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Complementarian Loner: Contraception “puts the woman in the dominant position and she then determines when and under what conditions she will ACQUIRE his seed.”

Old School birth control

When I think about contraception, my thoughts generally run to things like this:

“Is this condom on inside-out? Oh, crap.”

“I guess IUD’s aren’t necessarily a good idea for some women unless they like bleeding from their vagina every day for six months.”

“Has anyone ever actually used a female condom?”

Over on Complementarian Loners, an MRA-adjacent “relationship” blog written by a couple of Catholic converts, the bitter divorced dude who calls himself 7man has some more, well, advanced ideas about contraception. By “advanced” I mean, of course,  “odd and terrible.”

He starts off with this proposition:

A man and a woman cannot develop a great relationship if contraception is part of it or if they met while she was using hormonal artificial birth control. REAL committed, trusting, exclusive sexual intercourse is essential.

Oh, it gets weirder from there:

Birth Control is a misnomer since this is her speaking through her body saying, “I control when I will give birth, not God, not a man.” It doesn’t require any respect for fertility since fertility is subverted. This puts the woman in the dominant position and she then determines when and under what conditions she will ACQUIRE his seed rather than being open to RECEIVE. (Is woman not a vessel?)

I’m pretty sure a woman is a person, dude.

Usually the contraception is done by the woman, it messes with her body; she blocks the ability to receive and the whole exercise becomes taking pleasure from the other. Of course, she can always lie about taking it or not taking it. This is in essence lying with the body. A man can lie too if he withholds his gift by vasectomy or by condom.

In his profile on the blog, 7man refers to his ex-wife as “BatShitCrazy” (apparently that’s just one word now), but I think she demonstrated some pretty clearheaded and rational thinking in getting herself away from a guy who can refer to his semen as a “gift” without giggling.

[I]t is women acting as succubi. And so the ultimate end of a failed attempt to block PROCREATION is abortion. After all, God surely did not do his part and create a soul for the life that she did not intend to receive, right? Does her hamster prevent God from fulfilling his part of creation? Not likely! …

I am left with the impression that subverting fertility may be just as much an abomination to God as is divorce.

I hope you mention that right up top in your Match.com profile, dude, because that’s the sort of shit women need to know right off the bat before they send you any misguided “winks.”

Oh, and apparently men and women can’t have good sex unless the man controls everything and the woman cannot leave:

Can men and women have what they so deeply desire (in a relationship) while withholding the central gift of self? Have Christians stopped to consider the word PROCREATION? We participate in the CREATION of God in our act of sexual intercourse. We assist in CREATION of a body, but God provides the soul. CREATION is intended to occur in conjunction with a COVENANT. Can intercourse be unitive if this element is totally removed from the act of marriage, in the one-flesh-union?

A COVENANT is an OATH, a BINDING and a COMMITMENT. This is more than a contract or a whim. The sublime pleasure of sexual intercourse cannot happen when such aspects are blocked. The kind of fulfilling sex that every person longs for and rarely experiences is also precluded when the woman endeavors to control the relationship. In order for her to feel the fullness of the union, she must be claimed in a COVENANT to one man PERMANENTLY.

I can only imagine Mr. 7man explaining all this very earnestly to his date as they munch on breadsticks at the local Olive Garden, after which the unfortunate woman excuses herself to go to the ladies room and, as soon as she is out of his eyesight, slips out the back door of the restaurant and literally runs the entire way home.

7man closes with this little puzzler:

[S]uccumbing to passionate desire is easier without the risk of pregnancy and therefore commitment is not essential prior to the parting of thighs. Does this ever turn out for the good?

Yes. Yes it does.

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ozymandias42
12 years ago

…I’m pretty sure the general consensus on Manboobz is vaguely pro-gun, although we have a lot of dissenters from that particular POV.

Do try to argue with the people who are actually here as opposed to the imaginary leftists in your head.

MorkaisChosen
MorkaisChosen
12 years ago

Hi, I’m a nonimaginary leftist. British, so the fact that my gun politics are more anti-shooty than you guys ain’t too surprising. 😉

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
12 years ago

@Ozy:

I’d imagine it’d be closer to say that the general consensus is “not anti-gun…” since pro gun seems to mean “is perfectly fine with everyone owning assault weapons and boxes of ammunition” these days in the states…

BlackBloc (@XBlackBlocX)

I’m of the opinion that gun control is just going to be irrelevant (like IP laws) in the coming decade considering 3d printers are on the verge of being a mass-market item and somebody just produced a design that allows to create a submachine gun for roughly 10$ worth of plastic.

