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F*ck funnels, raw dogs, and garbage receptacles: Roosh on Romance

So, yeah, I’ve been reading some more Roosh.

Just a little FYI. It’s probably not a good idea to take dating advice from a dude who writes shit like this:

Your fuck funnel is the series of steps you take from the approach all the way to sex. Most girls will drop out as they go through your funnel by losing interest, declaring they have a boyfriend, flaking out, throwing up, or a multitude of other reasons that prevent sex. This means that for ever one girl you fuck, you have to approach a lot of girls. This is the basic law of averages, where no man fucks every girl he interacts with (even serial rapists have a failure rate).

Or this:

The best sex I’ve had was from mediocre girls who let me treat their bodies like garbage receptacles.

Or this:

I could probably have raw dog sex with 95% of all white girls, regardless of socioeconomic background. I only have met one girl that was super serious about using condoms, but I eventually fucked her without a condom too, so actually I change that to 100%. I could bang every white girl who lives in the United States without a condom if I desired, within three dates. I’m not kidding. I could do most of them raw dog on the same night. Here’s how to do it. ….

At this point our intrepid dating guru explains his clever Assange-esque (allegedly) method for convincing women to have sex with him sans condom, which involves repeatedly sticking his condomless penis into his dates until they stop resisting.

Note: He followed this post with another one about how terrified he was that he might have contracted HIV.

Oh, Roosh, is it entirely by coincidence that your name rhymes with “douche?”

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hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Oh, stop trying to defend it, Eurosabra. You’re a dude who likes to use “mild gaslighting.”

Fuck off.

red_locker
8 years ago

You know…if PUA was such a great thing, if it were such a cure for…whatever the fuck kind of issue Eurosabra has, one would think that it wouldn’t require so much defense. I mean, yeah, it takes time for a lot of ideas to flourish, like Feminism and Civil Rights for instance, except those are based on actual problems. PUA is based on utter distortion.

Then again, given the state of human society today, along with history, being based on distortion hasn’t gotten in the way of some things. *sigh*

Eurosabra
Eurosabra
8 years ago

No soap. He wanted to be messianic in tone.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
8 years ago

As I’ve said many times before: PUA is what happens when a group of guys who have no idea what a relationship is try to recreate one through mimicry in the hopes of getting laid.

Game is not a set training wheels, it’s removing your tires and replacing them with square blocks. Sure, it’s easier to keep yourself upright, and some PUAs are able to move themselves. But they’ve made the thing thousands of times harder than it needs to be because they can’t be arsed to figure out how to be friendly with people.

Game is delusional, very rapey, and ultimately is a crutch preventing guys from learning how to actually connect with another human being.

eline
eline
8 years ago
Reply to  red_locker

Women talk to each other (and to male friends too). Social circles can be surprisingly small. And you don’t always need to know someone to hear about these things.

I recall a few years back there was this guy hitting on me at this bar. Back then I’d heard of PUA offhand, didn’t know too much of the idea. But looking back, I can imagine this guy had done some reading. He wasn’t my type at all, but when I’m tipsy and having a good time I’m more than happy to chat with anyone who wants to chat as long as they’re not coming on to my skin or too direct verbally (a little flirt is fine). And this guy wasn’t, he was quite pleasant. He went to the toilets and a girl I’d not seen before came to me and told me I was being chat up by a serial abuser. She’d been his victim, according to her words half a year ago. I don’t know the truth of what happened nor do I need to (apparently the abuse did not fill criminal definition, or the girl didn’t feel it did). I wasn’t going to leave with him (and never indicated interest beyond chatting), but I appreciate the gesture. If I had been interested and wanted to I could have set up a date for a later time to take a better look at the guy, see if he was an abuser for real or not, as far as such vetting can be done anyway. But it feels good to think random strangers look out for each other with all these assumed PUAs roaming out there looking for ladies to trick, and worse. It doesn’t have to be more than a few words of warning to hinder the lies.

ozymandias42
8 years ago

See, *some* PUA is probably just learning how to flirt with ladies at bars. Why you would devote lots of time to that I have no idea, but then most of the people I know who get laid a lot have rough rules of thumb about flirting with people of the sort they tend to like*, so I’m inclined to consider that morally neutral. The problem is that PUA gurus don’t care about morality, they just care about getting laid. And, in the short term, predatory, abusive, and rapey tactics will get you more sex and girlfriends than ethical tactics. The predatory, abusive, and rapey tactics are what we object to.

