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The Al Jazeera English show I’m appearing on starts in a few minutes [UPDATED: It’s over. Will post a YouTube link shortly]

The Al Jazeera English show I’m appearing on starts in about 10 minutes, at 3:30 PM

You can watch a live stream of the show (TheStream) on the Al Jazeera website here.

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Sara
Sara
9 years ago

watching!

Cliff Pervocracy
9 years ago

Watching! Right now they’re running a story on how much the “fast from sunrise to sundown” of Ramadan sucks for Muslims in the far north.

…I never thought about that, but wow, ouch.

Cliff Pervocracy
9 years ago

Show’s on now, Tweets to hashtag #AJstream!

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Watching now!

Cliff Pervocracy
9 years ago

AND YOU’RE ON! 🙂

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

David, I am loving the cat paintings.

Alex
Alex
9 years ago

Love the cat pics in the background.

Snowy
Snowy
9 years ago

Cat pictures!

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
9 years ago

If David doesn’t get mobbed by kittens halfway through, i’ll be disappointed. Though I suspect he’s put them somewhere out of the way so that doesn’t happen. 😛

Hank
Hank
9 years ago

Productive discussion so far – this is a format I’ve not seen before.

Falconer
Falconer
9 years ago

Watching! Right now they’re running a story on how much the “fast from sunrise to sundown” of Ramadan sucks for Muslims in the far north.

…I never thought about that, but wow, ouch.

Surely they’d be able to work out some kind of permission for Muslims in that situation, at some point.

The word I want to use is “dispensation,” but that’s the wrong tradition….

Cliff Pervocracy
9 years ago

Falconer – They talked about doing it from whenever sunup and sundown are in Mecca, but they haven’t worked it out yet so right now they’re doing a 20-hour fast for the 20-hour day.

Falconer
Falconer
9 years ago

@Cliff — Thanks! I figured it was going to be something like that. I got to the interview too late. I’m sorry if I gave the impression I was trying to fix something perfectly obvious over the internet.

Thae86
Thae86
9 years ago

Watching too! Yay kitty pictures David 🙂 Great discussion so far.

Sara
Sara
9 years ago

David,

I think the same thing when I walk around and see men here and there wondering which ones are thinking like MRAs, etc. Love the cat pictures in the background!

eline
eline
9 years ago

I got confuzzled with the time zones and missed the first 15mins. Didn’t see David. Except maybe in the background screens.

Cliff Pervocracy
9 years ago

Interesting show, albeit not much I haven’t heard online a thousand times. I did like that they were very not willing to consider even the weakest variations of the “maybe the rapist sympathizers have a point” viewpoint.

I should watch more Al Jazeera. My family’s always sort of warned me away from it because they’re conservative Jews, but it’s interesting to see news presented from a very different viewpoint than the American options of “super beholden to the US gov” and “only very beholden to the US gov.”

aworldanonymous
9 years ago

I missed it…

nwoslave
9 years ago

I watched as well.

Misogyny is not only societal wide but world wide? The proof was words falling from a womans/feminists mouth. Is that it?

An all womans view of what’s wrong with the men in the world? Hmmmm, sounds fair.

Countless statements were given backed by nothing. More fairness.

Women were flawless according to women. The only time they weren’t flawless was when they didn’t herd properly. More equality, apparently.

Perhaps the reason why women are treated like they offer nothing but baseless yammerings in a henhouse, is because that’s all women, as a monolithic block are offering.

The only thing the show had going for was the host was hot. I know. I know. Misogyny. But really, what else does she offer? Her valued opinion parroting our media, schools and politicians? Just more clucking in the henhouse. I mean that is all any of those women, and, Dave as well has offered. What have any of them done? Raised awareness of poor womens oppression and men as oppressors. Is that it? Chalk that up with the ten million other articles and videos we see every day on the same poor pitiful me subject.

Maybe she should whinnie a bit more and some white knight will drop a 160K in her lap for hurt feelings.