MorkaisChosen
MorkaisChosen
12 years ago

… That’s fucking terrifying.

Rutee Katreya
12 years ago

Then follow up with why the Second Amendment was only there so rednecks can hunt ducks…

It was there because one of the founders of Merika wanted to have a ready pool of soldiers available in the form of a militia. Not that I really care what dead rich slaveowners wanted.

ozymandias42
12 years ago

Not anti-gun, then. 😛 But my point is that being all “you all hate the Second Amendment! Also rednecks*!” is kind of, um, a hilariously wrong prediction.

*DSC, got anything to say about that one? 😛

Rutee Katreya
12 years ago

The Ebon Dragon can be truthful, provided that being truthful is the surest way to fail.

BlackBloc (@XBlackBlocX)

@MorkaisChosen: I know, right? Throw away plastic guns for 10$.

Right now though the design needs one specific off the shelves part, the chamber. But the rest of the gun is 10$ of hardened plastic goop and reproducible by anyone with a 3d printer and an Internet connection.

MorkaisChosen
MorkaisChosen
12 years ago

Argh.

Rutee: He can do it, but I’m sure I remember him disliking truth and honesty. He is, after all, a hollow shadow…

Rutee Katreya
12 years ago

He hates winning more, though.

MorkaisChosen
MorkaisChosen
12 years ago

Agreed, of course. Sometimes he tells the truth, but he doesn’t like it.

(To be honest I think the Dragon’s more like an it than a he, accusations of being a miles-long black phallus aside.)

Falconer
12 years ago

Okay, ladysadie’s a passive-aggressive Galter.

The plastic gun printed from the Internet is terrifying.

But who the fuck is the Ebon Dragon, and why does he hate winning? I have missed a book or something.

Falconer
12 years ago

I mean, I could go google “Ebon Dragon,” but that would be boring.

I’d rather ask you guys.

MorkaisChosen
MorkaisChosen
12 years ago

*grin*

The Ebon Dragon, formerly the Dragon’s Shadow, is a Primordial, the embodiment of deceit and self-interest, and one of the chief architects of the Unconquered Sun- who he had created in order to have a nemessi against which to define himself.

In a more useful reply, we’re splurging RPGs all over the comments again…

BlackBloc (@XBlackBlocX)

>>Okay, ladysadie’s a passive-aggressive Galter.

You raised kids! You fail at Randian egoism, you pseudo-Objectivist *altruist*.

katz
12 years ago

Can I worship Bob Dylan? He sounds like a chill dude.

Or the ever-popular Church of the Ramones.

Satan is the only being in your mythology that has always been truthful

Hence Good Guy Lucifer.

Falconer
12 years ago

The Ebon Dragon, formerly the Dragon’s Shadow, is a Primordial, the embodiment of deceit and self-interest, and one of the chief architects of the Unconquered Sun- who he had created in order to have a nemessi against which to define himself.

Ooooo … kay. I might need it a bit more basic than that.

Googling “Ebon Dragon” gets me a few Magic cards, and a reference to Exalted. Is that the one?

That explains why I haven’t heard of him, then. I haven’t had much truck with White Wolf.

Falconer
12 years ago

I mean, I was specifically disinvited to the reindeer games in college when there was a Werewolf game going. I contented myself with being the AD&D guy.

ozymandias42
12 years ago

The Unconquered Sun is an Exalted thing, I think.

…See, I *was* paying attention when my best friend explained the game he was GMing.

MorkaisChosen
MorkaisChosen
12 years ago

Sorry, I was being deliberately obtuse there. Bad habit.

It’s the Exalted one.

(Much more interesting than shitty misogyny, right?)

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
12 years ago

Oh! We’re on RPGs again?

In that case, monkey bees.

MorkaisChosen
MorkaisChosen
12 years ago

OHMYGOD

MONKEY BEES

BlackBloc (@XBlackBlocX)

1st ed AD&D monster design: Pick animal 1. Pick animal 2. Mate.

You may also use any inanimate and self-evidently safe object and make it a monster that mimics its appearance. Because the mark of an intelligent adventurer is paranoia.

“There’s *sheets* on that bed? I MAKE A PERCEPTION ROLL! NOW!”

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
12 years ago

Yep. In the D&D books, there’s not only a monster that mimics chests, there’s a monster that mimics walls.

And one that mimics floors.

And one that mimics ceiling.

Ie. You’re fucked.

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