Well, that, and the assumption that what turns on ladies at bars is what turns on everyone.

*For instance, one of mine is “always listen and pay attention when they discuss the D&D game”

Myoo
Myoo
8 years ago

Again, it’s not sneering, it’s a cobbled-together solution to a local subcultural/sociolect issue, treated as prescriptive for all humanity for all time because that’s what sells. For men whose initial issue was their lack of masculine self-presentation/lack of confidence, it can be useful training wheels.

So, it’s a scam, is what you’re saying.

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

I’m always creeped out by how… morally neutral Eurosabra is about these guys. He’s all “yeah, they call women garbage and give rape advice, that’s just their thing” in the tone you’d use if your favorite blogger made a lot of typos.

I’d almost rather he defended it than seem utterly unmoved by the fact that these guys are giving advice on how to dehumanize and assault another human being.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Does Eurosabra have some sort of application set up to detect mentions of PUA on this blog and alert him, or does he just read all the comments looking for opportunities to expound on his PUA theories?

In either case, I see that he’s back to claiming that rapey PUA is women’s fault and a result of women as a group not preferring short, ugly, socially inept men. If 22 year old lingerie models won’t date you then obviously the only rational response is to first try to gaslight them, then rape them if that doesn’t work. There are no other options available, other than being a “eunuch”.

Eurosabra
Eurosabra
8 years ago

I’m a bit burned out on the moral outrage, because I have no standing/leverage on anyone predatory and I got tired of banging my head against a wall trying to get someone to care. No one has anything on Roosh except the Latvian police, who found that Dariush Valizadeh had overstayed his visa, and that no crime had been committed.

Eurosabra
Eurosabra
8 years ago

I didn’t think Jlaix would be pro-rape in the Real Social Dynamics forum, but I knew he was an extreme case and plenty of people at Clarisse Thorn’s blog noticed and condemned him. But yeah, I don’t see alternatives to incel or being pushy, unless you like 30 rejections of varying levels of rudeness each night in the club. I suspect this is a failure of imagination on my part, but the sea is the same sea, even if the women are different each night.

BlackBloc (@XBlackBlocX)

>>>I don’t see alternatives to incel or being pushy

Therapy mb?

pecunium
8 years ago

I didn’t think Jlaix would be pro-rape in the Real Social Dynamics forum, but I knew he was an extreme case and plenty of people at Clarisse Thorn’s blog noticed and condemned him. But yeah, I don’t see alternatives to incel or being pushy, unless you like 30 rejections of varying levels of rudeness each night in the club.

Right…. so if you are honest you expect to get lots of rejections, i.e. 30 women in a night will tell you, when you approach, tha they don’t want you.

You then argue that PUA tactics get around that. So either it’s a cobbled-together solution to a local subcultural/sociolect issue, treated as prescriptive for all humanity for all time because that’s what sells. For men whose initial issue was their lack of masculine self-presentation/lack of confidence, it can be useful training wheels.

Is bullshit (because you should be past it), and it’s not able to do what you say, or… it’s manipulative crap which pressures women into sex they didn’t really want.

And… you think “mild gaslighting” is ok, and you say you’ve given up on the manipulation.

As I said, if I wanted to have a sense of failure, I’d look to PUA as a method to get laid. Since I don’t, when I’m looking for sex, qua sex, I go to places there are women, and treat them as people. It may not happen that night, but it will happen.

And I don’t get the sense that I am loathed and hated, because I’m not pushing where I’m not actually wanted.

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
8 years ago

Aww. Poor Euro! What a tragedy that its so much easier for you to be an asshole than to change the very serious character defects that will always get you pegged for being an asshole!

And in other news…women don’t get laid as often as they’d like either. Or they don’t get laid by men like Captain Jack. Somehow, that’s never been an excuse for treating men like shit.

Ithiliana
8 years ago

Just out of morbid curiosity: Does PUA imply ONLYplaying in club/bar scenes? (That’s all EuroTroll seems to talk about).

Because……that seems an awful limited way to make connections with people (although I suppose if your only goal is sex then and there, going to a crowded place where most people don’t know each other and there is alcohol and other system altering substances being circulated makes sense).

