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F*ck funnels, raw dogs, and garbage receptacles: Roosh on Romance

So, yeah, I’ve been reading some more Roosh.

Just a little FYI. It’s probably not a good idea to take dating advice from a dude who writes shit like this:

Your fuck funnel is the series of steps you take from the approach all the way to sex. Most girls will drop out as they go through your funnel by losing interest, declaring they have a boyfriend, flaking out, throwing up, or a multitude of other reasons that prevent sex. This means that for ever one girl you fuck, you have to approach a lot of girls. This is the basic law of averages, where no man fucks every girl he interacts with (even serial rapists have a failure rate).

Or this:

The best sex I’ve had was from mediocre girls who let me treat their bodies like garbage receptacles.

Or this:

I could probably have raw dog sex with 95% of all white girls, regardless of socioeconomic background. I only have met one girl that was super serious about using condoms, but I eventually fucked her without a condom too, so actually I change that to 100%. I could bang every white girl who lives in the United States without a condom if I desired, within three dates. I’m not kidding. I could do most of them raw dog on the same night. Here’s how to do it. ….

At this point our intrepid dating guru explains his clever Assange-esque (allegedly) method for convincing women to have sex with him sans condom, which involves repeatedly sticking his condomless penis into his dates until they stop resisting.

Note: He followed this post with another one about how terrified he was that he might have contracted HIV.

Oh, Roosh, is it entirely by coincidence that your name rhymes with “douche?”

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MollyRen (@MollyRen)
8 years ago

Kladle, you just made my day. Men’s Rights guys are using a word trademarked by a TRANS PORN STAR! 😀

ozymandias42
8 years ago

:DDDDD

Buck Angel is about ten thousand times cooler than the coolest MRA.

liberationislife
8 years ago

I hope his dick drops off.

Seranvali
Seranvali
8 years ago

Just when I think we’ve figured Roosh out he says something So Much Worse. I’m not even convinced that he understands that the women he talks about are actually human beings.

pecunium
8 years ago

Oh Varpole!: One of these things is not like the other.

Dude, is just a word. The intent is to be sardonic, or friendly, or descriptive. It offends you, because you don’t like to be sardonicised. You think it’s because you are a man: this is not true. It’s because you are a douchecanoe.

Mangina was made with the intent of being an insult. An insult meant to say that some men weren’t worth of being called men; they had failed their sex, they were like women.

That’s the reason it’s a gendered insult.

pecunium
8 years ago

Aw… Kirby, you are more detested than I am. He can’t even bring himself to talk me anymore.

Shadow
Shadow
8 years ago

it is a unique term coined by – I’m not sure – an early MRA, perhaps Angry Harry.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, maybe true under the bridge you call home, dude, but for the rest of us, that’s been around a long time.
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hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

flip-flop-wearing sluts.

I love my flip-flops, and if it keeps dudes like Doosh away, you can pry them off my cold, dead, feet.

heidihi
heidihi
8 years ago

I would like to add my voice to everyone wishing you well, @aworldanonymous; you are a good person in word and internet-deed, so i’m predicting excellent things and hoping that you get everything you want out of the experience 🙂

Also, i love that Kirby (and others) have already begun the work on reclaiming the word ‘mangina.’ Perhaps Steele would like to take note and start reclaiming ‘dude,’ the vile m-feminist slur against all men everywhere.

ozymandias42
8 years ago

Steele reclaims “dude.”

No one notices.

whataboutthemoonz
8 years ago

“accidentally-clicked-on-too-many-related-videos-on-youtube-now-I’m-lost-in-a-dark-and-scary-part-of-the-human-psyche.”

I always end up in the weird part with the animals having sex/being born/doing cute things/being geniuses/making the wrong animal noises.

eline
eline
8 years ago

Oh we’re talking animals having sex? Here’s my favourite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhVi4Z6CjZk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
It’s just as weird and wonderful live, and happening right about now in your neighborhood at night. Highly recommended spectacle of nature.

ostara321
ostara321
8 years ago

Late on this, but I also wanted to wish aworldanonymous a happy university transition. And as others have said, don’t ever be afraid to ask for help, whether it’s from professors, student affairs, health services, wevs. Particularly your student affairs office (or campus affairs/campus life/student life/residence life, whatever your campus office calls itself) if you have any trouble adjusting – those folks’ jobs are all about helping you make the most of your experience. Also, don’t be afraid to ask for help from your librarians! It might sound silly, but it’s a hard lesson I didn’t even really learn until grad school – proper research really makes whatever paper or assignment you’re working on go so much more smoothly.

