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Men may not be from Mars, but A Voice for Men wants them to get all the credit for that Mars landing

It’s a proud day for the dudes over at A Voice for Men, which is celebrating the landing of the Curiousity rover on Mars by giving dudes everywhere serious dude credit for the event, which apparently involved no women at all. Well, maybe a few. But it certainly didn’t involve any of the women in the women’s studies department at Columbia University!

Actually it would be rather difficult for that to be the case. Impossible, really, as there is no women’s studies department at Columbia. Instead, Columbia has an Institute for Research on Women and Gender, an interdisciplinary center that works in cooperation with the Barnard College Women’s Studies department.

In any case, that once sentence is the entire text of the post, which linked to a live feed of the landing.

But to make sure everyone understands the MAN-significance of this MAN-vent, the AVFM dudes promoted it with this MAN-tastic blurb on the front page. (I mean the blurb on the right, of course, celebrating MEN and their UTTER MASTERYof technology. Just ignore that bit on the left about the technical glitches that AVFM has itself been having lately.)

The comments are more or less what we’ve come to expect from the AVFM crowd. I especially liked these two, from a manly fellow calling himself ActaNonVerba.

 

His followup is a bit Anthony Zarat-esque in its utopian grandeur:

 

 

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ithiliana
ithiliana
9 years ago

Because nothing speeds up the rate of evolution better than . . . . . loss of the reproductive drive?

Science. I think he does not understand it.

And if the manly troll dudes get to claim that things have gotten worse since women’s suffrage and greater access to education, I get to claim that the increased development of science and technology and such is due in part to women’s suffrage and greater access to education!

*sticks tongue out at asshole CREEPY CRAWLY dudes*

Cliff Pervocracy
9 years ago

Step 1: Systematically exclude women from military aviation.
Step 2: Systematically exclude women from STEM education.
Step 3: Draw NASA leadership from individuals with military aviation and STEM careers going back to the 1960s.
Step 4: Wonder why there are so few women, decide they must just not have the Right Stuff.
Step 5: Belatedly start including women in the 1990s.
Step 6: Declare that since women weren’t there all along and it took a deliberate decision to include them, they still must not have the Right Stuff.
Step 7: As achievements of NASA women become increasingly difficult to ignore or explain away, stick head in sand and start chanting “MISANDRY!”

justaloser
justaloser
9 years ago

There you go again, another bullshit article from a failed writer that only looks at one side of the debate. Then stupid people with no judgment or critical thinking will come here and say that they agree. Loser here loser for ever

Cliff Pervocracy
9 years ago

Are women people capable of accomplishing things? LET’S LOOK AT BOTH SIDES OF THE DEBATE!

Falconer
Falconer
9 years ago

AVfM? Wait a minute, gotta put my emerald-tinted glasses on.

Aaaaahhhh, that’s better. Wow, the Emerald City really is green, isn’t it?

heidihi
heidihi
9 years ago

“There were a handful of women….in any case, it was an achievement BY MEN.”

He’s already explained away an unspecified number of the women shown as being ‘camera wh*res’ (??), or ‘human resources’ workers (‘res-wh*reses?’) (because that job is not necessary? i guess?) but what about the other women seen who did not fall under those categories? How do we explain away those women so that the achievement was BY MEN, as it were? Some options:

1. Those women were swamp gas.
2. Those women were a mirage.
3. Mass hysteria.
4. Manginas.

Any other ideas?

Falconer
Falconer
9 years ago

Are women people capable of accomplishing things? LET’S LOOK AT BOTH SIDES OF THE DEBATE!

Teach the controversy!

Cliff Pervocracy
9 years ago

Heidihi – 5. Affirmative action.

Never mind that a woman would still have to be an engineer/astronomer/etc. in the top of her field for NASA affirmative action to apply to her. Everyone knows that “affirmative action” means “hire any random woman right off the street.”

heidihi
heidihi
9 years ago

@Cliff, indeed, i was a womyn taking a dump and got given a plaque then asked to join NASA, so, it can totally happen.