Depressing sense, given the correlation between alcohol consumption and rape, but sense.

katz
8 years ago

But yeah, I don’t see alternatives to incel or being pushy, unless you like 30 rejections of varying levels of rudeness each night in the club.

…Get to know people before asking to have sex with them? Hang out somewhere other than a club?

Cervantes
Cervantes
8 years ago

“You’re big problem is that your argument is shit. Saying that lots of people share Roosh’s viewpoint doesn’t make it right. Lots of people think that immigrants are shiftless, and stealing jobs from “real americans”. It’s not true, and lots of people being wrong together is just that, being wrong together.

Sixty million Frenchmen can be wrong. ”

I don’t know where you came up with that straw man. Your counterargument does not address my post. I could equally apply it to the entire Manboobz site.

“He says he pressures women to do things they told him they didn’t want to do. That’s the problem. It’s not that he has one night stands, it’s that he takes advantage of them. It’s that he says taking advantage of people is moral.”

I’d really like you to find exactly where he says that he takes advantage of people.

The big point that Roosh regularly makes is that if any man has ever had illusions about the supposed purity of women, he can regularly cast them aside, as they’re generally dirtier and sluttier than even cynical men would suspect. I know this, since I’m regularly buggering married women. Why would I ever get married if I knew it was that easy to have sex with a married woman?

If you can equally agree that there’s a large population of women that have no hangups about one-night stands, then why would Roosh bother “raping” women who weren’t willing? Are you guys that desperate to find a villain to justify yourselves?

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
8 years ago

Cervante, by his own addmission sex really isn’t doing anything for him. Its the part where he manipulates abuses or rapes women that’s getting him off.

As you well know, sex with women is not difficult to achieve. That’s not what Roosh wants. He uses sex as a way to get close enough to a partner to really do physical or psychological damage.

Eurosabra
Eurosabra
8 years ago

Mostly it’s the questionable Cubicle Job, the hyper-vigilance, and the 22 year-old lingerie models that are the problem. Therapy isn’t really the solution to being one of capitalism’s losers. Also, I sometimes don’t reciprocate when I am faced with genuine interest in me as a person, because it seems so uninspiring compared to being wanted sexually, which is the drug I am seeking. (Rare because visible disability, low socio-economic status, ethnic looks.) Also, generally DO NOT like a situation I can’t control. However, there is a bit of club jiujitsu involved when a silent woman tells you to go away with just 1 finger, which I find hilarious. (Two fingers if British.)

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
8 years ago

Wait wut? You turn down women who are interested in you because they don’t look like they want to fuck you RIGHT THIS minute?

Everyone has their standards I suppose.

Gee, I don’t know why women would be hyper vigilant when there are gaslighting assholes like you around….

Eurosabra
Eurosabra
8 years ago

It’s really, really rare. So genuine friendliness throws me for a loop. It’s like a reset button for the PUA brain. Also, the adrenaline rush from my last rude rejection is generally lingering when it happens. It never takes the form of “turning a woman down”, most women aren’t that explicit in showing interest, rather, it’s that I stop and stare because I didn’t anticipate being questioned about a common interest by someone with genuine interest in the answer.

Dracula
Dracula
8 years ago

So you hate yourself and get off on rejection. And the idea of women sharing common interests with you is something you’re barely capable of comprehending.

These two things right here? These are the actual problem. These are things a therapist could help you with.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Eurosabra, since you cannot see my finger through this medium, and hale and hearty “fuck you” in your general direction will have to do. I’m sorry you hate yourself, but goddamn you are gross.

Eurosabra
Eurosabra
8 years ago

I think it’s possible to be genuinely physically unattractive to the mainstream, while equipped with bonus depression and to find having to sell yourself to 300, 400, 500 women for ONE positive response totally alienating from normal human experience, to the point where learning to play-act normal masculinity might change that positive response rate to 1 in 50. And yes, common interests are nice but aren’t something sexual unless they are BDSM (say.) But I’m willing to call it a problem of subcultures and sociolects rather than “Women are X.”

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Oh, boo-hoo. Don’t forget the “mild gaslighting.”

Dracula
Dracula
8 years ago

But I’m willing to call it a problem of subcultures and sociolects rather than “Women are X.”

Which makes shit worth of difference if you’re not willing to admit that any part of the problem is YOU and your unresolved personal issues.

