Recently, a nameless commenter here asked “What exactly is “rapey” about Pick Up Artistry?” The post below should help to answer that question.
Hey, fellas! Say you’ve applied some state of the art Pickup Artistry on some HB 10 (“hot babe 10”) and you’re about to add another notch to your “girls I’ve totally had sex with” belt – and she has the gall to tell you “no.” Should you be worried?
Pickup artist Roosh Valizedah (whom we were talking about just yesterday) says, er, no. Apparently “no” (when the word is uttered by a girl you are groping) is actually a variant of “yes.” Who knew?
While every feminist likes to repeat the phrase “No means no,” it depends on context. Here’s a guide:
“No” when you try to take off her jeans or shirt means… “You need to turn me on a lot more.”
“No” when you try to take off her bra means… “Try again in five minutes.”
“No” when you try to take off her panties means… “Don’t give up now!”
I find the only word that means no is “stop.” If you hear that word then she’ll be asking you to leave soon after.
So just filter out everything she says other than the word “stop” and you’ll be fine. Oh, and if she actually starts punching you, that’s also a clue that she doesn’t want to have sex with you.
For every rape accusation I’d want to know at what stage of undress the girl was at before the supposed rape happened. If she was completely naked until saying no, and got there voluntarily, then I’d be reluctant to charge the man with rape unless there were signs of violence.
Gals need to remember, Roosh explains, that once a man gets a boner he’s pretty much helpless. His innate biological drives require that he either have sex with you (if you’re willing) or rape you (if you are unwilling and remember to say “stop” as well as “no”).
Women need to understand that men aren’t robots who can suddenly stop at the drop of a dime with all that testosterone pumping through their system. Therefore it would be prudent for them not to enter situations where the average man can’t stop due to his innate weaknesses as an animal whose entire existence depends on him successfully mating.
If it gets to that point, Roosh advises the ladies, you should just try to enjoy the rape as best you can – like it’s some sort of carnival ride.
Every roller coaster has a point while chugging up that first hill where’s there’s no turning back and you just need to hang on for the ride. In other words, don’t let a man on your bed unless you’re trying to get it.
So, In Roosh’s world, woman who merely say “no” shouldn’t complain about being raped, and men are basically slavering beasts controlled by their penises. What a lovely view of the world!
Thanks you. My therapist says I’m technically no longer traumatized, so I’m taking steps towards talking about what happened.
I’ve never been able to confirm it, but I believe he was abused in some way as a child. Obviously, most people who are abused grow up to be perfectly normal, but I think his case was one where he was never given an opportunity to adjust properly.
He was also addicted to internet pornography, which we were talking about in the other thread. I don’t think the consumption of porn automatically leads to such things, but in a case where a young man already had issues with interpersonal relationships, and no foundational knowledge for healthy sexuality or gender roles, I think an unhealthy obsession with (presumably) bad porn contributed significantly to some of his ideas about sex.
Obviously, he’s still a terrible person, and nothing excuses what he did. I just think there are some contributing factors.
That’s great. Congratulations! And I’m always happy to listen.
Glad to hear you’re… recovering, I suppose is a reasonable word for it?
You do realize that the song “Waiting on the World to Change” by John Mayer wasn’t describing an effective method to change the world, right?
You’d have a better chance of getting him locked up for poor dental hygiene. It’s the price one pays for non-criminalized speech.
Ah, the Scott Adams defence. “I’m not the kind of asshole who would promote rape. I’m just the kind of asshole who would think that promoting rape is funny. So calling me an asshole is totally unfair.”
Roosh does not strike me as smart enough to pull that off. I think he’s just a rapist with a blog.
Well, I have PTSD, so I don’t really know wtf to call it. Recovery sounds good, I guess, but it’s kind of complicated.
But yeah, I’m definitely doing better now than I was two years ago.
Also, Roosh is terrible.
whataboutthemoonz, I’m glad you’re doing better.
Thank you.
That’s good to hear… so to speak…
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so to speak….
There’s nothing positive about it whatsoever. And it almost makes me wonder about the true intentions of this guy……….But I do find it hard to believe that he isn’t aware of how this post can and is being interpreted.
As for prison rape goes, if you rape someone(innocent), why should you deserve to be treated better than you treated your victim?
Pretty sure that not all PUAs, or even PUA *gurus* advocate this kind of behavior whatsoever. Seduction itself is not about rape. It’s about making someone want to sleep with you and voluntarily give their consent. Perhaps I’m too optimistic to think that some bitter, angry “radical” feminist hasn’t blogged about how the 1959 rock’n’roll song “Love potion number 9” is somehow advocating date rape. What I truly think is that it bothers a lot of women that geek/unattractive guys just *might* figure out how to succeed in hooking up with women and getting laid.
I think Spider-Man is real.
whataboutthemoonz: There’s a reason the best word I could find for it is the one that implies it’s a continuing process, I suppose…
What about whoever’s commiting the prison rape? Why should they be allowed to continue raping people? A rapist being punished ‘merely’ by incarceration in return for another rapist not carrying on raping people sounds like a great idea.
(I also don’t agree people should be punished by rape even if you didn’t need a rapist to do it, but that doesn’t seem like such an obviously strong argument for general use.)
No, what bothers a lot of women is that ROOSH IS GIVING RAPE INSTRUCTIONS.
Cripes. Don’t play like you can’t read. The issue here isn’t “they might get laid.” The issue here is “they might get ‘laid’ after a woman said no, because they’re convincing each other that ‘no’ isn’t real.”
“What I truly think is that it bothers a lot of women that geek/unattractive guys just *might* figure out how to succeed in hooking up with women and getting laid.”
If you’re a geek, your odds of sleeping with me are much, much higher than the normal population.
If you’re someone who doesn’t respect boundaries, your odds of sleeping with me are 0, unless you’re a rapist.
Really, it’s not that hard.
And you’re a rape apologist too, lovely. If a person rapes someone(innocent or not, it doesn’t fucking matter) they should be locked up, they shouldn’t be raped too. That’s not how justice works.
Seriously, what the fuck? Does he think we’re terrified ugly guys will “trick” us into having sex with them?
Hugs to Cliff and whataboutthemoonz; I’m glad you’re both doing well enough to talk about your awful experiences publicly.
MSN, what do you mean, “interpreted?” It’s not a question of interpretation. They guy is straight out justifying rape. He’s not a troll; he believes this shit.
I’m on a mission to replace cats with teacups pigs as far as internet cuteness goes.
SRSLY, GAIS. TEACUP PIGGIES.
http://minipig.freevar.com/images/cute%20teacup%20pigs-3.jpg
Yeah, I get that, hence my certain value of “positive” comment.
The most generous reading one can give Roosh is that he’s not a rapist, but some asshole giving really rapey advice for shits and giggles. And you went right for it.
And of course he knows how it can be interpreted. And he also knows that he count on idiots like you who say shit like “She just regretted it in the morning.” to cover his tracks.
because ‘he hit me first’ is a conception of justice most people grow out of around age five
fucking duh
he means he’s throwing out bullshit to avoid having to admit he’s got no clue what he’s talking about. i thought that was clear.
Nice, Nomnom. David should definitely set you and Ruby up on a playdate.
Also,
? Is it ‘raped’? I almost can’t believe there are people who think there is an inexorable march from ‘kissing’ to ‘whatever I want to do to you’ and their partner CAN’T stop at any time. Ugh.
If you really think prison rape is OK as an extralegal punishment, a.) you suck, and b.) have you met Ruby? You two are gonna get along great.
@whataboutthemoonz
Watch out! You’ll break the Internet! 🙂