher and Fordham professor Alice Marwick and Helen Lewis of the New Statesman. Those of us in the Google+ Hangout pop in briefly with comments and questions.
FWIW, I appear only briefly in the show proper, but I have a somewhat longer (and a bit more coherent) comment in the ten minute “online only” portion that immediately follows the show (and which is also on this video).
It was a somewhat strange, if educational, experience, my first appearance on TV. (The next time I get webcammed into a show, I won’t reflexively look down at the laptop while talking.) It all went by really, really quickly. Weirdly frantic behind the scenes as the producer tried to slot us all in.
The comments on the video on YouTube nicely illustrate the problem we were discussing; that is, they are a rancid pile of misogynistic shitlordery.
My favorite comment is this one from Urhoboman5 about Rebecca Watson:
At 5;30 that chick has a youtube channel. Just type in rebecca feminist and you’ll find it. Interesting how most of her videos are voted down. Sometimes as much as 80% negative because the stuff she says is pure nonsense.
That’s right. He actually thinks that the fact that her videos are targeted by downvote squads proves that she’s wrong to talk about harassment. She’s harassed by dudes who don’t like her talking about harassment so therefore it’s “nonsense” for her to talk about harassment. Brilliant.
Ruby: “Yes, Western culture is superior. Why? Because of our freedoms.”
LAWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL this is almost literally the mock sentence my hubsband and i use to make fun of a relative who is a rightwing, fox news listening, rush limbaugh loving 50’s father stereotype.
Do “they” also “hate us because of our freedoms”??? do “they”????
Holy fuck. Hey Ruby, what would you say if I said men are superior, because for the most part it was men who designed and manufactured all of those things? Would you say “oh, that makes a lot of sense, men rock!” or would you correctly point out the many ways women have been, and continue to be, left out of those industries? Would you point out the ways that women’s contributions to technology are systematically erased and undervalued, or attributed to their male superiors? Yes? No?
But “we’ve got a space station” is a perfectly valid explanation for why white people are just better, right? No need to think that one through.
The rubber that made early automobiles possible was grown by coerced farmers in Africa (look up the term “red rubber”). Most internal components of computers and smartphones are made in China and Taiwan, often under horrible working conditions
The reason that Western culture has so much stuff is because Westerners forced other people to make it for us.
Also, is the ability to make a smartphone or an atom smasher really the mark of a “superior” civilization? I tend to feel that Rumi and Gandhi were more civilized people than, for example, Oppenheimer and Steve Jobs.
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@Falconer – here in the UK by BIGOTED RACIST DEFINITION the only official hate crimes are those committed by white people.
So, for instance the despicable murder of Steven Lawrence (a black lad) by a bunch of white evil, racist thugs was CORRECTLY recorded as a racist hate crime.
The attempted murder of Olly Hemsley was INCORRECTLY NOT recorded as a racist, religious or homophobic hate crime, because BY BIGOTED RACIST DEFINITION people from a “minority” background are officially held to be magically unable to commit hate crimes against white people. The UK’s hate crime laws are RACIST!!
If the hate crime laws in the UK had any balance the Rochdale Pedophile Rapists (all Muslims, 8 Pakistani, 1 Afghan) would be guilty of double hate crime – because they only victimised young girls who were NOT of the same race, and who were NOT of the same RELIGION. However, the bullshitting coppers came out with this:
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17989463
“… Assistant Chief Constable Steve Heywood of Greater Manchester Police (GMP) denied that the ethnicity of either the defendants or the victims was a factor.
“It is not a racial issue,” he said. “This is about adults preying on vulnerable young children.
“It just happens that in this particular area and time the demographics were that these were Asian men.”….”
But guess what? Here’s a GOOD Muslim man who is NOT AFRAID to call out the race hatred motivation of the Rochdale Pedos:
“…Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of of the Ramadhan Foundation, accused Pakistani community elders of “burying their heads in the sand” on the issue of on-street grooming.
“There is a significant problem for the British Pakistani community,” he said.
“There should be no silence in addressing the issue of race as this is central to the actions of these criminals.
“They think that white teenage girls are worthless and can be abused without a second thought; it is this sort of behaviour that is bringing shame on our community.”….”
^I applaud this good, decent Muslim man’s honesty and bravery in condemning the RACIST actions of evil men.
Another good, decent Muslim, the prosecutor in the case said:
“You can’t get away from the race element,” says prosecutor Nazir Afzal, a British Muslim with family roots in Pakistan who ended several years of official indifference to the girls’ plight and finally brought the perpetrators to trial. “It’s the elephant in the room.”
But still, officially the Rochdale Rapists are not officially acknowledged as racist, bigotted hate-criminals. It’s official BULLSHIT!
And you’re asking me to come up with official figures on hate crimes! You clearly have no idea about the UK!
@Sir Knobend – I wasn’t “doing a victory dance” or “co-opting” anything you utter fuckwit! People kept nit-picking and I gave you PROOF, that’s all. There’s no sense of triumph in trying to wake up you WILFULLY IGNORANT MORONS.
That feeling of nausea? It’s the cognitive dissonance between the FACTS and YOUR OWN PC RACIST BIGOTRY which will not allow you to see what is going on right in front of you.