I hate how dumb people sound when they carp about affirmative action because it’s like, wow, you became a rocket surgeon at the top of your class AND you did it with one hand tied behind your back??? It’s like, don’t we want exactly those people operating on our mars rovers?

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@Justaloser:

There you go again, another bullshit article from a failed writer that only looks at one side of the debate. Then stupid people with no judgment or critical thinking will come here and say that they agree. Loser here loser for ever

You know, you’re right! I’m tired of David only showing us one side of the argument. We need both sides to balance out the discussion.

David, find some people who talk about all the great things women have done in the science fields to balance out the one-sided nature of the quotes you present. That way people can make up their own minds!

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

ActaNonVerba posts on AVfM, I guess he knows all about the petty and mundane.

darksidecat
9 years ago

oh, no, there’s a hellbeast cluttering up the team http://a.abcnews.com/images/Technology/gty_mars_curiosity_mitc_3_dm_120806_wg.jpg more than one even http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02300/mars-curiosity-nas_2300836b.jpg what are these http://www2.journalnow.com/mgmedia/image/0/354/201008/mars/ and, look, behind that camera, yet another http://blogs.cfr.org/renewing-america/files/2012/08/Renewing-America-NASA-Curiosity-Mars-Landing-201208061.jpg

found in less than one minute on google images searching for ‘mars curiosity landing’

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@darksidecat:

All of those women are exceptions that prove the rule. All. Of. Them.

Sharculese
9 years ago

There you go again, another bullshit article from a failed writer that only looks at one side of the debate. Then stupid people with no judgment or critical thinking will come here and say that they agree. Loser here loser for ever

quoting mras= not presenting their side of the debate

that makes just tons of sense

Sharculese
9 years ago

dang ninja’d by kirby

Dani Alexis
Dani Alexis
9 years ago

Ungrateful ladies! We hunted the Martian mammoth for you!

darksidecat
9 years ago

Also, the jet propulsion laboratory group includes men with such common masculine names as ‘Joy’ and ‘Grace’. http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/mission/missionteam/

Cliff Pervocracy
9 years ago

DSC – Well, clearly they just made sure to put women in front of the camera because of their female supremacist ideology… never mind the dozens of men in those photographs.

Falconer
Falconer
9 years ago

HOW TO IDENTIFY ALLEGED SIGHTINGS

1. Those women were swamp gas.
2. Those women were a mirage.
3. Mass hysteria.
4. Manginas.

WHAT TO DO WHEN A WOMAN APPEARS

ONE

Drop under the seat of your desk and look away

TWO

Avoid eye contact.

THREE

If there are no eyes, avoid all contact.

Content Note: contains the line “How to inform your wife, and others under your command,” dismissal of concerns as insanity

Shadow
Shadow
9 years ago

What I don’t understand is, why aren’t you women genuflecting to me in thanks for making this possible? Goddamn m-feminists!!

Falconer
Falconer
9 years ago

Ungrateful ladies! We hunted the Martian mammoth for you!

It had eight legs and tusks out to here!

The least you could do is parade around naked for us!

RubyHypatia
RubyHypatia
9 years ago

Women aren’t going to be allowed to work at NASA unless they’re well qualified so it’s ridiculous to minimize their contributions while playing up the contributions of the men. Also, those men wouldn’t be able to acheive those accomplishments had a woman not given them birth, cared for them, and ensured they got a good education.

Maybe the MRAs were breastfed by their fathers.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
9 years ago

Clearly the real question here isn’t about the women in the pictures, but how they managed to keep the alien helpers out of them. I suspect photoshopping.

*Goes to look for suspicious pixels*

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
9 years ago

It’s fucking hilarious to hear Elam criticize people for being ineffectual. How’s that anti-feminist doomsday plot of yours goin’, Paul?

