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The Al Jazeera English show I’m appearing on starts in a few minutes [UPDATED: It’s over. Will post a YouTube link shortly]

The Al Jazeera English show I’m appearing on starts in about 10 minutes, at 3:30 PM

You can watch a live stream of the show (TheStream) on the Al Jazeera website here.

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drst
drst
9 years ago

Weatherby – Ouch.

I will resist the impulse to make a joke about vacuum-related penis injuries and sitting on chairs comfortably.

Sharculese
9 years ago

Anyone tempted to confuse hooers and hoovers might be well advised to read this.

there’s a couple of product defect cases involving this problem (spoiler alert: if you stick your dick in a vacuum cleaner, what happens is generally considered to be your own fault)

Guy Noir
Guy Noir
9 years ago

The episode is posted:

red_locker
9 years ago

Video is up, as Guy Noir pointed out.

Please don’t read the comments. Just focus on the video. Trust me.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
9 years ago

Why is it that when I see “don’t read the comments”, it actually gives me the urge to do the opposite? I have to force myself not to and hit up Google for some cat pictures instead.

red_locker
9 years ago

“Why is it that when I see “don’t read the comments”, it actually gives me the urge to do the opposite? I have to force myself not to and hit up Google for some cat pictures instead.”

Ahahaha! Happens with me, too, and I’m usually the one issuing the warning, amongst others.

But really, it seems to be the most divisive video yet so far, with tons of ugliness/backlash…which pretty much proves Al-Jazeera’s point. I swear, some people have anti-self awareness.

Guy Noir
Guy Noir
9 years ago

The show is about 25min, and there’s a 10min post show. David also appears in the post show (28:30).

whataboutthemoonz
9 years ago

NO self awareness.

Wetherby
Wetherby
9 years ago

Semi-self awareness.

Tom Martin
9 years ago

Synchronized paddling. How can 12 people talk for 35 minutes on sexism and misogyny without mentioning the importance of policing misandry also? Remember, misogynists are made, not born. Men on the recieving end of sexism become sexist – but EVERYONE on the show managed to avoid the issue. I wonder why?

What is a pure victim-feminist standpoint debate even doing on a news channel?

If women’s anonymous internet comments on men are anywhere near as sexist as women’s public comments on camera in vox pops about men, then in this context, the whole debate was in itself, a gross exercise in sexism against men by omission, as usual for feminism..

Just pointing out there are no male forums as they did, does not legitimize a female forum excluding a root cause of misogyny, misandry, from discussion.

Well done Helen Lewis for calling out the porn hysteric.

LSE’s Clare Hemmings (2011) thinks that feminism’s stories can never admit anyone other than women as the victims, and that some other movement would need to replace feminism.

I think feminists on the street can acknowledge their rejection of misandry for women’s discourse, even though academic, political and media feminists are pretending its impossible.

Perhaps its one reason why there aren’t many really big celebrity feminists whose names spring to mind these days. It’s impossible to invite them to speak too many times, because after a while, it just gets silly.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
9 years ago

Remember, misogynists are made, not born. Men on the recieving end of sexism become sexist – but EVERYONE on the show managed to avoid the issue. I wonder why?

Because only you and a few other clueless misogynistic dolts on the Internet take this stupid shit seriously.

the whole debate was in itself, a gross exercise in sexism against men by omission, as usual for feminism..

Feminism: sexist for not talking enough about victim-masculinism. Right.

Note to Owly: none of the above implied that Tom Martin can’t get a date. Clueless misogynistic dolts get dates all the time!

Tom Martin
9 years ago

As far as you’re concerned, TulgeyLogger, I’m taken.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
9 years ago

Well, at least I can exhale, now.

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Tommy is totally jealous. David’s got a full head of hair and was on TV.

cloudiah
9 years ago

How can 12 people talk for 35 minutes on sexism and misogyny without mentioning the importance of policing Ninja assassin unicorns also?

How can 12 people talk for 35 minutes on sexism and misogyny without mentioning the importance of policing golfing leprechauns also?

How can 12 people talk for 35 minutes on sexism and misogyny without mentioning the importance of policing Colombian wombat druglords also?

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
9 years ago

How can 12 people talk for 35 minutes on sexism and misogyny without mentioning the importance of policing Ninja assassin unicorns also?

How can 12 people talk for 35 minutes on sexism and misogyny without mentioning the importance of policing golfing leprechauns also?