@Anathema and Falconer – Once again, fuck off with your “codes” and “dog whistles” bullshit. The WHITE THUGS who murdered Steven Lawrence are thugs, because they committed an act of violent thuggery. The THUGS who tried to kill Olly Hemsley and left him PARALYSED are thugs too. It’s not fucking rocket science you RACIST BIGOT. THUGS are DEFINED by their BEHAVIOUR, which is VIOLENT. That’s all there is too it, you ignorant BIGOT.
@Kirbywarp – I’m calling people here RACISTS BECAUSE THEY ARE BIGOTS! MORON!
Exporting oppression overseas is not the same thing as ending oppression. There are feminists in every country in the world, many of whom are persecuted by governments supported by the West. If Westerners have womens’ rights here but Western governments and corporations help build prisons for feminists in Saudi Arabia, it kind of shows the limit of our commitment to freedom, don’t you think?
@Anathema and Kirbywarp – BULLSHIT! I NEVER SAID THAT YOU LYING RACIST FUCKBAGS!
I NEVER, EVER said “ALL” Muslims.
I specifically identified EXTREMIST, HOMOPHOBIC Muslims.
NAMALT! Not all Muslims are like that! In fact I reckon it’s only a minority of Muslims that are like that. I have NO PROBLEM with non-violent Muslims who leave other people alone and get on with their own lives peacefully.
You are so DESPERATE to weasel out of the FACT that you and your fellow BIGOTS are EXCUSING and SUPPORTING VIOLENT HOMOPHOBES to maintain your PC worldview, that you are trying to put LIES into my mouth! FUCK OFF LYING RACIST BIGOTS!
Says the man who comes here every day to defend Western rape apologists.
@Gametime – Yeah, you RACIST FUCKWIT you talked a whole lot of FUCKING BULLSHIT. You are a BIGOTED RACIST HOMOPHOBE and you are PANDERING to evil thugs who tried to MURDER a young gay lad and left him PARALYSED. You are actually defending these evil, violent fuckers! YOU ARE SCUM!
@Myoo – yeah, blather on about the Catholic Church in Europe forty years ago. I’m talking about VILOENT RACIST HOMOPHOBIC BASTARDS in the UK RIGHT NOW!
@Cloudiah – Yeah, there’s a LOT of anti-gay hatred in Eastern Europe right now, it’s fucking nasty and certainly the official oppression of gays in Russia has NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM.
But that’s NOT what’s happening in the UK right now.
Why not extremist, homophobic PEOPLE, full stop? Of course, that would include a large number of MRAs.
That’s why people can’t stand you. You throw an epic turd of stupidity in the punchbowl and refuse to engage.
And a lot of our trolls don’t read for shit, so don’t go around thinking that makes you special or anything.
@Cliff – NO. I’m not calling for people to “hate muslims”, that would be idiotic!
I’m calling for people to condemn violent hate crimes by extremist, fascist muslims – by calling those crimes what they are – which is: violent hate crimes by extremist bigots.
Instead, what the “manboobz massive” is doing is DEFENDING VIOLENT EXTREMIST BIGOTS. Which makes the manboobzers RACIST BIGOTS.
@Crazyladyblues – The Johan Hari article identifies the perpetrators as Muslim.
No, that’s not why I’m condemning the RACIST BIGOTS here on manboobz. I’m condemning them because their response to hearing the about the stabbing of Olly Hemsley by BIGOTED RACIST HOMOPHOBES was to IGNORE the VICTIM and DEFEND the VIOLENT THUGS WHO TRIED TO MURDER HIM (with, so far, just ONE exception).
That’s why I condemn the mass of BIGOTED RACISTS here at manboobz.
@Ugh – Fuck off ! You LYING RACIST BIGOT! MORON!
Hey Ruby, did you know that Communist Russia built a space station and sent probes to Mars, Venus and the Moon? Or that Communist China also has an experimental space station, and plans to launch a more permanent one next year?
Is “space station = cultural superiority!” really a good argument for a libertarian to be making?
This is from awhile back but pretty hilarious, from Ruby:
LOL! I challenge you to find a single country in the entire world that western states have “lived and let live” towards in the past century.
Joe, stomping around in full frontal caps lock rage and calling us bigots over and over doesn’t make it true, you know.
Joe, I see you’ve started this session with meltdown mode already started. Excellent. This will save you time later.
@Ugh – Also: you SMUG, SELF-SATISFIED, SELF-RIGHTEOUS LYING WANKER!
You just tried to equate an entire human rights movement with rape. You are a LYING BIGOTTED FUCKWIT!
@Joe
Haha yes it ihow terrible of me to say that a large number of MRAs are homophobic, that rubber was in fact mostly grown in the Congo under a violent Western regime, that smartphones are mostly made in China and Taiwan, and that Saudi Arabia’s prison system has links to Western governments and corporations.
It’s not like any of these things could be verified by a Google search or anything.
@Ug, yeah, we’ve been totally “live and let live” about Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, Central America… all sorts of places where we’ve just rolled up all chill and “keep on keepin’ on, brown people.”
@Joe
Haha no I equated a hate movement to rape apologists. Which they are. Find me an MRA site where they agree that people should not have sex until they’ve received noncoerced, non-manipulated enthusiastic consent, and then come back here to argue that they’re not apologists.
Which human rights movement would that be?
@Joe
Hell, find me a single MRA site where discussions of rape are about how rapists shouldn’t be rapists, and not about how women’s actions are responsible.
The First Joe:
Oh, so it only counts when YOU blather on about Muslims decades ago? Like you did here:
Joe is being very monotonous. Yawn.