Cliff Pervocracy
9 years ago

For that matter, how’s that plan to have an MRA meetup, anywhere, ever goin’, Paul?

:p

Sharculese
9 years ago

@cliff

For that matter, how’s that plan to have an MRA meetup, anywhere, ever goin’, Paul?

have you noticed they keep re-running the same piece from months ago on the artistry against misandry event, without any indication that it’s moved forward in any way

Cliff Pervocracy
9 years ago

Sharculese – They also announced a “ZetaCamp” that was planned for this July, never announced a cancellation, and yet there’s no after-action report or any mention of it after May.

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

What I don’t understand is, why aren’t you women genuflecting to me in thanks for making this possible? Goddamn m-feminists!!

A thousand pardons. I was too busy with the witchcraft and lesbianism.

RubyHypatia
RubyHypatia
9 years ago
kladle
kladle
9 years ago

I thought women were inferior and had no drive for ambition because they weren’t competing amongst themselves for the ladies and just sat around on their pedestals waiting for a man to take care of them. Now I’ve learned the truth: women aren’t just useless but are apparently actively conspiring to hold men back from being technological ubermensches. Thanks for giving me that red pill, ActaNonVerba.

Myoo
Myoo
9 years ago

Oh, so you feminists think men are just drooling cavemen who can’t control themselves, huh? You think you “womyn” are just sooo special that you can make intelligent MEN act as if they’re horny teenagers, huh? You’re such MISANDRISTS!!!!

(Huh, what’s that? Really, that can’t be right, can it? They’re feminists, they’re the bad ones! Oh, fine!)

Ok, so I have just been informed that it is the MRAs saying those things, but you’re still evil. Because MISANDRY!!!!

blitzgal
9 years ago

Pauline Hwang, Deputy Integrated Planning & Execution Team Chief

Erisa Hines, Attitude Control System Engineer

Ann Devereaux, EDL Flight System Engineer

Kelly Clarke, Deputy Realtime Operations Team Chief/GDS Engineer

Leslie Livesay, Director for the Engineering and Science Directorate

Nagin Cox, Assistant Flight System System Engineering Manager

Hm, not one human resources in the bunch.

What a sad, pathetic existence ActaNonVerba leads. The mere sight of a woman — any woman — leaves him scrambling for ways to diminish or denigrate her. His entire existence is filled with hate and impotent rage. Sad, sad little man. You’re a creep.

pimpleybum
pimpleybum
9 years ago

I love how men are credited with every achievement but none of the bad.

Were woman responsible for the Rwanda genocide, the massacres in Yugoslavia, the rape of Nanking? No, that was men, own that as well guys.

Cliff Pervocracy
9 years ago

Y’know, I’m sure Neil Armstrong is a great guy and all, but let’s not forget all the affirmative action that put him on the moon.

I mean, he was an astronaut at a time when the quota for male astronaut hiring was, er, 100%.

Pam
Pam
9 years ago

Were woman responsible for the Rwanda genocide, the massacres in Yugoslavia, the rape of Nanking? No, that was men, own that as well guys.

Oh, I’m sure they’d find some way of blaming women for all the bad things.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
9 years ago

So I totally went on Google to see if anyone had started talking Curiousity conspiracy theories.. I wasn’t disappointed.

Highlight: Someone who thought that Google putting the rover in the background of one of their Olympic doodles was part of the plot to prepare us for contact with aliens.

chibigodzilla
chibigodzilla
9 years ago

How many are camera ****** who really work in public relations or human resources or some other non-related nonsense?

Short answer: Zero

Long answer: The people in the room during the landing are not the entire team (they work in shifts). No, the people in the room are the most qualified engineers on the project. Because when you’re using a hovering crane to lower a $2.6 billion rover on another planet and something goes wrong you want the most qualified engineers making adjustments and you don’t give a shit what kind of genitals they have(not that there’s much they could do at that point what with the communications taking 7 minutes each direction and the descent only taking 7 minutes total).

