In yet another discussion of Arthur Goldwag’s latest post on the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Hatewatch blog (looking at MRAs bad-mouthing the men who lost their lives protecting their girlfriends in the Aurora shootings), longtime Men’s Rights Redditor Liverotto offers this intriguing take on what he sees as Goldwag’s motivations for criticizing the Men’s Rights movement:
Yeah, a dude actually wrote that, and a couple of people actually upvoted it.
I’m trying to understand the logic: Goldwag is growing older and more homosexual (do men usually become gay as they age?). But gay men age badly, which makes them mad at their “suitors.” So therefore Goldwag has come to hate the (mostly straight) men of the Men’s Rights movement?
Another highlight of the discussion: The r/mensrights regular who thinks I’m Paul Elam. No, really.
I distinctly remember reading the editorial pages in the ’60s. Did you miss out on that?
Because I’m lazy and want to go pour myself another frozen margarita:
Cherry Picking
OK, I didn’t think it would ever be necessary to point this out because it’s so obvious, but just because David is a journalist that doesn’t mean that this blog is journalism, or an example of his work as a journalist. This is a blog. It’s better written and better researched than most blogs because David is a journalist, but the fact that he’s a journalist doesn’t make this blog journalism – it’s still a blog. I’m a journalist too, and my blog isn’t journalism either.
So men are shallow, thus old gay men hate men. Nice homophobia/misandry/ageism combo, Liverotto!
Someone earlier asked about gay MRAs. Well, I just found this thread if anybody is curious:
Does anyone else here who’s bisexual just prefer to date guys?
It’s interesting. If it wasn’t for homophobia, some of these guys wouldn’t be pressured into dating the women they’re obviously not very keen on.
i’m not saying that bored guy is a paul-e sockpuppet (because for one thing, he doesnt show the requisite level of frothing rage). i’m Just Asking Questions.
Oh wait, maybe I shouldn’t drink another one, that doesn’t say what I thought it did.
Hell, Claire, why not have another one? Maybe if we all get drunk enough we’ll finally be able to communicate on the same level as the trolls, and thus their comments will make some kind of sense. It’s worth a shot.
Citation needed.
(Some of us started using computers when they were all DOS, dude. Some of us are probably older than you. Don’t give me this “back in the early days X was true” assuming nobody can argue with you based on age.)
Bored Guy is not the newbie he’s pretending to be, no.
Also, I think at this point I’d appreciate if people stop asking if there are gay MRAs. Yes, the MRM as a whole is homophobic toa degree greater than society as a whole, but that’s meaningless compared to preserving the extant privilege XD
I’d say it’s completely fair to associate comments on a blog with the author when the blogs are moderated, and the author routinely goes into the comments section to agree with folks or to ban/silence/comment against dissenting opinion… And I think David normally does a good job of making this distinction.
Oh, the cherry-picking accusation again, how novel.
Someone should compile all the MRA theories on again, they are truly funny.
^theories on aging. new headache meds, can’t brain today.
I’m sure bored guy is not new here, but anyone else getting a very familiar vibe from Azor Ahai?
GoT reference plus all the references to dude he thinks women think are hot.
Older women squee about Rudy Valentino. Just kidding, they’ve never heard of him; they also squee about Taylor Lautner.
I’d say it’s completely fair to associate comments on a blog with the author when the blogs are moderated
But a lot of blogs will let through anything so long as it’s not like illegal. Comments don’t reflect on the author of an article unless they specifically agree with them. However it could, if you’ve got over nine thousand in the space of a year, reflect kind of poorly on the group as a whole.
@ hellkell
(glances up at Azor Ahai’s comment)
Yep, sounds awfully familiar. Won’t be sure until he has a meltdown and calls someone a privileged princess, though.
Speaking of which, who knew that at nearly 40 I was a woman of the younger (visual) generation?
@Azor Ahai:
I had a lot more to that sentence that you’ve cut off percisely because I realize that moderated =/= everything is acceptable.
a voice for men is not one of those blogs
which is less important than the fact that david foster wallace was a hack
*precisely
@scrapemind:
I know we’ve been having this whole conversation about unclear sentence structure, and it’s long since past its prime… but COME ON!!!
Either “They’ve never/they’ve also never” or “They squee/they also squee.” Pick one! And if you preface the whole thing with “Just kidding,” you seem to say that you’re just kdding about the second clause as well.
You did this on purpose, you monster.
Older women squee about Rudy Valentino. Just kidding, they’ve never heard of him; they also squee about Taylor Lautner.
Well yeah, now they’ve been socialized the same way in the age of the female gaze. It’s also pretty creepy, Lautner is like 19.
@Azor:
Yeah… Imagine how creepy it would be if he was only 16, or 15. Or 12. That would be awful.
Don’t you mean cr**py?
I’m sure bored guy is not new here, but anyone else getting a very familiar vibe from Azor Ahai?
GoT reference plus all the references to dude he thinks women think are hot.
I don’t know what you’re talking about. But Azor Ahai is an ASOIAF reference, not a GoT one. GoT is just the first book, and it fits the first book, and does not fit the rest of the series. It’s sort of my pet peeve that everyone refers to it as “GoT” now. Plus, Azor Ahai hasn’t even been referred to in the show.
LOL at “age of the female gaze.” Azor, next you’re going to tell us there’s an epidemic of male disposability going on.
Oh, whatever. Stop splitting hairs, sockpuppet.