Recently, a nameless commenter here asked “What exactly is “rapey” about Pick Up Artistry?” The post below should help to answer that question.
Hey, fellas! Say you’ve applied some state of the art Pickup Artistry on some HB 10 (“hot babe 10”) and you’re about to add another notch to your “girls I’ve totally had sex with” belt – and she has the gall to tell you “no.” Should you be worried?
Pickup artist Roosh Valizedah (whom we were talking about just yesterday) says, er, no. Apparently “no” (when the word is uttered by a girl you are groping) is actually a variant of “yes.” Who knew?
While every feminist likes to repeat the phrase “No means no,” it depends on context. Here’s a guide:
“No” when you try to take off her jeans or shirt means… “You need to turn me on a lot more.”
“No” when you try to take off her bra means… “Try again in five minutes.”
“No” when you try to take off her panties means… “Don’t give up now!”
I find the only word that means no is “stop.” If you hear that word then she’ll be asking you to leave soon after.
So just filter out everything she says other than the word “stop” and you’ll be fine. Oh, and if she actually starts punching you, that’s also a clue that she doesn’t want to have sex with you.
For every rape accusation I’d want to know at what stage of undress the girl was at before the supposed rape happened. If she was completely naked until saying no, and got there voluntarily, then I’d be reluctant to charge the man with rape unless there were signs of violence.
Gals need to remember, Roosh explains, that once a man gets a boner he’s pretty much helpless. His innate biological drives require that he either have sex with you (if you’re willing) or rape you (if you are unwilling and remember to say “stop” as well as “no”).
Women need to understand that men aren’t robots who can suddenly stop at the drop of a dime with all that testosterone pumping through their system. Therefore it would be prudent for them not to enter situations where the average man can’t stop due to his innate weaknesses as an animal whose entire existence depends on him successfully mating.
If it gets to that point, Roosh advises the ladies, you should just try to enjoy the rape as best you can – like it’s some sort of carnival ride.
Every roller coaster has a point while chugging up that first hill where’s there’s no turning back and you just need to hang on for the ride. In other words, don’t let a man on your bed unless you’re trying to get it.
So, In Roosh’s world, woman who merely say “no” shouldn’t complain about being raped, and men are basically slavering beasts controlled by their penises. What a lovely view of the world!
..real life.. – Me
Gah, speaking of saying stupid things. 😛 I’ve been trying to stop phrasing things like this because I do find it annoying when people separate “real life” and “the internet”, like interactions on the internet are somehow not “real”.
No!
My partner can be a bit of a jerk sometimes. This generally leads to me glaring at him, rather than “oh god take me now you stud”.
I generally get turned on when he treats me nicely.
Every time I hear “women like jerks”, my brain translates it to “a specific subset of women won’t fuck ME!”. It’s mostly sour grapes and it’s annoying.
A guy is not a jerk if he:
– respects a woman’s boundary and doesn’t trample or skirt up to that boundary
– takes no as an answer without manipulating the situation for a “yes”
– takes time to get to know a woman and pays attention to her interests
– is assertive and straightforward, and doesn’t do things because he can use it to manipulate a woman into doing what he wants
If some dude wants to convince himself that the shitty way he treats women is something women want, of course he’s free to do so – but that doesn’t mean that other people will buy it.
Plus, there’s an xkcd for that!
Your brain is malfunctioning then.
Shorter Mr. Trou de cul: My third hand observations and pithy cultural aphorisms trumps your personal experience as a woman.
Nomless has lost it. He used to try, he’d put up some semblance of an argument. NOw it’s just attempts to rile the crowd.
Hey, off topic completely, but I know a lot of people here are good at languages. Anybody fluent in Spanish?
@Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
That’s the one with the Russian alphabet, right? 🙂
Sorry, but seriously I am somewhat fluent in Spanish. I might be able to help you.
Heh. How would you say “sleep” as an imperative?
The women you want to fuck don’t want to fuck you. You are not entitled to sex with anyone. If they don’t want to fuck you, move on to the next one. Do what women are constantly told to do….change your standards. This Nice Guy rant that women only like jerks is stupid. No group is a monolith. Men are not all the same. Women are not all the same. Seriously, are you five years old, that you have to have this explained to you?
@Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
That would be “duerme”, I believe.
Mind you, that could change depending on who is being told to sleep. So some context might help.
Okay – context is a hypnotist is trying to knock someone out, by ordering them to “SLEEEEP!” MST3K style; only to be informed that his subject only speaks Spanish, and so he should have yelled:
@Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
In that case “duerme” is indeed the correct option.
Thanks!
@Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
You’re welcome.
Wow, Mike and MSM, thanks for letting me know that i married a secret jerk! Boy won’t my hubs-band be surprised when i get home!
Heidi: Guess what, babe? You’re a jerk!
Him: ???????
Oh wait. Eff you, for calling the man i love a jerk, you jerk. (And no, I don’t like you any better now.)
Oh and also @ShadeTheDruid, i always enjoy your comments too, and you come across very charming on teh internetz. 🙂 and this coming from a person known for being a social butterfly, for what it’s worth!
Women only like jerks? What incredible bullshit. My boyfriend is a wonderful person. He’s spent the last week sending me little texts, some of them sweet, some sexy, many telling me how much he misses me. He’s also been trouncing me at long-distance Scrabble, but my day will come. OH YES, MY DAY WILL COME. Anyway, after his four-hour drive home, he’s planning to make us a special hey-I-missed-you-but-I’m-back-now dinner, followed by cuddles and Star Trek.
On my part, I’ve been taking care of his kitty cats, bringing in his mail, and eating the food he bought for me. I woke up early this morning for some last-minute cleaning because I think he’d appreciate it if the place was nicer when he came back than it was when he left. I also put on some new underwear that I bought while he was away, because I think it’s sexy and I think he’ll agree. I’ve missed being sexual with him almost as much as I’ve missed just being with him, period.
These are just regular, everyday things people do for their partners. No agenda, no manipulation, just love and mutual attraction.
heidihi: Thanks! 😛
Sorry if tmi on the underwear thing. I just wanted to address the ridiculous idea that women can only be attracted to men who treat them badly.
The MRA/Nice Guy whining about “girls liking jerks” (because that’s not creepy at all- to refer to women as “girls”) kind of reminds me of people who act like abusive relationships are NORMAL, only from the point of view of the abuser.
“Oh, I have to beat her up, call her names, and treat her like utter shit! After all, her boobies and vagina WANT that kind of treatment.”
Sounds utterly ridiculous when you actually come out and say it, ya know?
Actually, Nanasha, on that note–
My last partner was a total jerk. He was a jerk in ways that still touch me a year and a half later. (Woke up sobbing from an ex-themed nightmare the other day. Goooood times.) But anyone who would look at that as my failing — and, by extension, the failing of all women everywhere — for liking the wrong kind of man, instead of his failing for being a terrible human being, is a pretty fucking terrible human being themselves.
No.
This has been another edition of Simple Answers To Stupid Questions.
2-D Man: I think you are generally correct in the assessment. There are types of speech which are “incitement”, and as such can be actionable. The entire purpose of a lot of the white-supremacist writings is to be both inspiring of, “lone wolves” and distant enough from direct encouragement (a la Berges, “if ‘x’ then ‘y'” formulations) so as to get a desired result (people attacking the gov’t/abortion clinics/liberal politicians/judges who have overseen trials and sentenced people, etc), while not being legally responsible.
There are lines, but they pretty much require actively engaging in the action, in some way (though I think the present conspiracy laws are overbroad, esp. in the way that responsibility attaches).