How can 12 people talk for 35 minutes on sexism and misogyny without mentioning the importance of policing Colombian wombat druglords also?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

it means he’s not as wealthy, intelligent, or attractive as he would be if women werent all out to get him

A teacher once told him that nice haircuts, good personal hygiene, and attractive, well-fitting clothes are for girls, and men aren’t allowed to have them. That’s why he’s only semi-attractive now – it was the misandry, you see.

cloudiah
9 years ago

How can 12 people talk for 35 minutes on sexism and misogyny without mentioning the importance of policing magical horse-buffaloes also?

How can 12 people talk for 35 minutes on sexism and misogyny without mentioning the importance of policing Orc Bronies also?

How can 12 people talk for 35 minutes on sexism and misogyny without mentioning the importance of policing the extraterrestrial Olympics also?

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
9 years ago

For that matter, how can 12 people talk for 35 minutes on any subject without it degenerating into a knife fight?

scrapemind
9 years ago

Actual scholars already did that. They found that feminists were less likely to have hostile beliefs towards men.

http://intl-pwq.sagepub.com/content/33/2/216.abstract

Feminist are blank-slaters who believe that the male propensity for violence is caused by arbitrary socialization. Feminists wrongly believe that men are basically good.

Ugh
Ugh
9 years ago

Feminists wrongly believe that men are basically good.

I’mma just gonna leave that there.

Manboobz trolls: proudly fighting misandry by arguing that men are evil.

Tom Martin
9 years ago

Hellkell said,

Tommy is totally jealous. David’s got a full head of hair and was on TV.

Hellkell,

To be honest, I didn’t really notice his hairline. I was paying closer attention to what he would omit to say.

For a guy who spends all day in front of a computer monitoring men’s rights websites for misogynistic comments, he should be an expert on cogent men’s rights movement arguments on the interconnectedness of misogyny and misandry, and so whether he agrees with them or not, would be expected to mention that a sizeable body of MRM opinion which he monitors argues that considering misogyny in exclusion is a deeply sexist anachronism, perpetuating misogyny itself. Douchetrelle is not a reliable witness of his field of expertise though, rather the proprietor of a domain where the mean average commenter, calling herself morallyambivalent, phoots joke balls to and fro with her clone, to slow the consideration of misandry, on this place, but thinks it’s okay because she’s only joking, because, she thinks sexism is okay, and does not want to relinquish the sexism premium women have always enjoyed, and in despite of everyone else’s progress.

Ugh
Ugh
9 years ago

It’s super bizarre to explain to someone over the age of 5 that boys or girls are not all good or all bad because of their (sometimes assigned) genders.

It’s like, you wonder how they managed to learn capital letters and multiplication tables if they couldn’t grasp even more basic common sense.

Ugh
Ugh
9 years ago

I love how Tom Martin lost thirty grand in a frivlous lawsuit but can’t be bothered to condemn another anti-feminist who EXPLICITLY says that men are naturally bad.

Pretty much sums up Tom’s “activism,” doesn’t it?

Tom Martin
9 years ago

Big time.

captainbathrobe
captainbathrobe
9 years ago

@Scrapemind

Feminist are blank-slaters who believe that the male propensity for violence is caused by arbitrary socialization. Feminists wrongly believe that men are basically good.

So, feminists are wrong because they believe men are basically good? That’s the story you’re going with? That’s certainly…original.

Of course, if feminists think men are basically good, then they can’t be blank-slaters, can they? Maybe you need to go reread Steven Pinker, hmmm?

Ugh
Ugh
9 years ago

Also this:

and does not want to relinquish the sexism premium women have always enjoyed

would have been the most stupid thing I’ve read all week, if it wasn’t immediately preceded by scrapemind’s comment. Women have ALWAYS been the dominant sex? In the Middle Ages? That’s what you’re going with?

scrapemind
9 years ago

I didn’t say that men are all bad. You people are so enlightened and nuanced and yet you still don’t know the difference between generalizations and absolute statements.

skeptifem
9 years ago

am I missing the youtube link, or….?

indifferentsky
9 years ago

🙂 it’s a scroll up. It’s a good show I’m watching it now.

Shadow
Shadow
9 years ago

cogent men’s rights movement arguments

QF the lullzzz

indifferentsky
9 years ago

It’s also covering the floods going on here.
I’m ok in the province I’m in here. Every year when it pours for extended periods of time, I know that people are dying. I don’t watch television and didn’t hear what was going on in Manila but it’s not surprising. I know I can’t get down there to do immigration business, and my lawyer is missing. I’m going to have to get a ride over to his house and check on him. He’s in Manila a lot and has not been answering texts which is not like him.

drst
drst
9 years ago

For a guy who spends all day in front of a computer monitoring men’s rights websites for misogynistic comments, he should be an expert on cogent men’s rights movement arguments on the interconnectedness of misogyny and misandry,

If there were any cogent arguments in the MRM on anything, then yes, David would know them well.

drst
drst
9 years ago

Damn. Ninja’d by Shadow!

