Recently, a nameless commenter here asked “What exactly is “rapey” about Pick Up Artistry?” The post below should help to answer that question.
Hey, fellas! Say you’ve applied some state of the art Pickup Artistry on some HB 10 (“hot babe 10”) and you’re about to add another notch to your “girls I’ve totally had sex with” belt – and she has the gall to tell you “no.” Should you be worried?
Pickup artist Roosh Valizedah (whom we were talking about just yesterday) says, er, no. Apparently “no” (when the word is uttered by a girl you are groping) is actually a variant of “yes.” Who knew?
While every feminist likes to repeat the phrase “No means no,” it depends on context. Here’s a guide:
“No” when you try to take off her jeans or shirt means… “You need to turn me on a lot more.”
“No” when you try to take off her bra means… “Try again in five minutes.”
“No” when you try to take off her panties means… “Don’t give up now!”
I find the only word that means no is “stop.” If you hear that word then she’ll be asking you to leave soon after.
So just filter out everything she says other than the word “stop” and you’ll be fine. Oh, and if she actually starts punching you, that’s also a clue that she doesn’t want to have sex with you.
For every rape accusation I’d want to know at what stage of undress the girl was at before the supposed rape happened. If she was completely naked until saying no, and got there voluntarily, then I’d be reluctant to charge the man with rape unless there were signs of violence.
Gals need to remember, Roosh explains, that once a man gets a boner he’s pretty much helpless. His innate biological drives require that he either have sex with you (if you’re willing) or rape you (if you are unwilling and remember to say “stop” as well as “no”).
Women need to understand that men aren’t robots who can suddenly stop at the drop of a dime with all that testosterone pumping through their system. Therefore it would be prudent for them not to enter situations where the average man can’t stop due to his innate weaknesses as an animal whose entire existence depends on him successfully mating.
If it gets to that point, Roosh advises the ladies, you should just try to enjoy the rape as best you can – like it’s some sort of carnival ride.
Every roller coaster has a point while chugging up that first hill where’s there’s no turning back and you just need to hang on for the ride. In other words, don’t let a man on your bed unless you’re trying to get it.
So, In Roosh’s world, woman who merely say “no” shouldn’t complain about being raped, and men are basically slavering beasts controlled by their penises. What a lovely view of the world!
Mike: “women only like jerks” is not right..you probably “like” many kind of people. But jerks are the only one getting your pussies wet. Am I right ?
Not being female, I can’t speak directly to this, but… either I’m a jerk, or there are more than a few women I can attest this wasn’t true for (some of whom I slept with, some of whom I didn’t, but I assume the propositions I declined were from women who found me arousing).
I’ve known a few jerks. Some of them have been pretty good at getting laid; not all of them were men (I recall one woman who had strong indica of being a jerk, if it weren’t for her actually having a string of hangers on, and others who were massively chasing after her I’d say the things I saw/experienced, were her engaging in PUA sorts of activities. I think they were just her trying to cope with a sudden influx of minor fame, but I was not impressed; She turned out to be a jerk, and was a royal asshat to a friend of mine).
We had a friend who was seeing a jerk. She put up with a lot of shit. He was also physically abusive. It came to the point, when she had told him never to come back (she was living with us at this point) that he did. That was the last time he came back to our house. I suspect my pointing a loaded rifle at his chest had something to do with it, but I was damned if him climbing in the window was going to happen.
That’s what I think of when I think of jerk. Not someone who is socially awkward, or a bit loud, or even moderately self-centered, but rather people who actually don’t give a shit about how other people feel. Who are truly careless of other people’s feelings.
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Since you asked, I lean toward femme-domme activities, which means men who get me wet are submissive, and often enjoy quasi-violent activities. I have no problem whatsoever finding men who enjoy these activities, with whom I can also carry a conversation. None of these men are jerks.
So no, jerks aren’t the only ones getting my pussy wet. Matter of fact, jerkiness is a one-way ticket to turning me off cold.
I admit, “women like jerks” is a tired cliche’. But what I’ve come to realize is that a persons sex appeal is independent of how they actually treat others. And this applies to all genders & sexual preferences. There are some jerks who treat women like dirt yet women still flock to them. But the reason women flock to them is not because they’re jerks, it’s because there are other traits they have which make them attractive.
Human sexual selection is like solvent chemistry. The rule of thumb for mixing solvents is like disolves like; and that’s kinda how it works with people: Like pairs off with like. When opposites attract, it’s because such people can afford to be superficial. Like celebs for
example.
As me and women are concerned, most women don’t find me attractive but there are a few that do. And what those few who do like me have in common is that they all seem to have aspie-like traits. They are always hyper-introverted, shy, and very private w/ obvious quirks….But I digress.
Nomless… What utter tripe. That’s all clever sounding, but it’s bullshit, covered in gold dust; it looks good, so long as one doesn’t get too close, but when examined, it’s still shit.
Um, dude, “private” and shy?” You’re a narcissist. Do you actually remember the original point of this thread? No? That’s because you won’t stop talking about yourself?
Oh I see…………Calling something bullshit automatically makes it false. Mind over matter much?
