Recently, a nameless commenter here asked “What exactly is “rapey” about Pick Up Artistry?” The post below should help to answer that question.
Hey, fellas! Say you’ve applied some state of the art Pickup Artistry on some HB 10 (“hot babe 10”) and you’re about to add another notch to your “girls I’ve totally had sex with” belt – and she has the gall to tell you “no.” Should you be worried?
Pickup artist Roosh Valizedah (whom we were talking about just yesterday) says, er, no. Apparently “no” (when the word is uttered by a girl you are groping) is actually a variant of “yes.” Who knew?
While every feminist likes to repeat the phrase “No means no,” it depends on context. Here’s a guide:
“No” when you try to take off her jeans or shirt means… “You need to turn me on a lot more.”
“No” when you try to take off her bra means… “Try again in five minutes.”
“No” when you try to take off her panties means… “Don’t give up now!”
I find the only word that means no is “stop.” If you hear that word then she’ll be asking you to leave soon after.
So just filter out everything she says other than the word “stop” and you’ll be fine. Oh, and if she actually starts punching you, that’s also a clue that she doesn’t want to have sex with you.
For every rape accusation I’d want to know at what stage of undress the girl was at before the supposed rape happened. If she was completely naked until saying no, and got there voluntarily, then I’d be reluctant to charge the man with rape unless there were signs of violence.
Gals need to remember, Roosh explains, that once a man gets a boner he’s pretty much helpless. His innate biological drives require that he either have sex with you (if you’re willing) or rape you (if you are unwilling and remember to say “stop” as well as “no”).
Women need to understand that men aren’t robots who can suddenly stop at the drop of a dime with all that testosterone pumping through their system. Therefore it would be prudent for them not to enter situations where the average man can’t stop due to his innate weaknesses as an animal whose entire existence depends on him successfully mating.
If it gets to that point, Roosh advises the ladies, you should just try to enjoy the rape as best you can – like it’s some sort of carnival ride.
Every roller coaster has a point while chugging up that first hill where’s there’s no turning back and you just need to hang on for the ride. In other words, don’t let a man on your bed unless you’re trying to get it.
So, In Roosh’s world, woman who merely say “no” shouldn’t complain about being raped, and men are basically slavering beasts controlled by their penises. What a lovely view of the world!
“Hi! Do you know about vampire watermelons?”
And then don’t do anything without invitation.
What’s that you say? You want an example of shitty personality?
Meet Mr Nameless. He has a personality that could send any woman running away screaming within approximately 3 minutes.
Perhaps I’m too optimistic to think that some bitter, angry “radical” feminist hasn’t blogged about how the 1959 rock’n’roll song “Love potion number 9″ is somehow advocating date rape. What I truly think is that it bothers a lot of women that geek/unattractive guys just *might* figure out how to succeed in hooking up with women and getting laid.
Ahhaha, classic! “Why are you getting upset about the crappy things PUAs are doing? I’m sure they’re great guys underneath, and they’re just joking, and they didn’t really mean it, and they probably aren’t raping that many women. You ought to be upset about these imaginary things feminists might do that I just made up! Sure, nobody’s actually done these things! But they COULD! Isn’t that AWFUL?”
This is why nobody buys the “I’m not a misogynist, I hate everybody” schtick, hon. And why girls won’t go out with you. It’s not because you’re a poor underappreciated nerd and girls are dumb old meanies. It’s because you would be crappy to them, and they know it.
RE: RAPE IS JUST A ROLLERCOASTER ANALOGY-
First of all, fail.
Second of all, if you want to make a better analogy, imagine this if you will.
Let us say that in our society was made up of theme parks. You’re around roller coasters all the time. Everyone goes on about how fun it is, and yet, at the same time, if you are female, you are inundated with FRIGHTENING STORIES about ride operators who actively TRY and disable the safety mechanisms on the roller coasters when women decide to ride them- in fact, this is a well known problem that everyone “knows” about but for some reason there is no real way to “prove” it unless the person is caught in the act by several witnesses and a policeman. There are laws against sabotaging roller coasters, but these operators, well, they’re just too devious and figure out ways to make it sound like it was all just a “malfunction” caused by the fact that women have breasts, and you, know, breasts make things malfunction because they push on safety harnesses too much or something.