Good luck!

SticksAndPucks
SticksAndPucks
8 years ago

While i’m not a fan of the crude language, I don’t think the “sales funnel” approach to dating is inherently wrong.

We all meet people (top of funnel), become friends with some (middle), have intimate relations with a few (bottom).

Whats the harm in being more social and getting more people into the funnel?

KittehServant
KittehServant
8 years ago

I’m probably asking something that’s been gone over long since, but it occurs to me to wonder if there’s any evidence that this Roosh creep and all the other PUA clowns have ever had sex with anyone except their own hands. I admit I do not intend to read his blog – why should he get any more hits from me, and why should I depress myself reading just how much yet another man hates women? But he gives the distinct impression of some total loser sitting in his parents’ basement and spouting all his fantasies online. He could be an actual rapist, of course, but what I’ve seen quoted could also be really pathetic fantasies … I hope they are.

Gainsbourg69
Gainsbourg69
8 years ago

Those of you worried about Roosh acting his rape fantasies out on real women can rest easy knowing that whatever he says is just an act designed to sell boring books about banging women abroad to highly impressionable nerds. Like ninety nine percent of PUA gurus, Roosh doesn’t have to prove that he gets laid in order to develop a readership. His readers just assume his stories are true because what he writes appeals to them. As far as his readers are concerned, just imagine NWO slave attempting to talk to a woman. That should give you an idea of how far away any of these morons are from hooking up with any one from the opposite sex. As pathetic as it sounds, the only thing these guys are good at is lying to one another about who is nastier to women on their little internet forums.

katz
8 years ago

Whats the harm in being more social and getting more people into the funnel?

Nothing wrong with the “being social” part; the issue is how the funnel model implies that sex is the goal and that any other outcome (eg, friendship) is a failure. That’s just using people.

KittehServant
KittehServant
8 years ago

LOL David that says it all!

Actually ‘tubular thing with Roosh at the end of it’ sounds like an S-bend to me …

SticksAndPucks
SticksAndPucks
8 years ago

Katz, as long as everyone involved is consenting, how is it using people?

Sex is a goal. And so isn’t friendship and to some marriage, and maybe a white picket fence with two kids and a dog.

indifferentsky
8 years ago

sticks…

“and that any other outcome (eg, friendship) is a failure.”

Not only were the next few words of what Katz said invisible to you, but obviously this whole topic is. In the PUA line of thinking and conduct and coercive techniques, the goal excludes the person. Also the issue of consent? Their techniques are because they don’t easily get that consent. They attempt to use psychological tricks to circumvent the fact that the targeted person does not want to consent. Does the targeted person consent to being fooled? Being an object to call names when the person does not get what they want? That’s what Katz is addressing, not two people having sex. Way to suck out all the context.

JustWonderin
JustWonderin
8 years ago

Hey, just curious, have any of you all ever read any Chelsea Handler books? She advocates/pokes fun at the same thing what roosh is talking about in this example, using guys for sex playthings, although her language is a lot more comical and less crude. Do you think there are different standards for guys and gals when it comes to being able to talk openly about these sorts of sexual topics that are often very sensitive by societal standards?

SticksAndPucks
SticksAndPucks
8 years ago

Indifferentsky,

I was strictly talking about the concept of a dating funnel, not every stupid tactic and ploy made by PUAs.

Also, I specifically took it out of context. I can agree that some PUA tactics are manipulative, but the idea of sorting people based on if they would make a good friend our lover isn’t a terrible idea. It’s pretty much how okcupid and pof work. A bunch of people sign up, take a non scientific quiz and they pop out people they think you would be a good match with. Hence a massive “dating funnel”.

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

JustWonderin – I’ve only seen her stuff in passing, but Chelsea Handler is incredibly annoying and I am not going to make you happy by saying “it’s cool because she’s a gal!” Chelsea Handler is incredibly not cool.