Dracula
Dracula
8 years ago

Seriously Eurosabra, you are not going to bullshit us into accepting that everyone but you is responsible for your problems.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Why do you keep coming here, Eurosabra? You know we think you’re a despicable human being, and it’s not like you’re going to win us over to your point of view. Disclosure of more and more details leads to less sympathy from us, rather than more, so why keep coming back with more nauseating tales of fake woe? I guess you really do get off on rejection and hostility.

You should talk to a professional about that. One who’s being paid to listen to you.

Eurosabra
Eurosabra
8 years ago

Well, you want to tar all PUAs as rapists. I’m here so an oppositional voice who isn’t an abuser is archived with your site forever, whenever and by whomever it gets crawled and archived. And I like Cliff’s continual insistence that treating women like human beings is some kind of magic, it amuses me, because for shy men that’s a necessary but not sufficient first step, and PUA is the only 18-step program for that sort of issue. Quite simply: you are wrong.

Dracula
Dracula
8 years ago

…an oppositional voice who isn’t an abuser…

…mild gaslighting…

Credibility, you don’t have it.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

You are an abuser, Eurosabra. You just won’t admit it.

fembot
8 years ago

@Eurosabra

I don’t think we are trying to say that all PUAs are rapists. But Roosh is a despicable person. And while he may not be a classic rapist in your eyes, he has definitely pushed women to do things they don’t want to do. I have been reading his blog for a very long time, as well as following his forum, and I know what kind of creep he is. He really has no respect for (American) women and advocates using them as “cum receptacles.” He has said that women are good for nothing but to “service the cock and the casa.” And yet he denies being a misogynist.

If you are shy, there are other ways of overcoming this than learning PUA. PUA seems to dwell on the negative traits of human beings, and it can suck you into a vortex of negativity, bitterness, and anger–none of which are qualities that are attractive to women. You may think Roosh and his cohorts have it all figured out and are living large, banging lots of hot chicks. But you should keep in mind that 90% of what you read on the internet is bullshit. These PUA types are prone to exaggeration–remember, Roosh earns a living by selling game books. His entire blog is nothing but an advertisement.

Dracula
Dracula
8 years ago

…Cliff’s continual insistence that treating women like human beings is some kind of magic…

Never actually said or implied. It’s not magic, it’s just how non-coercive human interaction works.

…because for shy men that’s a necessary but not sufficient first step, and PUA is the only 18-step program for that sort of issue.

First step: Treat women like human beings. Second step: Do the exact opposite.

Seriously, who the fuck do you think you’re fooling?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Treating women like people isn’t that magic that unlocks their knickers. There is no magic way to get women into bed – the only sure way to make that happen is rape, which as we’ve seen you have no real problem with.

Also, you realize that your presence here actually makes PUAs look worse than whatever imagine a random reader already had, right? I know you have no self-awareness, but really – reading your comments makes most people’s flesh crawl.

Dracula
Dracula
8 years ago

Treating women like people isn’t that magic that unlocks their knickers.

And for that matter, anyone who thinks it isn’t really doing it in the first place. Something Eurosabra seems to have a hard time understanding.

Dracula
Dracula
8 years ago

*it is

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

It is kind of funny how he views every interaction with women through the lens of “will this get me access to her vagina?”, and doesn’t understand why everyone keeps saying he doesn’t treat or view women as people.

If fuck vending machine does not vend on command, insert cheat code. If that doesn’t work, rape.

Eurosabra
Eurosabra
8 years ago

I tend to think of abusers as men who wield power to get what they want. I don’t experience myself as having power in general, although certain women in particular seem to be interested, so therefore I can’t be an abuser. Nor do women generally behave around me as they did around the male minor celebrities and models populating the city. I have seen so many men who never have to work at getting women, who simply TAKE what is offered (but only to THEM, almost never TO ME until I LEARNED first how to ask and then, later and more effectively, how to persuade.)

I am not at all shy, not anymore. I do have a problem of running roughshod over women who may quietly like me (as noted above) but that’s because there’s no discernible difference between that and polite interest in being friends and I want the rush of being desired, which almost never happened without Game.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Nice rationalization, but nobody’s buying it.