Sharculese
9 years ago

I should watch more Al Jazeera. My family’s always sort of warned me away from it because they’re conservative Jews, but it’s interesting to see news presented from a very different viewpoint than the American options of “super beholden to the US gov” and “only very beholden to the US gov.”

the other nice thing about al-jazeera english is that unlike american cable networks, they employ actual journalists

Freitag
Freitag
9 years ago

Me too. 🙁

nwoslave
9 years ago

This would’a been a fine example of worldwide misogyny.

http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/2012/08/07/outrage-as-sparkhill-play-centre-bans-dads-97319-31566468/

I wonder if men will learn to hate women from stuff like this and everything else just like this out in the real world. My guess is they will. Perhaps the misogyny is justified after all?

Sara
Sara
9 years ago

Hey David,

I like the solution the professor put forth of collectively sending the message that misogyny is unacceptable by calling it out and shutting it down. NWO Slave’s comments about the hosts only value being her hotness and describing those women as clucking hens comes to mind as something that should not be tolerated. It’s also not terribly original…Do MRAs really think they are doing something new by regurgitating tired old sexist sentiments of how a group of women discussing issues can be nothing more than clucking hens? He sounds like my grandfather!

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
9 years ago

Women were flawless according to women. The only time they weren’t flawless was when they didn’t herd properly.

Come on Owly, these setences weren’t even separated by anything. You need to separate your contradictions a bit so we have to work to see them.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
9 years ago

..Imagine there’s an “n” in there, and that I don’t suck at checking spellings before I post.

Tom Martin
9 years ago

On misandry v misogyny:

Yep, in the experiment I conducted, in Central London’s Leicester Square, 62% of women replied with a misandric utterance about men, whilst 29% of men replied misogynistically about women.

I then took the same experiment to LSE’s campus, where zero percent of the elite male student passers by responded misogynistically about women, and 22% of elite female students responded misandrically about men.

So, it looks like a top university education teaches us to speak absolutely positively about women, but does not seem to encourage quite so much positivity about men.

Bare in mind that I, a male camera operator/interviewer, was asking the questions, so I would expect an even higher misandry level from the females when responding to a lone female camera operator/interviewer.

I did another experiment, also asking the Leicester Square passing females to pass comment on men, and asking their attitudes about what percentage of a first date a man should pay, and how many month’s salary a man should spend on an engagement ring, and found gold-diggers were on average 20% more misandric than non gold diggers (which isn’t surprising given gold-diggers’ lower average IQ).

Feminists used the least amount of misandry, with the exception of rare strident victim-feminists who talked of men as ‘the privileged sex’ for instance (an attitude which can and does justify misandry along with a host of other inequitable treatment).

I just got an email back from a professor in the fied of gender and humour who thinks my documentary experiment on whether gold-digging environments make women less funny is something experts do not know the answer to, so I will be focusing my attentions on producing this instead.

Any stand up feminists who are funny and would like to help me produce this, can email me:

sexismbusters@hotmail.com

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
9 years ago

You don’t need to post twice Tommy, we ignored you the first time.

nwoslave
9 years ago

@Sara
“NWO Slave’s comments about the hosts only value being her hotness and describing those women as clucking hens comes to mind as something that should not be tolerated.”

Why? That’s all she is. She is a clucking hen parrotting nothingness from the ruling party. Stating a fact isn’t misogyny. This is where you seem to get confused. A totalitarian regime is one where only one side is even allowed a voice. She clucked the party line, that’s all.

Anathema
Anathema
9 years ago

@ Tom Martin:

Cool story, bro.

scrapemind
9 years ago

Do MRAs really think they are doing something new by regurgitating tired old sexist sentiments of how a group of women discussing issues can be nothing more than clucking hens? He sounds like my grandfather!

Do feminists really think they are doing something true by rejecting everything that was said more than a decade ago?