I suppose this is closer to true than “women just like jerks,” but it’s still trying to apply a sweeping generalization to something that is inherently deeply individual. Some people go for partners who are very much like themselves. Some people go for people who are very dissimilar to themselves. And most people, I suspect, go for people who are like themselves in some ways and unlike them in others, because there’s no conceivable way all human traits can be measured on one axis.
Just looking at myself and my current boyfriend, while we have many traits and interests in common, he is vastly more extroverted than I am, he’s confident where I’m shy, he has almost no interest in what I consider to be my vocation (he’s interested in me, so he will happily let me teach him stuff about what I do, but he freely admits that if he weren’t with me he wouldn’t care about it in the slightest), his childhood was nothing whatsoever like mine, our styles of humor are different, he has a very different body type, he comes from a different religious background, and he holds significantly different religious beliefs than I do. I’m pretty sure I didn’t go for him because I “can afford to be superficial” but rather because he’s awesome, and dating a clone of myself would be boring as hell.
The main problem here is that it isn’t that nice never works, it’s that nice isn’t ENOUGH. Seriously, just being a generally nice person is the bare minimum most people want, they also maybe want someone interesting or funny or with similar interests to them or good-looking or talented in some way.
I actually had a research psychologist explain to me that statistical data supports this. It doesn’t mean that people always go for some exactly like them, but that 2 people have certain key traits in common. For me, one of those key traits seems to be shared life experience as opposed to shared interests.
So.. does being a douchebag on the internet count as a “life experience”, or as an “interest”?
What these PUAs don’t get is that their macking techniques ONLY work if the person they approach actually finds them at least somewhat attractive. They think they can manipulate women into being attracted to them even if said women would normally find them repulsive. And yes, Roosh’s advice is beyond the pale.
SRSLY? Figure it out!
Since that’s all you offer for proof it’s true, we require no proof to make it false.
Right or wrong? If wrong, demonstrate.
Monsieur Trou de Cul, Est ce que tu pourrais nous donner un source propre pour votre information. Quand tu dis simplement que “Oh, tu dis que c’est la merde, mais ce n’est pas neccessairement la merde.” tu ne fais pas un contre-point propre, tu dis simplement qu’on ne peut pas prouver que tu dis les mensonges. Donnez nous votre preuve, et on te laissera seul.
This is AMERICA, dude! So speak english or STFU.
This is America? No it’s not. What a liar you are! This is internet, where if you take a French name you really shouldn’t be surprised when people talk French to you.
Phooey. I should have either chosen ‘this is THE internet’ or ‘this is internetopia,’ and then it would have made more sense.
A lot of the time nice is enough, but the crucial distinction is that you have to do nice things. “Nice” can’t just be a label you give yourself. It means actually helping and caring about others.
(“Nice” also does not mean “resentful doormat.” If you’re genuinely nice, you like to help and care about others, you don’t do it through gritted teeth.)
People who are really, genuinely nice can get dates on that alone. They can’t get a specific person to date them, they can’t get a guaranteed date in a certain time frame (these things are impossible anyway), but they totally can get dates for being nice.
And as the apple of xenophobia falls from the tree of self-absorption, there’s just enough time for a round of Narcissist’s Book Club.
Translation: I’m in England, you dumbarse, and the Internet is not your precious country.
Nomless: Nice try at deflection. You have it reversed… it’s false because it’s bullshit.
You are making universalist claims. Prima facie they are false. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You offered none.
That’s what makes it bullshit. It’s mutton dressed as lamb. You said a person’s sex appeal is independent of how they treat others, and that it applies to all genders & sexual preferences. That’s a claim which is falsified by any single instance to the contrary.
This thread has lots of contradictory testimony, so your claims of personal observation merely show that you have damn all skill at observing how people interact (I could be generous and ascribe it to confirmation bias, but your past statements lead me to think it’s that you are clueless as to how other people percieve things; see previous complaints about women who perceive, “harmless men, who aren’t doing anything” being wrong in feeling threatened).
The nonsense about solvent chemistry? Just that, nonsense. If you had worked to develop the metaphor you might have some sort of workable way of describing things, but no, you took a bit of pseudo-science, pretended reactive chemistry was like “personal chemistry’ and then expected us to just accept it, as is.
That’s the gold dust on the bullshit.
@HowardBann1ster, i think that “This is Internet” is totally acceptable, at least according to the Morning Show.
@Mister Without Name: “Mister A-hole, are you able to give us a proper source for your information. When you simply say “Oh, you’re saying this is bullshit, but it’s not necessarily bullshit” you are not making a proper counter-point, you are simply saying that one cannot prove that you are telling lies. Give us your proof, and we’ll leave you alone.”
@aworldanonymous, do i get a passing grade? 🙂
This is AMERICA, dude! So speak english or STFU.
Say the dude who was demanding a late medieval phrase be given to him in ancient egyptian, and wondered why no one used the greek (pro-tip, late medieval aphora rarely have parallel greek phrase).
More to the point… this isn’t AMERICA dude!, it’s the internet, so get over yourself.
Also, America has no official language.
Phooey. I should have either chosen ‘this is THE internet’ or ‘this is internetopia,’ and then it would have made more sense. – howardbann1ster
It’s alright, i’ll just imagine that you’re Gerard Butler in 300.
THIS. IS. INTERNET! 😛