SticksAndPucks – The ol’ “some PUA is bad, but some of it teaches social skills!” argument is just… why not go learn social skills from someone who doesn’t hate women? You shouldn’t have to “just ignore the rapey bits” to get dating advice. There’s a glut of people offering not-even-a-little-rapey dating advice out there.

(Recommendation: DrNerdlove.com)

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Justwonderin gets my vote for most disingenuous handle today.

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

Also I missed the part where Chelsea Handler calls guys garbage dumps and encourages her followers to rape them.

Psyche
8 years ago

Didn’t one of Handler’s books (it’s probably the one of her one-night stands, but maybe the Are You There, Vodka? one?) involve some really creepy fetishization of black and Asian men?

Psyche
8 years ago

Not that I’m pointing that out to be all, “Look at this ladyperson doing bad things! SEXISM IS A LIE!” I was just trying to compose a post on why she is in fact not a good person, but realized I don’t have all the info I needed to heckle MRAs about failing at intersectionality even more severely than a lot of mainstream Feminism.

Cervantes
Cervantes
8 years ago

I guess my big problem with you guys criticizing Roosh is that many “nice guys” with hidden sexual agendas have the same thoughts and feelings regarding women, it’s just that Roosh is one of the very few who very openly discusses his viewpoints. You guys are targeting the wrong crowd.
I really doubt that any of the women he has sex have any hangups about one-night stands. Many of the women I have sex with have no hangups about one-night stands, and some of them have boyfriends and husbands.

Eurosabra
Eurosabra
8 years ago

Because) PUA is fun, and more directly addresses the issue of men who can project desire (beg, plead, whimper) but not masculinity (“How YOU doin’?”) and who have already identified this as their major failing, i.e. they have to “make the move”, because women won’t. The problematic bits depend on whom you listen to, and are easily avoidable as soon as you give up the conceit of knowing a woman’s mind/desire better than she does. Dr. Nerdlove, like Amanda Marcotte, prefers men use the Eunuchs Operating System(tm).C’mon out here and lure men away from PUA with a free system that “works better”, i.e. is more likely to connect them with compatible women over fewer attempted connections. Oh, right, you can’t.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
8 years ago

lure men away from PUA with a free system that “works better”

You must mean the “talk to women like they’re human beings” system? Because that’s so difficult that you just shouldn’t bother, right?

(And I say that as someone who sucks at talking to people at the best of times, let alone when I have a crush).

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
8 years ago

Who says we have hangups about one night stands? Our problem is with people who abuse, manipulate and degrade others to get dates or sex.

Bostonian
8 years ago

It is not the women he has one night stands with we are concerned about. We are more concerned that he admitted to raping women. And we did not forget that Erosabra also regularly posts rape apology either.

One night stands are fine. Raping women is not.

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

If “works better” is defined as “gets you laid more reliably,” then systems that involve manipulation, pressure, coercion, and outright rape will “work better.”

However, if you’d like to have slightly less sex in exchange for being a decent human being and actually having a human connection with your partners, you may be interested in the “talk to women like they’re human beings” system.

eline
eline
8 years ago
Reply to  Cervantes

No, one-night-stand hangups aren’t the problem. There’s plenty of men and women having fun that way without negative feelings. But these gurus aren’t offering any new groundbreaking advice. The little I’ve read seems to be rapey advice for men and instead telling women they should save themselves for the one guy, get married “before their sexual market value runs out” yada yada yada… the same old same old that’s been repeated for millennia by now. It’s not liberating anyone, but I guess the few decades of attempts at sexual freedom got some men (and women) to forget how things were before.

BlackBloc (@XBlackBlocX)

If “works better” is defined as “gets you laid more reliably,” then systems that involve manipulation, pressure, coercion, and outright rape will “work better.”

I think that’s ceding PUAs too much ground, just like liberals who argue against torture going “well you’re right it will get us truth out of terrorists faster, but it’s WRONG”. Well, I don’t even agree with their argument that it’s working in the first place.

They’re salting the ground as they go. The first girl they manipulate into bed, everything is fine. But girls talk. It’s not a sustainable strategy. They have some ways to try to counteract it (they target young women, which is a replenishable pool, and they tend to try and invade new social groups regularly) but eventually it’s all going to crumble down on their face.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Oh, right you got us–it’s totally the one nights stands that are the problem, not the rape. Jesus fucking Christ.

ozymandias42
8 years ago

I’ve, uh, had one-night-stands. I don’t think one-night-stands are immoral. I think rape is immoral, and it certainly says something about you that you believe there’s no way to get a one-night-stand besides rape.