Wetherby
Wetherby
9 years ago

Any stand up feminists who are funny and would like to help me produce this, can email me:

I fear that anyone with a sense of humour who gets involved with any of your projects is unlikely to be working with you in entirely good faith…

BlackBloc (@XBlackBlocX)

>>>>Do feminists really think they are doing something true by rejecting everything that was said more than a decade ago?

Almost certainly. #traditionfails

whataboutthemoonz
9 years ago

Yep, in the experiment I conducted, in Central London’s Leicester Square, 62% of women replied with a misandric utterance about men, whilst 29% of men replied misogynistically about women.

I then took the same experiment to LSE’s campus, where zero percent of the elite male student passers by responded misogynistically about women, and 22% of elite female students responded misandrically about men.

So how do you qualify whether a reply is “misandric” or “misogynistic” or neither?

nwoslave
9 years ago

@David Futrelle
“I thought the discussion went well, though as Cliff says it wasn’t anything we haven’t heard already.”

Ad naseum for the last 40 years at least. Victimology 101. By the way, Dave. The supposed systemic hatred of women seemed to be a few sentences online where, “a” woman felt slighted. Does that equal worldwide societal misogyny? Only to idiots.

Sara
Sara
9 years ago

Nwoslave,
I’ll give this a shot, but I’m not holding my breath:

“Misogyny is not only societal wide but world wide? The proof was words falling from a womans/feminists mouth. Is that it?”

It is world wide because of the global venue of the world wide web. The misogyny and harrassment online, therefore, is world wide.

“An all womans view of what’s wrong with the men in the world? Hmmmm, sounds fair.”

These were women AND men discussing what’s wrong with misogyny and harrassment online – NOT what’s wrong with men. You may recall the professor stating that often women can perpetuate sexism and can be the “gatekeepers”. You however, have glossed over their qualifications and just see them as women, nothing more.

“Countless statements were given backed by nothing. More fairness.
Women were flawless according to women. The only time they weren’t flawless was when they didn’t herd properly. More equality, apparently.”

How are you backing your statements? Where and when was it ever stated that women see each other as flawless?

“Perhaps the reason why women are treated like they offer nothing but baseless yammerings in a henhouse, is because that’s all women, as a monolithic block are offering.”

Um, your clucking henhouse, hot host, women offer nothing, and are whiners comments are actually all baseless yammerings and PROVES the very points that were made in this discussion.
Nice try, though!

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
9 years ago

Do feminists really think they are doing something true by rejecting everything that was said more than a decade ago?

Seeing as how feminist thought is centuries old, I don’t think you have an accurate picture of what we’re doing.

doctornic
9 years ago

A professor in the fied (sic) of gender and humour? That’s a whole field now? Seems legit.

indifferentsky
9 years ago

Test. I can’t figure out what time this has gone on, if I just now missed it, or this was hours ago, going to check and see what time WPress puts on my comment here. So I assume if it was eons ago there would be a YT link at this point.

I’m also disturbed by how NWO and TMartin can just drone on after being proved wrong. Same old same old. I mean “women are flawless”? LOL. How many times do we have to speak to that one? Who says this? How much time has passed and this dood is still at it? I was thinking that if these guys don’t believe what they say they are pretty brilliant, and I know others would argue and say no, fail troll. But I’m thinking of what it would take to come back and back and back and do this day after day, never breaking character. That’s pretty outstanding. I really can’t wrap my mind around what type of people these are irl.

And on another thread, Tom Martin said that we don’t challenge Futrelle, or something along those lines. We don’t criticize him. Well, I’ve got news. Neither does Tom. Where are his posts where he quotes part of a post and speaks to it directly? Him or NWO, they just get on here with weird straw feminist talking points completely oblivious to the OP. So, Tom waiting for some critique on what David writes from you, actually. (One the edge of my padded chair. I can actually sit like this for quite some time, so comfortable!)

Cliff Pervocracy
9 years ago

I really really REALLY want to hear verbatim quotes of the “misandrist” responses and know what questions he asked.

