So, yeah, I’ve been reading some more Roosh.
Just a little FYI. It’s probably not a good idea to take dating advice from a dude who writes shit like this:
Your fuck funnel is the series of steps you take from the approach all the way to sex. Most girls will drop out as they go through your funnel by losing interest, declaring they have a boyfriend, flaking out, throwing up, or a multitude of other reasons that prevent sex. This means that for ever one girl you fuck, you have to approach a lot of girls. This is the basic law of averages, where no man fucks every girl he interacts with (even serial rapists have a failure rate).
Or this:
The best sex I’ve had was from mediocre girls who let me treat their bodies like garbage receptacles.
Or this:
I could probably have raw dog sex with 95% of all white girls, regardless of socioeconomic background. I only have met one girl that was super serious about using condoms, but I eventually fucked her without a condom too, so actually I change that to 100%. I could bang every white girl who lives in the United States without a condom if I desired, within three dates. I’m not kidding. I could do most of them raw dog on the same night. Here’s how to do it. ….
At this point our intrepid dating guru explains his clever Assange-esque (allegedly) method for convincing women to have sex with him sans condom, which involves repeatedly sticking his condomless penis into his dates until they stop resisting.
Note: He followed this post with another one about how terrified he was that he might have contracted HIV.
Oh, Roosh, is it entirely by coincidence that your name rhymes with “douche?”
*facepalm*
Thing is, if I try shared activities, like a Parrot Flossing class, the reply I invariably get is “Look, I’m only here to learn how to floss my parrot. Please do not disrupt my learning, as it makes my parrot hostile and he tends to peck.”
@Burgundy: so you found someplace you get lucky. Good for you. Unfortunately, I don’t like going places where my body would be fetishized, which is the only thing that immediately springs to mind, along with Rule 34. And I don’t think women in general like “intelligence”, “compassion”, or “humor”, unless it’s attached to excitement/dominance. Or rather the women who like it aren’t in ANY of the places I’m looking. Or you may snark and say that I don’t have those qualities, which seems de rigueur here.
As for rape, it’s really more of a horrifying abstraction, on the order of “who would do that? How is it even possible?” although one of my past partners is a survivor and we barely addressed the issue during the relationship because I knew I would be a horrible garbage train wreck about it if given the chance.
I have such a case of the creeps right now, and their name is Eurosabra. Dude, you may think you’re being charming, but I bet IRL the creep stank is coming off you to a degree that is visible to the naked eye.
Women don’t get off on rejecting men, but I bet they feel relief when they reject you.
“As for rape, it’s really more of a horrifying abstraction, on the order of “who would do that? How is it even possible?” although one of my past partners is a survivor and we barely addressed the issue during the relationship because I knew I would be a horrible garbage train wreck about it if given the chance.”
…so, you willingly sabotage yourself in relationships? Am I reading this right? You’re whining about women being “rejection machines”, yet you pull shit like this?
The thing isn’t to go to a Parrot Flossing class and immediately start trying to pick people up. The thing is to go to a Parrot Flossing class, learn how to floss your parrot, talk to other people about their parrots, and get to know them so that if, after a few classes, you say “hey, want to get coffee?” they are more likely to say “why sure, I would love to continue spending time with you!” People actually do this kind of thing, you know.
My ex is a very short, overweight, disabled woman of color. I won’t say she’s had no trouble finding partners, because it’s not as easy for her as it might otherwise be. But she’s managed to have up to 7 simultaneous romantic (and sexual) relationships, with people who don’t fetishize her. I know enough women who are not interested in dominance that your generalizations fall flat. You are creating false choices for yourself in order to justify your behavior. That’s like saying it’s totally ok to be a con artist, because some people are born rich and it’s not fair that you have to work for it.
Don’t think I can speak to “intelligence”, but as for compassion and humor, how the fuck would you know?
I think this is the only instance of genuine self-awareness I’ve ever seen you demonstrate.
Bullshit, bullshit, BULLSHIT.
This fucking guy.
Eurosabra, we’ve been over this before. Nobody here is a tipsy, club-hopping, twenty-two year old in a bandage dress and knock off heels. You don’t need to try this hard. You aren’t convincing anybody of shit. You are incredibly shallow, absurdly transparent, and -frankly- really gross and depressing.
I don’t know what you think you’re accomplishing here by offering yourself as a counter example of the rapey PUA represented by Roosh and others. But if I was a shy guy who actually read through your posts and the subsequent interactions on this blog?
I’d want to do my very best to avoid being you at any costs. Because between the pathological lying -and the complete lack of interest in any kind of relationship with a woman that might be sexually, intellectually and emotionally fulfilling- your counterexample just seems kind of shitty and pathetic.
Not every man -not even most men- think trolling nightclubs and trying to have one-night stands with women they don’t like is the height of fun, dude. Not past about 26, anyway.