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@Pam:

They already have. Wars are started and men fight and kill each other because women are cheering them on, or the men are trying to fight a war to get with women, or something.

“Behind every great man is a woman pulling the strings.” This may or may not actually be a quote.

Cliff Pervocracy
9 years ago

So the women are all either PR or HR? Well, they’re obviously not HR, there’s no way HR would be allowed to hang out in the control room. That leaves PR.

Hey, NASA publishes a list of their PR officers! Fancy that!
http://science.nasa.gov/about-us/public-affairs-points-of-contact/

And the PR officer covering Mars exploration is named… Guy Webster.

ooops.

Cliff Pervocracy
9 years ago

David, it hardly matters. If the PR officer were a woman, it would prove she’d been put in a useless talking-head position for PC reasons. But since he’s a man, it proves women aren’t competent to take the job.

One way that MRAs are like NASA: they have contingency plans for everything.

Sharculese
9 years ago

Were woman responsible for the Rwanda genocide, the massacres in Yugoslavia, the rape of Nanking? No, that was men, own that as well guys.

actually, yes, owlslave has previously stated that because one mouthpiece for the rwandan government was a woman, women are responsible for the genocide

Cliff Pervocracy
9 years ago

…Now I’m just thinking how Guy Webster probably hasn’t slept in two weeks, and I’m not sure if what I’m feeling is pity or envy.

…It’s envy.

nwoslave
9 years ago

Don’t get your knickers in a bunch ladies. According to the latest feminist research, a mans brain is a damaged womans brain. Why its all the rage in the feminist community. Hell, they teach in our colleges. Oh? Was it love you wanted in return? Well, ya know. Men are bad. Isn’t that where, Dave is going today? I’ll bet that won’t be in his little hate screed.

Apparently over on Skepchick and other feminist sites it’s called, “punching up.” Because all men are privileged. Ya know up. So now it’s official. It’s acceptable to ridicule men.

Feminist theory says men are privileged.
Feminist theory says men are oppressors.
Since women don’t lie it must be true.
It’s always OK to ridicule the oppressors.
Women have carte blance to ridicule men.
And it’s always good.
Wow! Feminist theory does work!

bekabot
bekabot
9 years ago

Oh, well, maybe women really don’t have the right stuff. I’m a half century old and I’ve failed to stop history in its tracks thus far, so I’m not in much of a position to argue. But you know, Mr. Verba doesn’t have to wait for the country to be divided in half by legislative fiat. (Incidentally, that sounds kind of big-governmenty to me.) He can found his all-male colony where men are free to be true to their inmost awesomeness at any time he pleases, after which he can revel in his liberty while writing a few symphonies and founding some new branches of physics. Oh, wait. Guys like him often live in close-to-totally male environments anyway (I can easily picture this being the case with Mr. Verba) and if that’s so, then in effect, he already enjoys the scope and range he longs for. Supposing this to be the right view of matter, then where, may I ask, are the proofs of awesomeness which Mr. Verba, theoretically, is willing/able to donate to a dazzled planet? Where are the symphonies and where’s the antigravity drive? (I ask because, as a woman, I’m eager to find a frivolous use for anything Mr. Verba may choose to invent. Just think, for instance, how cool it would be to be able to buy a real floaty pen.)

Howard Bannister
9 years ago

Favorite thing ever: justaloser drops by to tell us how this article is so, so, so SO one-sided!

And then mentions that if you’re a loser here, you’re a loser forever.

But he’s the one with a screen name of loser.

………woooooooow…..

Shaenon
9 years ago

This morning I took a dump that should get me to Neptune at least.

Now where’s my plaque?

Sharculese
9 years ago

@howard

it’s sort of like the dudes who dont get who the sites name refers to and are like ‘you, youre the boobz’

whataboutthemoonz
9 years ago

One way that MRAs are like NASA: they have contingency plans for everything.

ALIENS!

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