Dracula
Dracula
8 years ago

I tend to think of abusers as men who wield power to get what they want. I don’t experience myself as having power in general, although certain women in particular seem to be interested, so therefore I can’t be an abuser.

Load of bullshit. Abusers lie, manipulate, and use such tactics as oh, say, GASLIGHTING to get what they want.

…how to persuade.

…mild gaslighting…

fembot
8 years ago

Persuading women to sleep with you? Gross.

Dracula
Dracula
8 years ago

You really, really need top stop assuming that A) we’re all fucking stupid and B) we can’t remember the shit you’ve said in the past, Eurosabra.

burgundy
burgundy
8 years ago

How do you get a rush out of being desired, if you first have to persuade someone into it? That doesn’t seem like genuine desire to me. I also find being desired a very pleasurable thing. There have been times when I thought that desire was genuine, and it turned out it was not, and that felt terrible (I should note that neither of those times involved someone manipulating me to get laid – one was a sexual encounter that was part of an on-going relationship, where I thought she was in the mood and it turned out she was just placating me, and another involved someone I had recently started dating who was trying to convince himself that he could be happy with someone who wasn’t his physical “type”. But anyway).

Some things in life are not fair. I’ve had friends who get hit on almost constantly, and for a long time I was painfully jealous of them (despite the fact that there were definite downsides for them, like an increased level of harassment, often from the same people). There are several things one can do – change the aspects of oneself that seem to be getting in the way, so that one becomes more appealing, change the population one spends time with, etc. I am now active in a community in which what I bring to the table is considered quite attractive, and I have more partners and want-to-be partners than I ever dreamed possible, and none of it required me “persuading” people that they desired me. And while some people are attractive to fewer people than others, based on what I’ve seen, no one is too ugly to find a partner, provided they go about it the right way. That’s really not an excuse.

Eurosabra
Eurosabra
8 years ago

They are people, but with identifiable patterns and preferences which mean that unless I work to stay on message, I won’t get a sexual or romantic partner, ever. It’s fun seeing how stereotyped and mechanical a woman’s rejection of my overture is when I’ve gone out of my way to be witty and inventive, they are *rejection machines* and no matter how great I am, I’m the 7th guy that hour in that bar to be witty and inventive. (There were of course the 3 who were neither, also within the same hour. And 2 who groped her.) And I think a large proportion of women get off on rejecting men.

red_locker
8 years ago

Swear to god, Eurosabra is like an arcade vending machine of awful. Seriously, if that is how you deal with rejection, dude…then I need to hurry up and see a therapist, because I’ve been rejected, and yet…I’m not using PUA or being a dick (not that I know of…am I being a dick, people? I don’t know if I have enough self-awareness if my last social fuck up is any indication), I’m just wallowing in depression because it compounds some self-esteem problems, social anxiety and possible obsessiveness I have to deal with myself (SURPRISE, MOTHERFUCKA, NOT EVERYONE IS A SHITBAG LIKE YOU, AS MUCH AS PEOPLE FUCK UP SOMETIMES).

…also, plenty of abusive people can attract folks in some ways, that doesn’t make them not awful. Don’t act like the few moments of interest from other people cancels out your bullshit. That’s not how Ethics work.

burgundy
burgundy
8 years ago

Or maybe after 7 guys in an hour hitting on them, women just lose their patience? I know I would. I’m not into any kind of bar or club scene, but I’m guessing there are people in any given location who are not actually looking to hook up. (And hey, maybe if you met people in places where you’re not the 7th person in an hour, things would be different? It’s like you’ve carefully constructed your social life so that you can claim you have no other options other than what you’re doing, but that’s really not true.)

Eurosabra
Eurosabra
8 years ago

Yes, PERSUADE. Charm exists and I’ve managed to display it and have it valued by others on occasion. Shocking, I know.

Dracula
Dracula
8 years ago

I’m not using PUA or being a dick (not that I know of…am I being a dick, people?

Nope.

red_locker
8 years ago

“They are people, but with identifiable patterns and preferences which mean that unless I work to stay on message, I won’t get a sexual or romantic partner, ever.”

Dating is not a video game. This is not a Bullet Hell shump. Stop this rationalizing bullshit.

Dracula
Dracula
8 years ago

And Eurosabra, nothing about what you just said tells me you think of women as people. Just the opposite really, it tells me you’re unable to even conceive of women as individuals at all.