To put that in perspective, I’ve been suicide-bombed twice and remote-bombed once, so those are not abstractions but I do have the attitude of, “Yes, it happens, that’s what ‘they’ do.” And I’ve seen people bombed by “our” aircraft and denied medical care by “our” checkpoints, and I feel the same passivity. “We” do the same. After a certain point, I tuned out. I’m just not a very moral person, I fear, but I’m more of a rude assho7e in a bar, I back off rather than scare or coerce anybody.
As for gaslighting, yes, I don’t volunteer the information that I’m very mental-illness interesting. I used the fact that one of my medications was an anti-convulsant to claim to be an epileptic, when in fact I’m more interestingly dysthymic. Women routinely left me as soon as they found out about the depression, so I built a life around concealing it and that served me well for years to do so.
You’re not a very moral person? I had no idea. Do go on…
Oh, no shit? Thanks for pointing that out, I never would have noticed.
You are such a transparent fucking liar. Dude, you are only looking for women in nightclubs. You aren’t interested in intelligence, compassion or humor. That’s why you don’t seek out women who have these qualities. You lack these qualities and you don’t value them in a potential partner.
Please stop trying to foist your bullshit off on women.
Game recognize game.
I like them just fine, it’s just that I get a lot of immediate, rude rejection. And I empathize, I’d hate to be seen as a target too, and I try my best to approach in an appropriate and friendly manner, just person-to-person. And “no” is a complete sentence, right? (I think one is still allowed to make one’s case, though.)
If you think that it’s still OK to keep up your pitch after “no,” you really don’t believe that “no” is a complete sentence.
Cut the shit–you’d love to be a target, but you aren’t, hence your weak sauce attempts at game and “mild gaslighting.” Do you think we’re that stupid?
I don’t have hobbies. Outside nightclubs, I’m at various professional-field-related events, doing what everyone else is doing, following up on the latest trends and querying potential clients. I do a few exercise-related things where the group are real devotees who discourage trying to get a date. I do have intelligence, humor, compassion and charm, but they haven’t served me that well unless accompanied by confidence, persistence, and a certain degree of chutzpah. I think learning to be assertively masculine is more valuable than merely having good abstract qualities or even displaying them, given women’s preferences in general.
Game recognize game and right now you looking real unfamiliar.
Even men who are relatively/very successful at meeting women in the predominantly superficial environment of nightclubs, eventually want to meet a woman and/or women with whom they connect on a level that goes beyond “Are we fucking or what?”
The fact that you don’t want these things is because: 1) you genuinely dislike women and 2) you genuinely dislike yourself. Stop trying to make this about women, and “rejection”, and bunch of other bullshit. Scroll up; you were just talking about why you like rejection.
Again, you are absurdly transparent.
Man, @eurosabra, you’re proving all of the stereotypes about Israeli men true, down to the anxious masculinity. Knock it the fuck off and go get some therapy.
Also, you have no hobbies? None? Nothing that you enjoy doing outside of work, working out, and skeezing on girls at the club? Your life sounds bleak.
Right, the absolutism. It’s never appropriate to ask someone if their decision could change sometime in the future, and under what conditions. That’s salesmanship, or excessive self-love, or entitlement, or something. “It is male, it is bad, u r doin it wrong.”
Intellingence without even a modicum of self-awareness isn’t worth very much. You are sorely lacking in humor and compassion. You may be able to present a reasonable facsimile of these qualities in some place with dim lighting and loud music. But you don’t have them. And you know that.
As for charm – no. Not a drop. Every time you interact with posters here you attempt to use the principles of PUA and it has never, not one fucking time, come across as charming. Not once.
Oh for fucks sake! Euro. I’m not the least bit surprised women won’t touch you with the proverbial bargepole. Think about how many PUAs and generally shitty attitudes towards women types there are. Women are quite capable of figuring out you’re one of them based on previous experience.
Christ! Its not like you’re the first whiny guy compalining about lack of sex to get a pity fuck you know.
I don’t enjoy much. I was let go as the most expensive (because disabled-ish) employee in ’08 and I’ve been running a sole proprietorship by the skin of my teeth (while wrapping up grad degree) w/not much health care and almost nil disposable income. The clubs (and sex) are where I feel ALIVE. I like food. I have a wonderful cat, and a nice video of her that I might be allowed to post sometime.
>>>why would Roosh bother “raping” women who weren’t willing?
Rapists are not people who are so hard up because they can’t find sex that they ‘have to stoop’ to rape. Rapists are people who like to rape, who get off on it. You might as well ask why a foot fetishist would bother sucking the toes of girls if he could get any girl he wants. Because the sucking of the toes (or the rape, for rapists like Roosh) is the part they’re looking for in the first place.
There is something odd about Eurosabra’s writing style. I can’t really understand half of what he is saying. I wish he would simplify.
Fuck you, pal. No it damn well isn’t appropriate to keep pushing someone after you’ve been rejected. It’s fucking sleazy and disrespectful. And it has fuck all to do with maleness, you weaselly little shit. Stop making excuses.