And the worst thing? Everyone would rather believe that when said sabotage incidents happen and a woman flies out of her safety harness and plummets to her death or breaks a ton of bones in the fall, or is ragdolled around desperately trying to hold onto her seat while the coaster is going and sustains significant trauma both psychological and physical, that it is LIKELY THE WOMAN’S FAULT.
So, if you’re a woman and you decide to ride a roller coaster, you have to deal with the social perceptions about women and roller coasters (ie: if you get hurt, it’s your own damn fault, even if it’s being actively sabotaged by a woman-hating ride operator), and even when it’s fun and you don’t get hurt, that’s pretty much the thing you’re thinking about as you get strapped in for the ride and go up that first big hill.
And that’s the thing, you can ride the same roller coaster a hundred times without incident, but if the operator of the ride changes to a different person or the operator becomes angry and vengeful, you can still end up being chucked out of your seat at 75MPH.
And then men, who have never had to worry about being actively targeted, tell women that they’re just “too sensitive” and accuse them of “not wanting to have fun.” Of course, everyone KNOWS that the odd man here or there has fallen victim to the same sort of sabotage, but everyone comes up with excuses, platitudes, or even “well he deserved it because he should have been strong enough to hold the safety harness in place while the ride was in motion.”
A surefire way to make anything that is fun and enjoyable into something frightening and stressful is to include a lot of predators who are good at pretending they are benign who do their best to blend in before going in for the kill, and a society that generally tries to make excuses for the predators when they eventually predate on others.
99% of my nightmares about the guy who raped me involve us being at a social event and everyone telling me that I have to be “nice” to him and “play well” and allow him to be around me, and their subsequent disgust and anger when I freak out and try and get away from him, all the while he’s pretending to be all friendly and “oh why is Nanasha so crazy?” while everyone laughs at my “craziness.”
He knows he got away with raping me. He knows he could rape me again if he got me into the right situation, especially if he used social groups as a way to corner me. And the thing is, pretty much everyone around me will say it’s my fault, and say it’s also me being the fucked up one if I don’t “play nice” when he’s around.
I hate how guys who are willfully assholes use asperger’s (in other people, of course) as an excuse for why women don’t fuck them.
Studies have found that the idea of having testosterone “pumping through your veins” actually causes far more aggressive behaviour than actually having increased levels of testosterone. So you can have very low levels and psych yourself into this testo-rage, but wouldn’t notice much difference if someone gave you a dose without you explicitly knowing you’re getting T.
Maybe you PUAs just need to stop psyching yourselves about imaginary testosterone and you will have less problems controlling yourselves. Will also help in court where they probably won’t buy these pseudoscientific hypotheses your gurus forcefeed you.
pointing out your dumbass motivations isnt countertrolling
I don’t use it as an excuse for why I don’t get laid, I only bring it up as the reason I’m scared shitless to talk to people in real life.
I’m hearing some variations of that “Nice Guy” ™ whine, “Why do women have sex with jerks when they should be having sex with meeeeee!” On this thread, which is terrible, because the topic was about dudes who promote rapey behavior. These hypothetical geeky/nerdy/dorks who are allegedly great guys but just socially awkward — and maybe not conventionally handsome, always find their way to these threads to insert themselves into the center of the universe.
Listen, women are people, women are people, women are people. We can’t fix you either; you have to do that yourself….pop culture is lying to you….we don’t want to give you a make-over then go to the dance so you can show your friends how awesome you are.
Just be decent.
@aworldanonymous, well, just let me say, i think you do a great job talking to people in this space, as far as i’ve seen.
How is giving men advice that directly leads them to commit a felony not a crime in and of itself?
EXACTLY!