*shaky fist*

Ugh
Ugh
9 years ago

@scrape

This were your statements:

Feminist are blank-slaters who believe that the male propensity for violence is caused by arbitrary socialization. Feminists wrongly believe that men are basically good.

So, in your opinion, feminists are wrong to think that men are born as blank slates, neither good or bad. They are also wrong in thinking that men are basically good. Doesn’t leave a lot of options, does it?

I didn’t say that men are all bad. You people are so enlightened and nuanced and yet you still don’t know the difference between generalizations and absolute statements.

OH! You only mean it as a generalization, that men are mostly or generally bad. This is not actually less stupid.

Tom Martin
9 years ago

Yes Ugh. Good point. It’s important to police the people who think they’re on your side but are saying idiotic things. It appears that when it comes to my court case, you’re on the idiotic side, of misandrically describing it as ‘frivolous’. 130 people from 11 countries who donated money to the fighting fund didn’t think it was frivolous, nor quite a few journalists and commentators. I suggest you’re being disingenuous with your assessment of the validity of the principles lying at the core of my complaint. A lawyer who came forward to represent me for free did not think it was frivolous (the judge did not allow him to represent me in court).

What aspect of complaining about misandry being excluded from gender debates is frivolous?

Tom Martin
9 years ago

“If there were any cogent arguments in the MRM on anything, then yes, David would know them well.”

Exhibit Drst.

indifferentsky
9 years ago

Uh oh, they have Dines at the end. The panel kind of shot her down. I don’t mind her but I do find myself having to clarify her approach and sloppy presentations. I think that pornography is a part of this issue, but it’s got to be introduced into the subject so that it makes sense.

The irony of the woman coming on at the end after Dines was shot down and suggesting that rape jokes should not be allowed. I know they ran out of time, but disabling Dines perspective so quickly I would hope they applied the same critical thinking to whining about what a comedian is allowed to say. I think that cultural analysis can be drawn from what a comedian says, but this whole frame of “is this ok?” is odd and off putting. Can a comedian make really racist minority jokes? Yes, but it makes that person a racist, and hopefully people would disengage from that comedian.

Sharculese
9 years ago

130 people from 11 countries who donated money to the fighting fund didn’t think it was frivolous, nor quite a few journalists and commentators.

the courts, on the other hand, did, and well, theyre sort of the experts on this thing, not to mention the only ones whos opinion really matters

so yep, baldy, your lawsuit was in fact, frivolous. sorry.

scrapemind
9 years ago

You’ve got me. I was wrong not to distinguish between blank slate and basically good. I said basically good because my impression was that feminists mostly talk about socialization as something bad that feminism will abolish rather than something to make people better.

heidihi
heidihi
9 years ago

@scrapemind hey eff you for saying that about men. why do you hate men?

@tom martin why are you letting scrapemind slide on hating men?

skeptifem
9 years ago

shit i have a problem with embedded videos, they won’t play. is it on the manboobz channel or somewhere else? I’m really sorry to make people repost things.

indifferentsky
9 years ago

skeptifem, if you click on the vid it will open up on you tube. Click watch on you tube, click the you tube icon 🙂

scrapemind
9 years ago

In spite of the crime statistics, I love men.

Ugh
Ugh
9 years ago

I said basically good because my impression was that feminists mostly talk about socialization as something bad that feminism will abolish rather than something to make people better.

If your plan was to not sound stupid, you are failing spectacularly.

You can’t “abolish” socialization, because we LIVE IN A SOCIETY. Society will always affect everything we do. Many feminists feel we should be critical about the messages that social authorities send about gender roles. Like, for example. “men are bad and violent.” This is why studies show that feminists have fewer hostile beliefs about men than the general population.

Ugh
Ugh
9 years ago

@scrapemind

There are people who comment here who do seriously think that men are naturally violent and predatory. However, they’re all MRAs and anti-feminists, like owlyslave.

Ugh
Ugh
9 years ago

@Tom

And yet, the only person actually holding a law degree to publicly weigh in on your case tossed it out of his/her courtroom.

Tom Martin
9 years ago

Exhibit Sharculese.

captainbathrobe
captainbathrobe
9 years ago

Um, no, scrapemind, feminists talk about changing the way people are socialized. Socialization isn’t good or bad, it just is. You can be socialized to be sexist or socialized to be non-sexist. It’s really not that complicated.

scrapemind
9 years ago

But men are violent. Will men stop being violent if we pretend that they aren’t?