Also, I’ll hook you up with a free system that works!

1) Talk to people you’d like to date.
2) Ask them out.

Eurosabra
Eurosabra
8 years ago

Again, false choice, but thank you for the dogma. I don’t know why they want to be known as rapey badasses, but it apparently helps their street credibility. On the other hand, it is good to know what aspects of oneself are likely to be found attractive, how to present them, and (the original problem) how to come across as attractive when one has previously absorbed too many negative messages.

pecunium
8 years ago

Eurosabra: Right. I’ve never gotten laid. The women here who say that what they want is different from what you are saying is, “the way”.

You are not all men.

You are also begging the question.

pecunium
8 years ago

Cervantes: I guess my big problem with you guys criticizing Roosh is that many “nice guys” with hidden sexual agendas have the same thoughts and feelings regarding women, it’s just that Roosh is one of the very few who very openly discusses his viewpoints.

You’re big problem is that your argument is shit. Saying that lots of people share Roosh’s viewpoint doesn’t make it right. Lots of people think that immigrants are shiftless, and stealing jobs from “real americans”. It’s not true, and lots of people being wrong together is just that, being wrong together.

Sixty million Frenchmen can be wrong.

I really doubt that any of the women he has sex have any hangups about one-night stands. Many of the women I have sex with have no hangups about one-night stands, and some of them have boyfriends and husbands.

He says he pressures women to do things they told him they didn’t want to do. That’s the problem. It’s not that he has one night stands, it’s that he takes advantage of them. It’s that he says taking advantage of people is moral.

fembot
8 years ago

I thought the whole point of PUA was to trick women into putting out by lying to them and/or pretending to want a relationship. Once the woman puts out, the man vanishes, on to the next. Roosh seems obsessed with just collecting notch after notch, and not really caring about the experience, just going for the notch. I guess once he hits a magical number he will feel like a real Alpha male. 😉

pecunium
8 years ago

Eurosabra: Again, false choice, but thank you for the dogma. I don’t know why they want to be known as rapey badasses, but it apparently helps their street credibility. On the other hand, it is good to know what aspects of oneself are likely to be found attractive, how to present them, and (the original problem) how to come across as attractive when one has previously absorbed too many negative messages.

Their Street Cred? Who do they need “Street Cred” with? I don’t give a shit what other men think of me. I don’t really care what other women think. I care what the women I am interested in think. So far, I’m doing pretty well.

I’m not batting 1.000, but I’m not striking out all the much either. If I were doing PUA, I’d be a lot less happy, because I’d be failing, more often that not. I’d have unreasonable expectations of being able to get someone in the sack a lot more often than I’d be able to.

Because no one, but no one, manages to get someone every time; when they are on the prowl.

So me, I’ll take being one of the men you sneer at.

red_locker
8 years ago

@ozymandias42 Hey, now, it’s not a system unless it comes with a bunch of crappy books, overly long blog posts, and seminars. 😉

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Eurosabra, being thought of as a rapey asshole is not sreet cred, it’s a colossal red flag.

Eurosabra
Eurosabra
8 years ago

Very likely true, most of the men happy with the lighter forms of PUA (Juggler/Mystery/Swingcat) were rich, tall, and good-looking to begin with, most of the scrappier ones (TylerDurden/Krauser/Ross Jeffries) were farther from the ideal and needed to put more energy into the interaction and be more persistent.

MollyRen (@MollyRen)
8 years ago

There’s a PUA called Tyler Durden? Could you be LESS original?

red_locker
8 years ago

@Eurosabra

Um…high economic status or not, what they’re doing is still not only immoral, but harmful for oneself in the long run.

Eurosabra
Eurosabra
8 years ago

Again, it’s not sneering, it’s a cobbled-together solution to a local subcultural/sociolect issue, treated as prescriptive for all humanity for all time because that’s what sells. For men whose initial issue was their lack of masculine self-presentation/lack of confidence, it can be useful training wheels.

red_locker
8 years ago

@MollyRen

Oh my god, I missed that.

Did this Tyler Durden run a soap company, Eurosabra? Super curious.