Women like jerks. This is well known. “Nice guys” need to toughen up, grow a pair, and learn how to be assertive and dominant. Women are people and I’ve said before, people can’t be fixed. Yeah yeah, you can argue all you want about how people aren’t hardwired and how they’re socially conditioned, blah blah blah…….But at the end of the day that’s exactly how they behave so it’s really a moot point.
You’re right. It’s not countertrolling(on your part), it’s just retarded.
Ok, M. sansnom, someone says ‘just be decent ‘ and you say, “Exactly! Women like jerks.” I suspect you might have missed their meaning a bit.
“@aworldanonymous, well, just let me say, i think you do a great job talking to people in this space, as far as i’ve seen.”
Seconded.
Mr. No Name — didn’t you get told once already today that “retarded” is ableist language and not okay? Try learning something.
I have a song for Om Nom.
“Women seem wicked, when you’re unwanted.” Some guys eventually figure out the mental process behind this and outgrow it, and others become sad bastards who troll feminist blogs.
Oh man Cassandra, that Doors’ song is a truly a classic.
There will always be outsiders, and hopefully not all of them are men.
Oh dear.
http://kristinhoppe.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/xmissing_point.jpg
M. Sans Nom, Coeur ou Cervelles (Soulinge “cervelles”):
Cut it out with the abelist crap.
Even someone like you ought to be able to understand why that’s not acceptable.
Bullshit. None of the men I know who I would consider “jerks” is able to make a relationship work (and if the men I’m thinking of weren’t family I would avoid them completely but I have to put up with them at family functions) and in general they end up with partners who are also jerks. All the guys I know who are truly nice people have no problem finding people who are interested, many are in stable long term relationships. My boyfriend is certainly not a jerk, he’s an incredibly sweet, considerate guy and also a sadist which would be pretty dangerous if he was a jerk. I wouldn’t get involved with someone who didn’t respect my limits and values consent with the sort of activities I enjoy.
I’ve never understood why people keep spouting the whole “women only like jerks” line- as far as I know, women, like most people, like to date interesting people who they find attractive. Many people like the qualities of assertiveness (not aggressive/domineering), but that does not a jerk make.
Generally, a jerk is a person who doesn’t care about others, treats people unkindly, and generally doesn’t have much beyond sheer aggression to offer. Many people will step around a jerk so as not to anger the jerk, but that doesn’t mean they are respected. And many people mistake jerks for people with charisma, etc (of course, after a short while, it’s pretty obvious). Most people don’t actually *LIKE* jerks, much less want to be in relationships with them. Young heterosexual women tend to be more susceptible to dating jerks, but that’s mainly just because most young women are groomed to be compliant and submissive to others’ requests (which is why girls tend to do better in public school settings than boys).
And, of course, there’s the heterosexual “Nice Guy” definition of “jerk”- i.e.- any guy who is having sex with the woman they want to be fucking.
@aworldanonymous
Hugs if you want them. I’m not socially inept (though there was a time I kinda was) but I do get anxious in big groups, namely because I feel out of place and don’t know what to say. And I’m especially anxious with men I’m interested in, so much that I can’t speak to him normally and never let my interest be known because I just assume he wont be interested. So I definitely sympathize but also second what heidihi said.
Anyway, that’s all I wanted to say and I’m too lazy to participate in this thread at the moment lol
MSN fella…..you were attempting sarcasm, right? But not very well, yes? Otherwise…..you read my post and twisted the actual meaning to make some kind of point that those of us with actual reading comprehension skills can’t understand.
” And, of course, there’s the heterosexual “Nice Guy” definition of “jerk”- i.e.- any guy who is having sex with the woman they want to be fucking. ”
I’m thoroughly convinced this is what every Nice Guy means when they say “jerk.” It’s just shallow hate someone that you think should have been you (and with Nice Guys, also that person for not picking you instead). It’s really not hard to see who’s really the jerk in this scenario.
I’m thoroughly convinced from reading Roosh and Roissy that when they say, “Women like jerks,” they mean, “Women like men who make them feel anxious and insecure, choke them, and mock the downtrodden. Don’t you dare take women’s advice and empathize with someone. You’ll have failed their test and revealed your weakness, and they will hate you for it.”