Sara
Sara
9 years ago

@scrapmind

“Do feminists really think they are doing something true by rejecting everything that was said more than a decade ago?”

Is this like “Who’s line is it anyway” where you have to answer a question with a question?

And I don’t know what you mean by “rejecting everything that was said more than a decade ago.”

indifferentsky
9 years ago

I think someone decades ago, maybe even a couple people said “Feminism BOO! FAIL NEXT!”

So what are we all doing here?

Sara
Sara
9 years ago

NWO:

“Why? That’s all she is. She is a clucking hen parrotting nothingness from the ruling party. Stating a fact isn’t misogyny. This is where you seem to get confused. A totalitarian regime is one where only one side is even allowed a voice. She clucked the party line, that’s all.”

You are not stating a fact, you are stating your opinion. Saying the host’s only value is her looks and then calling her a clucking parrott/hen, whatever is classic misogyny, abusive language, don’t hear any facts. This is where you seem to get confused…

Tom Martin
9 years ago

whataboutthemoonz said:

So how do you qualify whether a reply is “misandric” or “misogynistic” or neither?

I considered whether the comment is a negative statement about the other sex, or neutral/positive.

Women tended to say men were (in rough order):

Idiots, stupid, pigs, a pain, necessary, wonderful, smelly, great, weird, animals, dogs, clever, interesting, funny…

Men tended to say women were (in rough order):

Beautiful, hot, wonderful, nice, gorgeous, kind, crazy, bitches, whores, cunts.

Not a single man said women were intelligent, interesting, or funny.

Girls were a lot more sexist about boys than boys about girls, but the sample was too small:

Weird, smelly, idiots the favourite answers, where as boys said girls were, nice etc.

It seems to be particularly hip for girls to call boys ‘weird’ at the moment.

Part of the reason I don’t want to edit it all, is the lack of humour in the answers. The closest they got to a laugh, is where I asked a couple, starting with the woman on the left:

“Men are… ?” She quick as a flash replied “… a pain.” And to her boyfriend I asked “Women are… ?” and even quicker he replied “… even more of a pain.”

Females don’t appear to have an internal alarm bell, they just blurt it out.

ostara321
ostara321
9 years ago

Sara, the only “facts” NWO accepts are his own inane babblings. Citations are misandry.

Kyrie
Kyrie
9 years ago

Until we get the tape or at least the precise methodology, here is how I will assume it happens:

Tom:
– Hey, wh*re, do think men are worthless?
RandomWoman72261:
– Fuck off creep. *she goes away*
Tom:
– I’ll take that as a yes. One more misandrist
Tom:
– Sorry to bother you sir, I would like to know if you think non-prostitute women can have a sense of humor?
RandomMan156186:
*confused* – What are you talking about? Of course women can make or laugh at jokes. You’re weird dude.
Tom:
– And do you think women are worthless?
RandomMan156186:
– What the fuck? Of course not. I have a wife and a daughter and I love them both.

Kyrie
Kyrie
9 years ago

I missed the show because I had a dinner, so I’ll watch it tomorrow is there is a video.

Shadow
Shadow
9 years ago

My favorite part about Owly’s “Women are flawless” shtick is that he was here just a day or two ago defending that other christian troll from us. Dude has a mind like a sieve

Tom Martin
9 years ago

Wetherby said:

I fear that any [feminist stand up] with a sense of humour who gets involved with any of your [documentary] projects is unlikely to be working with you in entirely good faith…

That’s up to them, Wetherby.

The important thing is, first and foremost, that they’re funny and want to do it.

Secondly, misandric jokes are easier to think of than non misandric jokes on gender issues, as with misogynistic humour being easier than non misogynistic – but they are cheap, easy laughs – and it will ultimately be about finding humour on gender in non-sexist ways.

Sexist humour is incidentally the way that prejudice is transmitted (so sexist jokes in particular are the problem):

http://psp.sagepub.com/content/26/9/1094.short

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